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#151
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Steve2911 wrote...

RebelByDesign wrote...

I hope that when they bring up multiplayer the fans bring it back round to the lie about us not needing to play MP to get the "best" ending in SP.

We have enough grievances to cover any topic you want to discuss, BioWare.

Wait, what? That was true... At which point do you need to play MP to get the best ending? The EMS bar can be easily filled with GR at 50%.


Filling the bar doesn't matter. You can do that easily.  The bar means nothing.
You need to continue getting MORE EMS.  This is even explained in Jarret Lee's sticky.

You need to get 5000 EMS (thus 10000 points worth of war assets before 50% readiness cuts that in half) in order to get the highest achievable ending.
You CAN get it with 4000 EMS, but there is a very specific requirement... you must have 'saved' Anderson from getting shot a second time by TIM.


Some people thought they just meant the 'green' ending to be the 'best' ending, but that has already been confirmed by other EA/Bioware employees as untrue.  They say we can easily get over 5000 EMS without multiplayer, facebook, or iOS apps.

This is simply not true with the version of the game we were shipped.
Research has been done, and the code has been dissected by many intelligent players.

At the moment that many war assets DO NOT EXIST in the game we bought.

For a reference, most players who had near 'perfect' import playthroughs from ME1 and ME2... who also did all the DLC available.... and completed every available quest and scanned every planet..... get around 7200 TOTAL war assets, give or take.
I got a bit more, others get a bit less.
Diving into the game code confirms this.

Even if you played PERFECTLY through all 3 games (poor PS3 players) and completely disregarded roleplaying for the sake of making EVERY decision for the maximum available war assets...

.... you might get close to 7500.

With the default 50% readiness, that gets cut in half and you get around 3750 Effective Military Strength (EMS).

That's still 500 war assets shy of getting the 'breath' scene (more than some entire species fleets).
And that's only if you 'save' Anderson.

Yet they say we can easily get 5000?

I'm sorry, but that means we are somehow missing 2500+ war assets from our completionest full import playthroughs.

SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE!


As I've said before.... I don't want to call them liars.  I have a hard time believing, even now, that they would honestly tell us that we can get 10000+ war assets in Single Player alone if they didn't think that it was possible or did it themselves.

Which leads me to believe they are playing a different version.  Some pretty substantional content must have been cut from the final release that they weren't aware of.... or perhaps they are factoring in SP DLC we don't yet have?

Or possibly the war asset values were bugged and that some should be worth a lot more than they are now.


Either way, they NEED to be made aware of this... especially with DLC coming out that expand the endings.
Once that happens, a lot more people are going to want to see the ending where Shepard supposedly lives.
They will play without multiplayer and not get that ending, no matter what they do.

I hope they get ahead of this problem... but for the moment, they will only tell us we are wrong. :(

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I wish there was a stream for the DA panel but these tweets should suffice.

Now I just have to wait patiently for the ME panel. :(

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Ilzairspar wrote...

Please god just let us be respectful... no lynchings to make us look bad.



Agreed.

A "torches and pitchforks" mentality will do us no good.

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Jsun ‏ @jsunakasully

I have a feeling that they'll request to keep questions spoiler free, but all anyone wants to talk about is the ending. #ME3 #PAXEast

LOL

Modifié par Baldurs Gate Fanboy, 06 avril 2012 - 08:09 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Next patch announced, to be released next week:
blog.bioware.com/2012/04/06/4270/


I noticed some of those issues, one issue that  Ican't see there is one  Igot with Vanguards gettign stuck in roofs and walls :P It hapend to me a few times :(  It's uncommon but it can hapen. I know this kind of ability the biotic leap and similar abilities in other games have created similar issues.

Least it's good to see they are fixing bugs. Hopefully the fixes works as intended, it's probably to late for me to get my shepards face back unless I start over and import from my ME2 file over again.

But thats an issue I havnt even complained about even if that was the first issue I noticed when I started the game. The weird illogical ending is was what caught my attention, two days later when I realized I still hadn't gotten over it I check the forums to see what other people thought and realized I wasn't the only one who had issues with the ending. My first reaction was denial and refusing to belive it was that bad even if that was the only conclusion I could make, it took me 2 days before  realized I had to check the forums to see if anyone could make sense of that weird and illogical ending that made no sense what so ever. A master piece destroyed in the last few minues of game play, slowly degrading to the point of utter platitude. It's almost as if my 70 year old mother had written that last part with the catalyst to ensure stay away from evil devil machine, aka Personal computers and computer games. The rest of the game was some of the best I've played imo, some people expressed concerns about the quest areas that didn't involve shooting  I guess. I was fine with that I don't expect everything to involve fiering a gun to make it entertaining.

It's like when I was at that shooting range or what ever it was called, my friend wanted me to try it out, I wasn't very interested so I just fired a few wolleys in the general direction of the targets to make him happy.
Then he complained I wasn't even bothering to hold the gun properly to aim it, so I did and scored several perfect hits in fast sucession.
He said he hadn't seen anything like it before, but we never went there again and im fine with that. sorry got sidetracked there.

What breaks the game for me and destroys the perfect score is the ending, it makes no sense. It would even have made more sense if the sory ended with shepard enterign the beam, then a text shows up, "Minutes later the citadel exploded in a light and all reapers dissapeared. End of story"
"Stay tuned for the next episode when the Krogan warlord GRrrgraw takes control over the krogan clans, enlaves the females and starts a devastating war of conquest on the galaxy."

I think I care too much about Mass effect...

#156
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Please can you keep this updated. Really want to know what happens!

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Is there any place we can watch this?

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Excellent post op!
Good job finding people willing to do live twitter feeds. It's DEFINITELY better than nothing...
:)

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https://twitter.com/#!/jsunakasully
"For those of you not at PAX, what would you want to ask Bioware about #ME3? Keep it civil, ha..."

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Jsun ‏ @jsunakasully
I have a feeling that they'll request to keep questions spoiler free, but all anyone wants to talk about is the ending. #ME3 #PAXEast

Well, gee. Who could have seen THAT coming.

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pika9519 wrote...

https://twitter.com/#!/jsunakasully
"For those of you not at PAX, what would you want to ask Bioware about #ME3? Keep it civil, ha..."

Someone ask about Tali's stock-face, Jessica Chobot's hideous acting abilities and...erhm...dark energy? 

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Live blogging here: http://htewing.cover...ask=viewaltcast

Modifié par felipejiraya, 06 avril 2012 - 08:11 .


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Jsun ‏ @jsunakasully

I wanted to know if the extended ending would include any gameplay, but I heard today that it'll be all cut scenes


Sad

#164
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I hope someone will stream that panel from their Iphone or something I will pay their Data plan bill afterward if someone wants to do it

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Gexora wrote...

...DA3 multiplayer
I need some listerine


I 'm pretty sure I read somewhere that someone at BW or EA (I forget which) said Multiplayer will be a part of all their games going forwards.

I could be wrong though.

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TheProfessor234 wrote...

Is there any place we can watch this?


No live streams for the Bioware/ME panel. Only twitter atm.

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nevermind, wrong link

Modifié par revo76, 06 avril 2012 - 08:14 .


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Political sh*tstorm approaching fast.

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What we need is our own "Red Shirt Guy" from Blizzcon 2010 (http://www.wowpedia.org/Red_Shirt_Guy) to challenge Bioware.

Modifié par Crazyjeffy, 06 avril 2012 - 08:14 .


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15 minutes!

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Ravennus wrote...

Steve2911 wrote...

RebelByDesign wrote...

I hope that when they bring up multiplayer the fans bring it back round to the lie about us not needing to play MP to get the "best" ending in SP.

We have enough grievances to cover any topic you want to discuss, BioWare.

Wait, what? That was true... At which point do you need to play MP to get the best ending? The EMS bar can be easily filled with GR at 50%.


Filling the bar doesn't matter. You can do that easily.  The bar means nothing.
You need to continue getting MORE EMS.  This is even explained in Jarret Lee's sticky.

You need to get 5000 EMS (thus 10000 points worth of war assets before 50% readiness cuts that in half) in order to get the highest achievable ending.
You CAN get it with 4000 EMS, but there is a very specific requirement... you must have 'saved' Anderson from getting shot a second time by TIM.


Some people thought they just meant the 'green' ending to be the 'best' ending, but that has already been confirmed by other EA/Bioware employees as untrue.  They say we can easily get over 5000 EMS without multiplayer, facebook, or iOS apps.

This is simply not true with the version of the game we were shipped.
Research has been done, and the code has been dissected by many intelligent players.

At the moment that many war assets DO NOT EXIST in the game we bought.

For a reference, most players who had near 'perfect' import playthroughs from ME1 and ME2... who also did all the DLC available.... and completed every available quest and scanned every planet..... get around 7200 TOTAL war assets, give or take.
I got a bit more, others get a bit less.
Diving into the game code confirms this.

Even if you played PERFECTLY through all 3 games (poor PS3 players) and completely disregarded roleplaying for the sake of making EVERY decision for the maximum available war assets...

.... you might get close to 7500.

With the default 50% readiness, that gets cut in half and you get around 3750 Effective Military Strength (EMS).

That's still 500 war assets shy of getting the 'breath' scene (more than some entire species fleets).
And that's only if you 'save' Anderson.

Yet they say we can easily get 5000?

I'm sorry, but that means we are somehow missing 2500+ war assets from our completionest full import playthroughs.

SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE!


As I've said before.... I don't want to call them liars.  I have a hard time believing, even now, that they would honestly tell us that we can get 10000+ war assets in Single Player alone if they didn't think that it was possible or did it themselves.

Which leads me to believe they are playing a different version.  Some pretty substantional content must have been cut from the final release that they weren't aware of.... or perhaps they are factoring in SP DLC we don't yet have?

Or possibly the war asset values were bugged and that some should be worth a lot more than they are now.


Either way, they NEED to be made aware of this... especially with DLC coming out that expand the endings.
Once that happens, a lot more people are going to want to see the ending where Shepard supposedly lives.
They will play without multiplayer and not get that ending, no matter what they do.

I hope they get ahead of this problem... but for the moment, they will only tell us we are wrong. :(

Stop disrespecting the artistic integrity of Bioware's math, hater. They are the creators, they get to say what numbers mean!

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T-Minus 15 minutes everybody brace yourselves

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Is this what Shepard warned us about?

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For those not aware of this now, a livestream will be available at http://www.bioware.com/biowaretv

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chevyguy87 wrote...

T-Minus 15 minutes everybody brace yourselves


imagining the 'Final Countdown' son playing B)