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[aeonlifestream]

I do

People honestly need to grow up, stop attacking the company and wait until the clarification DLC comes out in the summer. It amuses me to no other end that people write off the entire company for releasing a bad ending (I thought it was so so, just confusing, not the greatest ending ever). You aren't entitled to anything. Stop whining and deal with it.

[FemmeShep]

If what was said is true, and Casey and Mac wrote the ending by themselves without the input or peer review of the writing staff...

Why should I feel sorry for him? If anything, I feel sorry for the rest of the writing staff. They wrote Mass Effect as a collaboration. And in the end, two guys decided to end the game on THEIR terms. They had their own artistic vision, and went with it.

The fans, the writers, everyone, had to go along with the vision of two people. SO why would I feel sorry. IMO it's nothing bug ego that drove those endings. Had he shown the rest of the staff that ending, I do not think it would have made it to the final cut. It would have been changed, or outright struck down. 

That's why you have peer review sessions. To get others take on an idea. To get different perspectives. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 06 avril 2012 - 06:59 .

[katamuro]

Well he turned his back on us first. There is really no reason for us to feel bad for responding to his failure to keep his word. Of course the people who tell him to go die are wrong. Just saying that telling him that you think he failed is ok.

[UrgentArchengel]

No sympathy for liars. Should've treaded lightly with the promoting.

[AndreasShepard]

aeonlifestream wrote...

I do

People honestly need to grow up, stop attacking the company and wait until the clarification DLC comes out in the summer. It amuses me to no other end that people write off the entire company for releasing a bad ending (I thought it was so so, just confusing, not the greatest ending ever). You aren't entitled to anything. Stop whining and deal with it.

You have pretty low standards.  Just saying.

[Rickin10]

aeonlifestream wrote...

I do

People honestly need to grow up, stop attacking the company and wait until the clarification DLC comes out in the summer. It amuses me to no other end that people write off the entire company for releasing a bad ending (I thought it was so so, just confusing, not the greatest ending ever). You aren't entitled to anything. Stop whining and deal with it.

It amuses me, that you completely ignored the reason so many people are p*ssed at Hudson: his catalogue of lies.
Oh, and yes, when you make promises about a product and break them, you are very much 'entitled' to call them on it.

[Menalaos1971]

aeonlifestream wrote...

I do

People honestly need to grow up, stop attacking the company and wait until the clarification DLC comes out in the summer. It amuses me to no other end that people write off the entire company for releasing a bad ending (I thought it was so so, just confusing, not the greatest ending ever). You aren't entitled to anything. Stop whining and deal with it.

"Summer" could mean late September, or 5 1/2 months from now.  If we instead convince them to create the Ending content they actually marketed to us then they can spend those 5 1/2 months making that instead.  If, in late September they release their "etended cut" and it completely fails to actually clear up any of the glaring plot holes, then those months were wasted.

And as I touched on, we want the ending we were SOLD.  All of the pre-launch marketing talked about the impact of player choice on the ending, how we the players would be the architect of our own endings, how widely the endings could vary based on our decisions across all three games, etc, etc.  This is the product we chose to buy, but not the product we were given.  This is why we are upset with the current ONE ending.  This is why clarifying that one ending is insufficient.  This is why we don't want to wait 5 months for clarification.

[MustacheManatee]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

It's so sad because Casey Hudson was on his way to becoming the next Shigeru Miyamoto, a true legend in the game industry. Mass Effect 2 was so incredible and Mass Effect 3 was going to be his masterpiece, but then the ending ruined everything and now Casey Hudson must be so sad.

He needs our moral and emotional support, not our scorn!

New Endings involving player choice = moral, emotional, AND financial support

Simple as that.

[FemmeShep]

Shigeru would never say: lots of speculation!

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Not. one. bit.

Why would I feel sorry for this arrogant liar and his overblown ego?
Apparently every decade needs it's own John Romero and Hudson sent his application...

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 06 avril 2012 - 07:32 .

[Menalaos1971]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Not. one. bit.

Why would I feel sorry for this arrogant liar and his overblown ego?
Apparently every decade needs it's own George Romero and Hudson sent his application...

LOL!  Is Casey Hudson the Peter Molyneux of the 2010's?

[RogueBot]

Nah, he has a good job. And I'm sure he's smart enough to know that the ending as it currently exists would ****** off the majority of fans, but did it anyway, so I'm sure he can handle it.

[PSUHammer]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

He and Bioware have worked so hard to appease angry fans with the ending.  He even went so far as to make the clarification DLC free but now everyone is being so mean to him.  It must feel so terrible to have your fans turn their backs on you even though you try so hard to win back their support.

Well, I don't feel BAD.  But, I am disappointed in the vitriol that people spew over a video game.  There are fans on this forum and online that are just hateful and immature.  These guys (devs) have families and are trying to make a living providing entertainment.  The amount of entertainment they provide (30+ hours per $60 game) is the best value out there, in my opinion.

They also open up forums for direct fan interaction.  You have to think that they would expect vitriol from people incapable of dealing with their emotional responses and lashing out, but WOW.  With what happened to the DA writer and with some of the crybaby whining I have seen over ME things, it is a wonder they just don't shut forums and twitter feeds down and work off the grid.

I don't feel bad for Casey as he has created an awesome IP and most fans (I like to think) are rational.  But, if I were them I wouldn't feel pressured to change my creations on a whim.

[Vasparian]

aeonlifestream wrote...

I do

People honestly need to grow up, stop attacking the company and wait until the clarification DLC comes out in the summer. It amuses me to no other end that people write off the entire company for releasing a bad ending (I thought it was so so, just confusing, not the greatest ending ever). You aren't entitled to anything. Stop whining and deal with it.

Are you dense or just unable to read?

[Chaota Vos]

I feel bad for him. His bum must be very burnt, what with his pants being on fire and all.

[Kyanos1a]

In a word No. He made his decisions to make such a craptastic ending. Then continued the decline with all the lies to fans. He doesn't deserve any sympathy and should be responsibly for his decisions.

[NubXL]

Nope. He ran the series into the ground and relentlessly lied to sell the game. No sympathy whatsoever.

[Irishkev]

No I don't feel sorry for him.

He lied and was caught for it. It is called false advertisment

False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions.

Here are some of the lies he told 2 months before the game came out and the game was so complete they could work on the DLC ash to ash ( so ending was already done at this point)
1)about war assets play a big part on the ending.
2) Difference races make a difference to the final mission
3) The rachnoi play a big role in the final mission if you have them.
4) 16 very different ending dpending on your chocies

I am sure someone could do a better list but here is some

Now I don't know who did the offical last mission the EARTH mission but my god that was so lacking I am expecting a DLC later or something to expand on that but maybe I am wrong but ending first

Modifié par Irishkev, 06 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[xPandaHunterx]

Blatant lies, and a statement by one of the writers that it was him that came up with the ending and forced it on the rest of the writers.

No. No, I don't feel sorry for him.

If I'm correct, he is not showing his face at PAX. I hope the fans there finally end all of this stonewalling crap.


Nothing less than a full apology from Mr. Hudson is required for all of the lies that were told.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

aeonlifestream wrote...

I do

People honestly need to grow up, stop attacking the company and wait until the clarification DLC comes out in the summer. It amuses me to no other end that people write off the entire company for releasing a bad ending (I thought it was so so, just confusing, not the greatest ending ever). You aren't entitled to anything. Stop whining and deal with it.

"Summer" could mean late September, or 5 1/2 months from now.  If we instead convince them to create the Ending content they actually marketed to us then they can spend those 5 1/2 months making that instead.  If, in late September they release their "etended cut" and it completely fails to actually clear up any of the glaring plot holes, then those months were wasted.

And as I touched on, we want the ending we were SOLD.  All of the pre-launch marketing talked about the impact of player choice on the ending, how we the players would be the architect of our own endings, how widely the endings could vary based on our decisions across all three games, etc, etc.  This is the product we chose to buy, but not the product we were given.  This is why we are upset with the current ONE ending.  This is why clarifying that one ending is insufficient.  This is why we don't want to wait 5 months for clarification.

Thank you!  Did any of us put a gun to Hudson's head and force him to lie?  If not then there is no reason why we should trust him.  We didn't force Bioware to lie and we did not force them to take our money so we are not the bad guys here.

Bioware lied to trick us into buying a product they knew was bad it seems to me there is a word for that and that people are allowed to press charges when it is don to them....I wish i could remember that word...I think it starts with an F....Oh...Yeah...Fraud...and I just checked and customers do have a right to complain when they are victims of it.

Don't let Bioware get away with this,Hold the line as long as it takes to make them live up to their word and remember these lies.

Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”

I don't know about you but I have never let a company lie to me and then get more of my money with out making it right first.  What kind of human would stand for that? I have too much self respect to let them get away with this.

[Vlad1113]

The Witcher 2 Extended Cut is out free on the 17th. Hours of gameplay, audio an improved ending.

What can you say a tiny company who got their start buying an old engine from Bioware who end up out doing them in the PR stakes.

[oblique9]

 Not sure if another thread so personal as this is good for the cause... But I'll say that I don't feel sorry that there has been lots of crititicism of Bioware lately.

I played all 3 games too... I know lackluster writing when I see it...

[Duzaman7]

Nope. Not in the slightest. He got exactly what he wanted, and now he has to deal with it. Maybe next time they should peer review and hire testers that actually played the first 2 games.

[Zulmoka531]

Nope. He's an artist, remember? He should be reveling in his artistic glory right now!

Snarkiness aside. I perfectly understand wanting to do something, and when you do it and it's received negatively, that it crushes you. I AM sympathetic, but I am not sorry.

When you put yourself out there like that, you need to take it from all sides, and roll with the punches. Especially, when you are working with a multi-million dollar company.

[metawanderer]

I feel sorry for him and the rest of Bioware. While playing through ME 1 & 2, I was hoping other game developers will catch on to what Bioware is doing in making a sequel where your consequenes will affect the next game in the series. Mind you ME wasn't the first to do that & Bioware wasn't the only one who did that but they were the biggest in the gaming biz. Because of the internet backlash I worry that there will be less games like the Mass Effect series and more 4-8 hour First Person Shooters in the future (which I am not a big fan of).