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[Pottumuusi]

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

[Rooster8227]

pistolols wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

pistolols wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

I agree with the OP, chances that we are alone on this vast universe are small.

However, when speaking of UFO and that kind of bs. I must say i disagree completly. I think that there's no reason or evidence to believe we have ever been visited by aliens, and im pretty sure that its more likely to have a conversation over the centuries that actually seing them.

Carl Sagan pretty much explained the problems with UFO and Real Science.

lol just in the first 45 seconds he makes a condescending comment about "1 or 2 witness's". 

Within a year after Carl Sagan died, a giant triangle thing was seen hovering over Phoenix arizona by thousands of people, including then governor of the state. 

Sagan was a smart guy but he was mistaken.

He was human and a scientist on the XX century, every message that's 20 years old its outdated.

However, he was not mistaken.

He was telling "look guys, i really want humanity to find aliens, but all i know about the cosmos and all the research i made about these UFO's showed me that it's not likely to be real"


The Triangle thing on the sky doesn't have to be aliens ships.

First of all:

- No matter how advanced the civilization is, travelling through space it's not a simple task. The distances are HUUUUUUGEEEE. The dangers are incredible high. There's no way a ship that small could travel all the way here at speed light. But let's assume its a robot and that has some magic engines that allow them to have so much energy/fuel to do that awesome moves.

There have been many MANY scientist studing all these reports and not even one concluded that they were aliens. In fact, most of them found evidence that it was either a scam or a already known phenomenon.

Also, most of the UFO supporters believe that the US goverment knows all about this and they're not willing to tell anyone.

Well, with all due respect, USA it's not the only country in the world. And i have no reason to believe that something as big as this could have avoided REAL leaks for more than 1 century. I mean, we have wikileaks about corruption and espionage but not even one scientist that rebels against the system and give humanity answers?.

C'mon, there a LOT of dedicated people trying to find life on other planets. They're far more intelligent on the fields of astronomy, physics, and exobiology that anyone of us. Give those guys some credit when they say: "UFOS have not any real support on evidence". 

Finally, about those "eyewitnesses"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xag3oOzvU68

Sesshaku no offense but i am well versed and well aware of all of these skeptical arguments and don't need my memory refreshed, thanks.  Bottom line is the overwhelming amount of evidence proves otherwise.  I challenge you to stop being so ignorant and take a look at some of the more compelling incidents yourself.  Perhaps you could read the book by Leslie Kean that someone else has linked.  Tyson, Sagan, these are not people that have taken a serious look at the phenomenon, the evidence, and instead opt to argue the larger associated scientific and philosphical problems of extra-terrestrial life and interstellar travel.  And while they do make good points (i like Tyson and Sagan a lot), nevertheless, the phenomenon consistently proves otherwise.

There are, of course, going to be things the public doesn't know that the government are hiding but regardless, space travel is pretty impossible with our current understanding. There was once a case where a few guys played a prank in the 60s or something and this sparked worldwide interest notably from MI6, army officials and the Americans. It was a prank from a few guys from a small village. It kinda shows we are clueless and we could see something and believe anything.
For example: Did we really get to the moon? Is the real Paul Mccartney dead? Was 9/11 planned by the government?
Can we know? No. But does that make them true? Of course it doesn't. We can prove things that happened, not things we think happened. I freakin' LOVE conspiracy theories though hahaha!!

[NovaM4]

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

Thats true.. but we have to think possitive sometimes?

[Nightfall UT]

Good post my friend from The Netherlands. I agree with you that it seems impossible that we could be alone in this galaxy, and I also do not want to be speaking chinese in a few years.

[G Kevin]

NovaM4 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

Thats true.. but we have to think possitive sometimes?

[slimshedim]

Titan_HQ wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Stephen Hawking said that alien life exists and is hostile.

Not a pleasant thought.

Then it is a good job that killing things is Humanities number one favourite past-time.

No because we will either kill each other or completely fudge up the planet way before they discover "us". Bear in mind it only takes more than 4°C in global warming to completely ruin the planet for all time. Unless we don't change our way of life and adopt renewable energy sources, we are going to hit those 4°C pretty soon and extraterrestial life will only find our ruins and a violated planet, if anything at all.

Modifié par slimshedim, 06 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[inko1nsiderate]

NovaM4 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

Thats true.. but we have to think possitive sometimes?

It is possible to think positive without being so open minded that your brain falls out.|

I like to think that advances in technology and medicine allow us to live for many centuries, travel at relativistic speeds, and that we travel amongst the stars in a way like the Forever War (only without the war part). 

I'd also love if we found intelligent life, and think we could, but I don't see a future in which we have FTL travel and communication.

If you think about it, the kind of paradigm shift society would have to go through if we had interstellar travel at relativistic speeds would be far larger than having FTL.

That being said: of course I'd love if FTL were possible.  You could do direct testing of astrophysics.  Make astrophysical observations here, predict what the future of said star/planet/whatever is, zip on over in the Enterprise and then see what the star/planet/whatever actually looks like and compare your theory to experiment directly.  The pure science applications of FTL are pretty damn amazing.   Without FTL it seems possible... just a lot harder and far more dangerous.

Not going to happen though.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 06 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[Sesshaku]

G Kevin wrote...

That video is awesome.

NovaM4 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

Thats true.. but we have to think possitive sometimes?

Perhaps.

But think of the Universe as the Mass Effect 3 Ending. Where it doesn't matter what choices you made, in the end, the Universe is going to die, either by a Big Rip, either by a Big Crunch, either by just the stars slowly dying while the galaxies and stars separate from each other.

That's more or less the current picture of the end of days. But don't worry, it's going to take a looooooooooooooooooong time to happen (if it happens).


In other words....it's all about the Artistic Integrity of the Universe. You can hate it. But you can't change it :innocent:.


PS: Just joking your choices do matter. Please don't kill yourself. I don't want to be Casey Hudson.

PS2: Is it me, or this topic is more interesting that the one about PAX?.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 06 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[G Kevin]

Sesshaku wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

That video is awesome.

NovaM4 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

Thats true.. but we have to think possitive sometimes?

Perhaps.

But think of the Universe as the Mass Effect 3 Ending. Where it doesn't matter what choices you made, in the end, the Universe is going to die, either by a Big Rip, either by a Big Crunch, either by just the stars slowly dying while the galaxies and stars separate from each other.

That's more or less the current picture of the end of days. But don't worry, it's going to take a looooooooooooooooooong time to happen (if it happens).


In other words....it's all about the Artistic Integrity of the Universe. You can hate it. But you can't change it :innocent:.


PS: Just joking your choices do matter. Please don't kill yourself. I don't want to be Casey Hudson.

PS2: Is it me, or this topic is more interesting that the one about PAX?.

It is the dreams and hope that drives us forward in science. Why bother studying everything around you if it gets you nothing? We are optimistic to find something awesome.

[streamlock]

Always an interesting argument.

For all the flack the SETI project gets, it's data has shown us one indomitable conclusion....

Though a full consensus of the galaxy is certainly not complete, where ever we look we hear only static. (Aside from the occasional pasterns of pulsars or other strange phenomena)

And while incomplete it shows that complex life that has evolved (created) to be capable of abstract thought and has reached 'at least' our command of nature (i.e. ability to create and manipulate electromagnetic forces, photons) is:

A.) A very, very rare occurrence
B.) A very, very recent 'relatively speaking" development on the galactic scene. (within the last 54,000-96,000 years)
C.) Some combination of the two

We are either astonishingly blessed to have everything go just right to be where we are today as a species. Or are part of a first generation of life in our galaxy to begin to bend the forces of nature to our will. Regardless-it has shown us to appreciate what we are, who we are, and what we have and can accomplish as a species.

(Note: There is of course the crazy haired ancient alien conspiracy theory D: that would have to assume some one or some thing actively blocking such EMF bleed off into our solar system-but I will stick with the more evidence based arguments myself)

[NovaM4]

If we cannot dream.. There is no future.. we should not investigate on how the humans were created or what our ancesters did.. That is history... We have to focus on the Future..!

[Pottumuusi]

G Kevin wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

That video is awesome.

NovaM4 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

As per our understanding of reality, it's not uncertain, it's impossible.

If you think like that.. We will never make it..

Yeah, sorry but my way of thinking actually builds civilizations and aquires new knowledge.

Thats true.. but we have to think possitive sometimes?

Perhaps.

But think of the Universe as the Mass Effect 3 Ending. Where it doesn't matter what choices you made, in the end, the Universe is going to die, either by a Big Rip, either by a Big Crunch, either by just the stars slowly dying while the galaxies and stars separate from each other.

That's more or less the current picture of the end of days. But don't worry, it's going to take a looooooooooooooooooong time to happen (if it happens).


In other words....it's all about the Artistic Integrity of the Universe. You can hate it. But you can't change it :innocent:.


PS: Just joking your choices do matter. Please don't kill yourself. I don't want to be Casey Hudson.

PS2: Is it me, or this topic is more interesting that the one about PAX?.

It is the dreams and hope that drives us forward in science. Why bother studying everything around you if it gets you nothing? We are optimistic to find something awesome.

Because finding stuff out about the universe is it's own reward.

[NovaM4]

You know... Talking about this makes me feel happy.. No jokes. But when i talk about this. I don't give a sh*t anymore about "Mating" I know it is important. but i don't know..

And when i see my peers. I think..:"Will this be our Future? THIS?!?" ffs...
Im only 15 years old. And i will do something about my future. I want to become a scientist but i don't think i am capable of doing that.. I have this disturbance in my brain that makes calculating hard. it's called: "Dyscalculia"

[G Kevin]

NovaM4 wrote...

If we cannot dream.. There is no future.. we should not investigate on how the humans were created or what our ancesters did.. That is history... We have to focus on the Future..!

Agreed. However, understanding the past is just as important to create something for the present and the future.

[NovaM4]

G Kevin wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

If we cannot dream.. There is no future.. we should not investigate on how the humans were created or what our ancesters did.. That is history... We have to focus on the Future..!

Agreed. However, understanding the past is just as important to create something for the present and the future.

That is also true. We first have to understand ourselves to do something with it.

[Pottumuusi]

NovaM4 wrote...

You know... Talking about this makes me feel happy.. No jokes. But when i talk about this. I don't give a sh*t anymore about "Mating" I know it is important. but i don't know..

And when i see my peers. I think..:"Will this be our Future? THIS?!?" ffs...
Im only 15 years old. And i will do something about my future. I want to become a scientist but i don't think i am capable of doing that.. I have this disturbance in my brain that makes calculating hard. it's called: "Dyscalculia"

Go for it. We have computers for calculations. All you need is that inner drive for knowledge.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 06 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[G Kevin]

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

You know... Talking about this makes me feel happy.. No jokes. But when i talk about this. I don't give a sh*t anymore about "Mating" I know it is important. but i don't know..

And when i see my peers. I think..:"Will this be our Future? THIS?!?" ffs...
Im only 15 years old. And i will do something about my future. I want to become a scientist but i don't think i am capable of doing that.. I have this disturbance in my brain that makes calculating hard. it's called: "Dyscalculia"

Go for it. We have computers for calculations. All you need is that inner drive.

As long as you want to discover, go for it!

[NovaM4]

Pottumuusi wrote...

NovaM4 wrote...

You know... Talking about this makes me feel happy.. No jokes. But when i talk about this. I don't give a sh*t anymore about "Mating" I know it is important. but i don't know..

And when i see my peers. I think..:"Will this be our Future? THIS?!?" ffs...
Im only 15 years old. And i will do something about my future. I want to become a scientist but i don't think i am capable of doing that.. I have this disturbance in my brain that makes calculating hard. it's called: "Dyscalculia"

Go for it. We have computers for calculations. All you need is that inner drive for knowledge.

Thanks guys. This gave me some hope. But i don't know where to go to become a scientist. Maybe i should join the observatory (looking out for stars)?

[NovaM4]

Im going to sleep. it's already getting too late while hanging out on this forum

it's around 1 am now,

[Annora]

Rooster8227 wrote...

There are, of course, going to be things the public doesn't know that the government are hiding but regardless, space travel is pretty impossible with our current understanding. There was once a case where a few guys played a prank in the 60s or something and this sparked worldwide interest notably from MI6, army officials and the Americans. It was a prank from a few guys from a small village. It kinda shows we are clueless and we could see something and believe anything.
For example: Did we really get to the moon? Is the real Paul Mccartney dead? Was 9/11 planned by the government?
Can we know? No. But does that make them true? Of course it doesn't. We can prove things that happened, not things we think happened. I freakin' LOVE conspiracy theories though hahaha!!

I urge you to read the book I linked earlier. It's called UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials go on the record, written by Leslie Kean. She never once says it's aliens, but the UFO phenomena exists and there are tons of reports by highly intelligent and trustworthy people. But there's a stigma attached to the term "UFO" now, and people automatically brush it aside as crazy nonsense. It's not.

[wesr]

If they are out there and find out about ME 3 they'll stay away figuring we're all idiots.

[Cogneter]

While I condemn OP for posting in the wrong forum, I still agree with some/most of his points. When I was younger, I wanted to become a scientist for the same reasons (advancement of human race, including in space), but, when I tried, I ultimately failed (couldn't hold all the physics in my head). Became a programmer instead.

I still greatly respect each and every scientist who advances humanity, because we basically own these guys everything: electricity, phones, computers, insert-your-favourite-device-here. Apparently, not many people realise that and instead they worship "pop-stars" (Justin Bieber anyone?). I'm glad to know there are still people who realise there are serious issues with this world.

As for alien life, I'm more inclined to believe that it either hasn't developed up to the point of galaxy-wide travel (being technologically on a par with humans), or their civilization is yet less advances than humans. There is also the worst-case scenario where FTL travel is physically impossible and every species is stuck in their solar system.

Either way, I believe that, before we make Contact, we are the ones who have to make the first step by colonizing nearby star systems (and we haven't even started colonizing Sol). Until then, we are apparently stuck alone, worshipping Justin Bieber.

[AwesomeDudex64]

MaskofSkin wrote...

The sooner we discover life, the sooner we stop referring to ourselves by country, religion and political ideology and start referring to ourselves as Earthlings, the better off we will be.

So much this. Might be possible in the future when we finally set off on the great voyage to colonize the solar system. That is IF we don't destroy ourselves.

A nice quote right here:
"As long as our only home is the planet Earth, our fate is tied to its fate. We can be utterly destroyed by any of numerous planetary catastrophes, such as nearby supernovae, giant solar flares, a large asteroid or comet impact, even a supervolcano or flood basalt eruption. On a longer timeframe, we know that our sun will someday expand into a red giant, likely vaporizing the Earth." 

[KaeserZen]

wesr wrote...

If they are out there and find out about ME 3 they'll stay away figuring we're all idiots.

I can totally picture that :

Alien wrote :

Commander, the humans are not worth meeting them. Their logic is circular and depressing.

My recommandation is to proceed with the diplomatic meeting with the Blorg, as originally planned.

Alien out.

[NovaM4]

KaeserZen wrote...

wesr wrote...

If they are out there and find out about ME 3 they'll stay away figuring we're all idiots.

I can totally picture that :

Alien wrote :

Commander, the humans are not worth meeting them. Their logic is circular and depressing.

My recommandation is to proceed with the diplomatic meeting with the Blorg, as originally planned.

Alien out.

Haha indeed!.
Or they help us a hand like the protheans did with the Asari.