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[Had-to-say]

If humanity survives till the year 3012 will our technology allow us to even look anything like humans? Imagine humanity in the year 1,002,012. 1 million years into our future, we will certainly be gods using today's standards.

We might create our own version of life and seed new worlds.

[Exicuren]

I think that intelligent life outside our solar system is totally possible, like everyone said, the problem is traveling at FTL, but in some way i think that maybe the answer could lie in other forms, let's remember that wormhole transport is considered but it's still a theory. Othe rthing to consider it's that in mathematics we can express a lot more dimensions than the ones that we can perceive with our senses.

Regarding intelligent life trying to get contact with us, the problem it's not that they could decide to kill us, but the problem lies in the facts that if there's already intelligent life watching us, they don't want to have contact with us because they could see that we are too self destructive and there is no point to have any way of comunication because of tendensy to act violently to something unknown. the other problem is that if they make first contact with us and they analize our history and society, they could react in different ways either peacefully or violently depending of their culture and philosophy.

Therefore, i think that if there is another life form watching us, maybe they don't want to have contact with us because our nature, and if we manage to fid another civilization, maybe we could change our own definition of belonging, the only problem that stoods in the way is corporations, mainly big corporations that only seek profit, they don't need a global unification because it could mean a total change to manufacturing products in a very low price.

Maybe humanity can have a future with global unification, but i see it very far, maybe in a hundred years or more, time will tell.

[Dantexr3]

The universe is infinite, so there's infinite posibilities of being other intelligent species.

[Transgirlgamer]

I have to wonder how possible something like the Star Trek or Star Wars version of FTL travel is. They take the object out of 'normal' space to where the laws of physics as we know them don't apply.

Of course in the fighter scenes in star wars it seems like the laws of physics don't apply anyway as the ships handle like atmospheric fighters, but in space.

[GorrilaKing]

Exicuren wrote...

I think that intelligent life outside our solar system is totally possible, like everyone said, the problem is traveling at FTL, but in some way i think that maybe the answer could lie in other forms, let's remember that wormhole transport is considered but it's still a theory. Othe rthing to consider it's that in mathematics we can express a lot more dimensions than the ones that we can perceive with our senses.

Regarding intelligent life trying to get contact with us, the problem it's not that they could decide to kill us, but the problem lies in the facts that if there's already intelligent life watching us, they don't want to have contact with us because they could see that we are too self destructive and there is no point to have any way of comunication because of tendensy to act violently to something unknown. the other problem is that if they make first contact with us and they analize our history and society, they could react in different ways either peacefully or violently depending of their culture and philosophy.

Therefore, i think that if there is another life form watching us, maybe they don't want to have contact with us because our nature, and if we manage to fid another civilization, maybe we could change our own definition of belonging, the only problem that stoods in the way is corporations, mainly big corporations that only seek profit, they don't need a global unification because it could mean a total change to manufacturing products in a very low price.

Maybe humanity can have a future with global unification, but i see it very far, maybe in a hundred years or more, time will tell.

Not to mention that corporate interests are what has shaped our society into something that no longer looks up to the stars in any visionary way. They bled the countries dry, thus basically stunting any far-reaching space travel plans. In the end, they are holding us back.

On a positive note...I am having much more fun reading and writing in this thread than discussing the endings yet again. I think i am slowly on the way to recovery

Modifié par GorrilaKing, 07 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[NovaM4]

GorrilaKing wrote...

Exicuren wrote...

I think that intelligent life outside our solar system is totally possible, like everyone said, the problem is traveling at FTL, but in some way i think that maybe the answer could lie in other forms, let's remember that wormhole transport is considered but it's still a theory. Othe rthing to consider it's that in mathematics we can express a lot more dimensions than the ones that we can perceive with our senses.

Regarding intelligent life trying to get contact with us, the problem it's not that they could decide to kill us, but the problem lies in the facts that if there's already intelligent life watching us, they don't want to have contact with us because they could see that we are too self destructive and there is no point to have any way of comunication because of tendensy to act violently to something unknown. the other problem is that if they make first contact with us and they analize our history and society, they could react in different ways either peacefully or violently depending of their culture and philosophy.

Therefore, i think that if there is another life form watching us, maybe they don't want to have contact with us because our nature, and if we manage to fid another civilization, maybe we could change our own definition of belonging, the only problem that stoods in the way is corporations, mainly big corporations that only seek profit, they don't need a global unification because it could mean a total change to manufacturing products in a very low price.

Maybe humanity can have a future with global unification, but i see it very far, maybe in a hundred years or more, time will tell.

Not to mention that corporate interests are what has shaped our society into something that no longer looks up to the stars in any visionary way. They bled the countries dry, thus basically stunting any far-reaching space travel plans. In the end, they are holding us back.

On a positive note...I am having much more fun reading and writing in this thread than discussing the endings yet again. I think i am slowly on the way to recovery

If there is intelligent life out there. I think they won't attack us witheout a very good reason. Maybe they will if their planet is dying and want to colonise earth instead. Or if they find us as the first intelligent beings they have encountered besides themselves. I think they won't destroy us. Waht would you do if you find out you are not alone in the universe and can come in contact with this race. Not destroy them i guess..

[GorrilaKing]

NovaM4 wrote...

GorrilaKing wrote...

Exicuren wrote...

I think that intelligent life outside our solar system is totally possible, like everyone said, the problem is traveling at FTL, but in some way i think that maybe the answer could lie in other forms, let's remember that wormhole transport is considered but it's still a theory. Othe rthing to consider it's that in mathematics we can express a lot more dimensions than the ones that we can perceive with our senses.

Regarding intelligent life trying to get contact with us, the problem it's not that they could decide to kill us, but the problem lies in the facts that if there's already intelligent life watching us, they don't want to have contact with us because they could see that we are too self destructive and there is no point to have any way of comunication because of tendensy to act violently to something unknown. the other problem is that if they make first contact with us and they analize our history and society, they could react in different ways either peacefully or violently depending of their culture and philosophy.

Therefore, i think that if there is another life form watching us, maybe they don't want to have contact with us because our nature, and if we manage to fid another civilization, maybe we could change our own definition of belonging, the only problem that stoods in the way is corporations, mainly big corporations that only seek profit, they don't need a global unification because it could mean a total change to manufacturing products in a very low price.

Maybe humanity can have a future with global unification, but i see it very far, maybe in a hundred years or more, time will tell.

Not to mention that corporate interests are what has shaped our society into something that no longer looks up to the stars in any visionary way. They bled the countries dry, thus basically stunting any far-reaching space travel plans. In the end, they are holding us back.

On a positive note...I am having much more fun reading and writing in this thread than discussing the endings yet again. I think i am slowly on the way to recovery

If there is intelligent life out there. I think they won't attack us witheout a very good reason. Maybe they will if their planet is dying and want to colonise earth instead. Or if they find us as the first intelligent beings they have encountered besides themselves. I think they won't destroy us. Waht would you do if you find out you are not alone in the universe and can come in contact with this race. Not destroy them i guess..

Not me personally, no. I'd welcome them. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for corporate, military and government folks. Power attracts people with certain mindsets...greed, for example, and, stemming from that, fear of losing what they have. If we screw up a first contact, I'll bet the farm we can place the blame squarely in that direction.

[NovaM4]

Not me personally, no. I'd welcome them. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for corporate, military and government folks. Power attracts people with certain mindsets...greed, for example, and, stemming from that, fear of losing what they have. If we screw up a first contact, I'll bet the farm we can place the blame squarely in that direction.

I think the militairy won't attack them. Im sure of that. Maybe the war addicts but Im sure the scientists of the militairy or from other corporations tell them to not attack them. We will wait and see what the aliens will do. First search for a way to communicate with them like in the sci-fi movies.

[Seel]

Humanity is too unstable, we already almost completely abandoned all space programs, and it's unclear - when we will return to it again... I know only one thing - our distant descendents will be live in very interesting "setting", but will it be "postapocalypse" or "space sci-fi"... It's maybe depends on us, and how actual existing countries and nations will be mutually cooperate in present time in the name of "star dream".

[Spectre-00N7]

Ajna wrote...

Anyone that would swear otherwise (one way to really p me off) imo is arrogant, ofc we are not alone...

I respect your opinion, but I do not agree with it.

[Prosarian]

NovaM4 wrote...

Not me personally, no. I'd welcome them. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for corporate, military and government folks. Power attracts people with certain mindsets...greed, for example, and, stemming from that, fear of losing what they have. If we screw up a first contact, I'll bet the farm we can place the blame squarely in that direction.

I think the militairy won't attack them. Im sure of that. Maybe the war addicts but Im sure the scientists of the militairy or from other corporations tell them to not attack them. We will wait and see what the aliens will do. First search for a way to communicate with them like in the sci-fi movies.

It's plausible that our governments would attempt to colonize large swathes of a habitable planet with a primitive alien species (think Avatar). In fact, if we do find Pandora, we'd probably blow the living daylights out of most of the inhabitants, and then take their resources.

[GorrilaKing]

Prosarian wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

Not me personally, no. I'd welcome them. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for corporate, military and government folks. Power attracts people with certain mindsets...greed, for example, and, stemming from that, fear of losing what they have. If we screw up a first contact, I'll bet the farm we can place the blame squarely in that direction.

I think the militairy won't attack them. Im sure of that. Maybe the war addicts but Im sure the scientists of the militairy or from other corporations tell them to not attack them. We will wait and see what the aliens will do. First search for a way to communicate with them like in the sci-fi movies.

It's plausible that our governments would attempt to colonize large swathes of a habitable planet with a primitive alien species (think Avatar). In fact, if we do find Pandora, we'd probably blow the living daylights out of most of the inhabitants, and then take their resources.

And the fact that it is a possible outcome really makes me hate my own species sometimes.

[NovaM4]

GorrilaKing wrote...

Prosarian wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

Not me personally, no. I'd welcome them. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for corporate, military and government folks. Power attracts people with certain mindsets...greed, for example, and, stemming from that, fear of losing what they have. If we screw up a first contact, I'll bet the farm we can place the blame squarely in that direction.

I think the militairy won't attack them. Im sure of that. Maybe the war addicts but Im sure the scientists of the militairy or from other corporations tell them to not attack them. We will wait and see what the aliens will do. First search for a way to communicate with them like in the sci-fi movies.

It's plausible that our governments would attempt to colonize large swathes of a habitable planet with a primitive alien species (think Avatar). In fact, if we do find Pandora, we'd probably blow the living daylights out of most of the inhabitants, and then take their resources.

And the fact that it is a possible outcome really makes me hate my own species sometimes.

True.. Humans are ****s.. 
And you know. My peers. They are so violent and wanna be the cool guy/girl. Will that become our future?

[Fulgrim88]

Leesard wrote...

Humanity is too unstable, we already almost completely abandoned all space programs, and it's unclear - when we will return to it again... I know only one thing - our distant descendents will be live in very interesting "setting", but will it be "postapocalypse" or "space sci-fi"... It's maybe depends on us, and how actual existing countries and nations will be mutually cooperate in present time in the name of "star dream".

Well, you have to consider that overpopulation will become a REAL problem well within our lifetime.

I recently came across that page here which was put up to show just how much the world population has grown over the past 50 years. Heck, I was born before we had crossed the 5billion mark, and we're past 7 now. And I ain't old.

It's estimated that by 2030, there'll be 8 billion people living on this planet - and todays means of providing food won't cut it anymore. 10 billion at 2050.
So the first world countries will be in a bind. Lower their own standard of living, face a rebellious ton of young, very angry Second and Third-Worlders or find other means of gathering resources.

This doesn't have to lead into a new golden space age, in fact it's more likely that **** will just hit the fan down here on earth, but it's one of the possiblities.

The Space Elevator project comes to mind. And there are plans for solar panels and farms in orbit

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 07 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[NovaM4]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Leesard wrote...

Humanity is too unstable, we already almost completely abandoned all space programs, and it's unclear - when we will return to it again... I know only one thing - our distant descendents will be live in very interesting "setting", but will it be "postapocalypse" or "space sci-fi"... It's maybe depends on us, and how actual existing countries and nations will be mutually cooperate in present time in the name of "star dream".

Well, you have to consider that overpopulation will become a REAL problem well within our lifetime.

I recently came across that page here which was put up to show just how much the world population has grown over the past 50 years. Heck, I was born before we had crossed the 5billion mark, and we're past 7 now. And I ain't old.

It's estimated that by 2030, there'll be 10 billion people living on this planet - and todays means of providing food won't cut it anymore.
So the first world countries will be in a bind. Lower their own standard of living, face a rebellious ton of young, very angry Second and Third-Worlders or find other means of gathering resources.

This doesn't have to lead into a new golden space age, in fact it's more likely that **** will just hit the fan down here on earth, but it's one of the possiblities.

The Space Elevator project comes to mind. And there are plans for solar panels and farms in orbit

Humanity doesn't grow that fast. Around 1900 they all had more than 2 kids. Now it's 2 or less.
Take a look at this video. it explains it better then i do.

www.youtube.com/watch

[vertigo72]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

I believe there can be some form of life we cannot even imagine. Consider this:

• Ticks can survive in vacuum under high energy electron bombardment
• There are fungis that can "eat" gamma radiation
• There are animals that can live without oxygen

And all those are normal carbon-based life forms, like us. 

Yup, interesting point.

However, those are very small organisms living under very adverse conditions.
It's not unreasonable to assume that intelligent life needs a lot of "good" conditions in order to thrive. The whole system is simply way too complex, thus fragile.

However, "life" can exist pretty much anywhere.  Personally, I'm pretty fond of these guys.

I forgot this one. Ticks kinda beat them, because not only they can survive in vacuum, they can live and move in vacuum. Watherbears have to be dehydrated to survive. Btw, a way to transport life.

[Prosarian]

vertigo72 wrote...

I forgot this one. Ticks kinda beat them, because not only they can survive in vacuum, they can live and move in vacuum. Watherbears have to be dehydrated to survive. Btw, a way to transport life.

Clearly you mean Zerg

[crazychris153]

Why does everyone forget the final factor, If the cold war could have resulted in a nuclear winter, then odds are that other races would wipe themselves out, so there is still almost certainly life out their. Its just possible other species have wiped themselves out.

[revo76]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Stephen Hawking said that alien life exists and is hostile.

Not a pleasant thought.

You humans are all racist !

[vertigo72]

Prosarian wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

I forgot this one. Ticks kinda beat them, because not only they can survive in vacuum, they can live and move in vacuum. Watherbears have to be dehydrated to survive. Btw, a way to transport life.

Clearly you mean Zerg

First Contact War, in the forest near you!

[sargon1986]

Dantexr3 wrote...

The universe is infinite, so there's infinite posibilities of being other intelligent species.

It's not infinite because it had a beginning (Big Bang). If it was infinite then it wouldnt have a beginning.

[NovaM4]

sargon1986 wrote...

Dantexr3 wrote...

The universe is infinite, so there's infinite posibilities of being other intelligent species.

It's not infinite because it had a beginning (Big Bang). If it was infinite then it wouldnt have a beginning.

We don't know for sure if the Universe is infinite or not. But what we do know is that all the Galaxy's spread out by time further away from each other. Eventually the Milky way and Andromeda will swallow each other. So that makes Milkomeda. That's how Galaxy's come to liveand grow. The milky way became this size by swallowing dwarf Galaxy's.
bigger and bigger. As did the Andromeda galaxy. It's moving our way fast. In about 2,8Billion years the time has come.. The 2 galaxy's will be united. And make a bigger one. We will die but there also is a chance that we will be slung out of the Galaxy into deep space.. Both terryfing. But you can't change the fate of nature..

[Seel]

sargon1986 wrote...

Dantexr3 wrote...

The universe is infinite, so there's infinite posibilities of being other intelligent species.

It's not infinite because it had a beginning (Big Bang). If it was infinite then it wouldnt have a beginning.

When human use word "infinite", it's mean only that something is too big, to be understood by them. In science too, you shouldn't think that this is true only for the stupid and uneducated savages.

Modifié par Leesard, 07 avril 2012 - 12:52 .

[Kalms]

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

I just hope that the law of physics is wrong. I want to explore the Galaxy!
Just as they tought the Earth was flat.... That was so dumb..

Yours is a flawed comparison.

Today's models of reality are based on empirical observations and scientific naturalism while flat earthism is based on bronze age mythology.

Then again, maybe not. What if the reality that you're observing is changing? What if particles doesn't work the way we think they do? What if string theory turns out to be true, and are all but a small part of a larger reality (or multiple realities..).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we don't have a clue about anything. We might think we do, but in the end, so many things in the universe are unexplainable - and all of the explanations we have come up with so far are at best grasping at straws.

I hope the world are turned upside down multiple times in my life time

[SandMan2012]

Pottumuusi wrote...

SandMan2012 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

MaskofSkin wrote...

The sooner we discover life, the sooner we stop referring to ourselves by country, religion and political ideology and start referring to ourselves as Earthlings, the better off we will be,

Exactly. The technology to spaceflight is not far off, it is underfunded. We will travel faster than the speed of light, I promise everyone that. There is nothing that humanity has accomplished without time and effort.

The real question is HOW will we travel at FTL speeds, seeing as based off of everything we have seen, studied, etc, Einstein is still right in that nothing can go faster than light.  That is of course only considering the object to be the thing moving.  If we were find a way to "move space" as well then FTL travel is possible.  However without some rediculous break through we are a long LONG ways off from that tech.  Currently Anti-matter engines are being researched for the manned mission to MARS which would be a tremendous improvement.  

Bottom line, we have a long way to go yet.

We don't need anything as silly as antimatter engines to go to Mars.
The only real problems with a manned mission are the health risks for the astronauts, technology wise we could up and go there at the drop of a hat.

If you want to go slow I guess that is true, however they would decrease travel time by an amazing ammount.  The current "plan" is to use a starship which is powered by a nuclear reactor, and the core would eject upon arriving at mars out into space, but they can only eject in a small area so the core does not end up back on earth apparently, the antimatter solution is 1.) Possible and 2.) Safer