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#51
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kbct wrote...

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So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.


LOL, additional cinematics are not the same as playable DLC.


BioWare is the one calling it "Extended Cut DLC." And you would not be experiencing it if no one voiced their dissatisfaction about the ending. So, enjoy it. And you're welcome.


Making the last bitter 1% last longer does me no favours.   Resources spent doing so could be better spent on playable DLC.

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pixelface wrote...

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Because it was beautifully emotional and contained a wonderful irony regarding the nature of the Reapers, maybe?

It would be easier to get involved in the thread if you didn't pose your question in a "the only reason I can think of for you liking the ending is if you're stupid" way.

so you choose number 3. because truthfully we all saw what bioware tried to do, but the execution was just not very good. 

... yeah, I now realise that you phrased it in a trollish manner ... because you were trolling. <_<

Why do people on either side have to accuse the other for being stupid for having their opinion? It boggles the mind.

i'm sorry if that is the way that you read it, but i was not trying to offend you. 

You took the reasons I gave you and said "Oh, so you fit into that category of people who are just easily pleased by garbage, then?"

What reaction were you expecting from that, exactly?

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thedosbox wrote...

kbct wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

kbct wrote...

So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.


LOL, additional cinematics are not the same as playable DLC.


BioWare is the one calling it "Extended Cut DLC." And you would not be experiencing it if no one voiced their dissatisfaction about the ending. So, enjoy it. And you're welcome.


Making the last bitter 1% last longer does me no favours.   Resources spent doing so could be better spent on playable DLC.


Then don't download it if you don't like how it was attained.

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silentassassin264 wrote...

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


1.  Had Mass Effect 1 and 2 on 360, got them again on the PC and imported my PC sheps to ME3.  The only reason to make a new Shep for ME3 is because I always kill Kaiden and I need his reave.
2. I don't care.
3. You apparently missed all my rage rants on Dragon Age 2.

Just because you are seething in your rage doesn't mean everyone is a child who throws a tantrum when they don't get their way.  No the ending is not what I wanted but it also was not terrible.  Grow up.

and that is why i made this thread, to understand what is so good about it, i really want to see why some people find it to be acceptable. 

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Honestly... I fail to see what's to like about the ending at all. At best it was anti-climactic and at worst it was contrived to say the least. That's why the defenders confound me. The ending in some respects reminded me of Star Trek V's ending in a sense. There's a huge buildup that is destroyed by an anti-climax.

To me all this talk about "you don't get it!" is a weak sauce copout. If you guys like it, fine. Don't take the elitist high ground.

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kbct wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

kbct wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

kbct wrote...

So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.


LOL, additional cinematics are not the same as playable DLC.


BioWare is the one calling it "Extended Cut DLC." And you would not be experiencing it if no one voiced their dissatisfaction about the ending. So, enjoy it. And you're welcome.


Making the last bitter 1% last longer does me no favours.   Resources spent doing so could be better spent on playable DLC.


Then don't download it if you don't like how it was attained.


If I have a choice, I won't.  I suspect the majority of people who want different endings will do exactly the same.

See how easy it is to make a claim of standing on principle? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Modifié par thedosbox, 06 avril 2012 - 08:36 .


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thedosbox wrote...

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Then don't download it if you don't like how it was attained.

If I have a choice, I won't.  See how easy it is to make a claim of standing on principle? B)


Cool. However, you just said you were gonna "asolutely" download it because you "recognize that the remaining 99% of the game was great fun, and am happy to extend that experience."

Okay, dosbox. We'll see if you a man of your word.

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To people who like this depressing ending...

But this ending was horribly executed, depressing or not. So many plot holes and just no clarity. And seriously, the star child? Just...

Never-mind. If you like the ending it is your ordeal. Don't want to be a douche-bag I guess.


Personally I´m a sucker for sad, tragic endings so I didn´t have any problems with that. I didn´t exactly hate the endings either. I disliked them at first, but after some contemplation I actually think they are alright. Not the type of ending I would have written if it was my story, but not entirely bad either.
What bothered me the most is that there weren´t a proper epilogue and an explanation of what happened to everyone afterwards. But since it now seems that Bioware will remedy at least that part of the endings, i´m staying hopeful.

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kbct wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

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We did the heavy lifting for you then. You're welcome.


You're assuming I want Bioware to change the endings instead of working bug fixes.


I'm sure you'll download the DLC.


Absolutely.  Just as I can enjoy a glass of beer despite the bitterness at the very end, I recognize that the remaining 99% of the game was great fun, and am happy to extend that experience.  If you're not, I'm sure you'll find another game to go complain about.


So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.


So.. You are actually happy about the DLC or??

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DevilBeast wrote...

Rath111 wrote...

To people who like this depressing ending...

But this ending was horribly executed, depressing or not. So many plot holes and just no clarity. And seriously, the star child? Just...

Never-mind. If you like the ending it is your ordeal. Don't want to be a douche-bag I guess.


Personally I´m a sucker for sad, tragic endings so I didn´t have any problems with that. I didn´t exactly hate the endings either. I disliked them at first, but after some contemplation I actually think they are alright. Not the type of ending I would have written if it was my story, but not entirely bad either.
What bothered me the most is that there weren´t a proper epilogue and an explanation of what happened to everyone afterwards. But since it now seems that Bioware will remedy at least that part of the endings, i´m staying hopeful.

to tell you the truth this is how i felt like at first as well, i just wanted a proper goodbye to my mass effect memories, then i entered the internet and people were giving really good reasons why the ending was broken, but i guess i don't really care much about of a broken ending as much as just feeling good about the end of shepard. 

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I started as pretty anti-ending. I've moved closer to the centre in the past month, but I still think they're terrible.

I generally like dark endings. Downer endings are something I personally enjoy, because, I don;t knwo my real life is all sunshine and roses or something. Regardless, I enjoy a good bittersweet ending. One of my favourite (J)RPGs is Nier, where the ostensibly best ending involves (SPOILER) *erasing all your save files and making your chosen character name unusable again* as the main character wipes himself from existence in order to save the one he cares about (/SPOILER). More recently, I fell in love with Final Fantasy XIII-2, where the secret ending you have to work your ass off to unlock involves (SPOILER) the primary antagonist sitting on a throne mocking you for falling right into his trap all along. He then proceeds to irrevocably break the universe (/SPOILER). In short, I love a good dark, depressing ending.

I appreciate what Casey and Mac were trying to go for in this finale, lies and deception aside. They wanted an ending that would be memorable and thought-provoking, if divisive. In the same vein as LOST or Neon Genesis Evangelion. They also wanted something bleak that would highlight the impossible sacrifice necessary to stop something as unstoppable as the Reapers. My issues aren't really with what they tried to do, I can see why these goals are fairly admirable, my issues are what they did. They went for a Gainax Ending and pulled it off ridiculously poorly, so that the audience is left not so much intellectually-stimulated as nihilistically-depressed.

They did it badly. Whatever intellectual brilliance and moral depth they attempted to include was mired by the sheer way in which they executed it. I don't really disagree that intellectual brilliance was not something they should have attempted, but it is a dangerous thing to attempt, and the writers--for whatever reason--just didn't manage it.

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I enjoyed the ending because it was dark and depressing. In real life, wars never end happily, they end with death and sacrifice. and Shep shows us this in the ending.

to many games out there have happy colorful endings, and ME3 didn't, and for that, i give Bioware a pat on the back. War rarely ends in happy colorful scenarios, and the gaming industry needs to reflect this.


I don't get this...

Before, during and after every single war we've ever had people still carried on, fell in love, had babies and were/are happy. Well since evidently we're still here and didn't die out.



Now I'm not arguing for a rainbows and unicorns ending but... Well IMHO the endings neither showed the horrors and tragedies of war nor did it show much of heroic preserverence or why we fought ( talking ending movies here).

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pixelface wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Rath111 wrote...

To people who like this depressing ending...

But this ending was horribly executed, depressing or not. So many plot holes and just no clarity. And seriously, the star child? Just...

Never-mind. If you like the ending it is your ordeal. Don't want to be a douche-bag I guess.


Personally I´m a sucker for sad, tragic endings so I didn´t have any problems with that. I didn´t exactly hate the endings either. I disliked them at first, but after some contemplation I actually think they are alright. Not the type of ending I would have written if it was my story, but not entirely bad either.
What bothered me the most is that there weren´t a proper epilogue and an explanation of what happened to everyone afterwards. But since it now seems that Bioware will remedy at least that part of the endings, i´m staying hopeful.

to tell you the truth this is how i felt like at first as well, i just wanted a proper goodbye to my mass effect memories, then i entered the internet and people were giving really good reasons why the ending was broken, but i guess i don't really care much about of a broken ending as much as just feeling good about the end of shepard. 


Yes, it does have alot of inconsistensies, but frankly the whole ME franchise is littered with inconsistensies . Especially regarding what the characters say and do as opposed to the information in the codex.

Anyway, let´s see what Bioware has in store for us with the DLC before making any further judgements.

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 Your 3 choices describing me are not accurate. But like the mean il bioware YOU won't really listen to me if I did tell you why I liked it. You. Are. Just. Trolling. 

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DevilBeast wrote...

kbct wrote...

So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.


So.. You are actually happy about the DLC or??


No, I'm not happy about the DLC. I want the ending fixed, not clarified. If you follow the exchange from start to finish (maybe five exchanges) you'll understand what I was doing.

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pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


1) Nope, imported and have played 1 six times and 2 three times - started when the original came out in 2006.

2) I am annoyed by people who feel they deserve brand spanking new endings but respect people's opinions if they criticize in a civil manner. It's when insults and trolling for retake occurs that I get irked and troll back. The epilogue is fantastic and I do have retake to thank for that, but I'm also happy that the ending sequence isn't just being scrapped like some people would like. The bottom line is that too many people want too many different things that not everyone can be satisfied. I think that the epilogue is the best way to address the majority of the concerns for the fan base. Heck, even some retakers who are angry at the concept of clarity only may find that the epilogue is everything they wanted in the first place. No one knows exactly what will change but I trust Bioware to do a good job. (For the record I considered the end to be the entire game as all the threads, genophage etc..., were resolved at different points of the game - not all at once in the final cutscene)

3) Oh wait you're a troll...all I can say is that it must really suck to be you. I can't imagine what it would feel like to have the ME series tarnished so badly that you spend time trolling people because you cannot let go of the fact that the ending wasn't what you expected. I hope you have fun resenting the developers that gave you an incredible 150+ hour long journey only to think less of the the whole thing because of 10 minutes. I on the other hand will play MP and stock credits in preparation for the Resurgence Pack drop on the 10th.

To pixelface and his fellow trolls - I hope you can eventually get over it. Likely you just need another ME game to come out so you can buy that and then rage about it :devil:

(And if anyone accuses me of trolling they obviously didn't read my response to #2 - ZING)

Modifié par Kingofthebonggo, 06 avril 2012 - 09:15 .


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I don't mind the fact that everyone is screwed in all the endings (though a bit of variety would've been appreciated), but I can see why people are pissed about this.
What I don't like are the plotholes in the last part of the game, and the fact that the three endings are (for now) practically the same.

Modifié par hhh89, 06 avril 2012 - 09:13 .


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YeGodz wrote...

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


Daaaw....its trying to be insulting. How cute.

Hey, I know a fun game! Let's speculate on why you and your ilk didn't like it. Or rather, why you continue to protest, complain, and start topics like this.

1. Your deranged brand loyalty forces you to buy everything bioware releases. You're angry at them for releasing yet another product, taking more money out of your pocket because you fear you'd lose your "true fan" cred if you skipped one.

2. You've formed an empotional attachment to a software company, which you anthropomorphize and follow around like a jilted stalker. That bioware released some content that you *gasp* didn't like is taken as a personal slight, and now you spend your days outside their virtual window, demanding that they admit that they really loved you all along.

3. Your ability to process fiction is incredibly rigid and linear, and any deviations from the expected cliches of a given genre confuse and enrage you. Somehow, you just now noticed that bioware has been playing with and deconstructing sci-fi tropes for the last 5 years.

So, which one is it?

+1:)

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Darth_Atreyu wrote...

YeGodz wrote...

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


Daaaw....its trying to be insulting. How cute.

Hey, I know a fun game! Let's speculate on why you and your ilk didn't like it. Or rather, why you continue to protest, complain, and start topics like this.

1. Your deranged brand loyalty forces you to buy everything bioware releases. You're angry at them for releasing yet another product, taking more money out of your pocket because you fear you'd lose your "true fan" cred if you skipped one.

2. You've formed an empotional attachment to a software company, which you anthropomorphize and follow around like a jilted stalker. That bioware released some content that you *gasp* didn't like is taken as a personal slight, and now you spend your days outside their virtual window, demanding that they admit that they really loved you all along.

3. Your ability to process fiction is incredibly rigid and linear, and any deviations from the expected cliches of a given genre confuse and enrage you. Somehow, you just now noticed that bioware has been playing with and deconstructing sci-fi tropes for the last 5 years.

So, which one is it?

+1:)


+100000000000:)

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 Your 3 choices describing me are not accurate. But like the mean il bioware YOU won't really listen to me if I did tell you why I liked it. You. Are. Just. Trolling. 


Do what BioWare did and pick the forth option.

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kbct wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

kbct wrote...

So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.


So.. You are actually happy about the DLC or??


No, I'm not happy about the DLC. I want the ending fixed, not clarified. If you follow the exchange from start to finish (maybe five exchanges) you'll understand what I was doing.


I suggest writing fan-fiction then posting it on the forum only to have half of the retake movement call you a ******.

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pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


Certainly not 1, I've played all three.
and for 2, although I can't stand the overreaction, I didn't read what people have to say about it until after I saw the ending, so it wasn't that either.
and 3 is just trolling, seriously... :/ I really didn't like Dragon Age 2 at all and thought, although it did have its plus points (The characters and their banter, for example) overall it destroyed everything that made DA:O a good game, not to mention being a bad game in its own right. So if you actually want to have an inteligent discussion, get over yourself.

But "why" I like the ending isn't really a valid question to begin with. I can try to answer but what you are asking is based on a false premise: That disliking the ending is default, is natural, and that liking it requires something else. On the contrary I would say the only ones that need to define why they feel the way they do are the people that dislike it (And they have been), as someone who liked it... just liked it. If someone said, "Its the best ending ever!" Then certainly they would need ot have reasons. Bu no-one (to my knowledge) is saying that.

So as to why I liked the ending- I picked destroy, btw, and got the breath as well- eveyrthing I wanted tied up was already tied up. I wanted to know what ends up happening between the geth and the quarians. I wanted to know if the genophage would get cured or not. I wanted to know if the rachni really were genocidal or not. These questions were answered for me, and I didn't need to see a checklist of my descisions in the ending to reiterate them. I was already shown. So this common complaint that "choices didn't matter" doesn't really mean anything to me, because the choices I made mattered hugely: The quarians and geth were at peice, the rachni were given yet another chance to survive, the genophage was cured and a wiser leadership was installed for them.

As for the star child, I never saw the issue here. We talk to an ancient prothean hologram AI (twice) and its fine. We talk to an ancient holographic reaper AI and suddenly, I'm expected to think it doesn't make sense? I guess it didn't sit that way with me, he was just a reaper AI. And I understood is logic just fine- kill the advanced organics, so they won't wipe out all organics- but disagreed with him. I didn't need a dialougue wheel to tell me I could disagree: I simply blew him and his entire race up, even though he told me it was the wrong option. I can't think of a bigger "NOPE" to send to him. As for him looking like "the kid"... well the in the geth mainframe, shepard interpreted the programs based on his own perception, rather then what they actually looked like. If the Geth can do it, or if shepard can do it when percieving the geth, I have no doubt reapers can easily have the same effect (not to mention we already know they can have direct effects on the human mind without any kind of physical conneciton, which the geth needed, so that isn't an issue either).

As for all endings being the same, just like I don't care what you thought about the ending to impact what I thought about the ending, I really don't care what ending you got to impact what ending I got. Its a non-issue. It hurts replayability, I think- but honestly after beating the game I just youtube'd the other endings anyway. And besides, the implications of "what comes next" (which to me is a good, which I'll mention in a second) is different enough for everyone, redarless of if they spell it out for you or not.

As for the future being left ambiguous, this is a positive trait to me, and the best kinds of endings. Everything I wanted answered was answered, and everything I wanted to do I did. A monumental change takes place and the future is wide open for a whole new story(s) to take place. I love to think about what might happen to all those races- Food isn't an issue and I'm not sure where people get this idea (I mean not only could they infinitly recycle food on the citidel, but we dont know anything about the support industries in the mass efefct universe). Plus the entire "everyone is going to DIIIEEE" premise kinda relies on ignoring the fact that the most advanced team of pan-species engineers and scientists to ever be asempled is still right there with the manpower of however many fleets. The destruction of the relays reshapes the entire universe in so many different ways, but to be honest, the protheans built a relay and we have an archive full of their Deus Ex machines right there on mars so... its a temporary setback at best, which is disapointing to me. Its such a great story peice at the end there to think about it and what it means, but realistically I have a feeling the effect won't actually be that great.

So sure all the species are there together and I bet they have some bones to grind with eachother, considering it was an emergancy alliance and their common foe is gone. Will they get along, or will the galaxy just repeat itself? There will be a lot of challenges ahead of them but that's the only kind of ending I'd be satisfied with.

Do I think it was a perfect ending? No. What was the normandy doing? But eh, I get what theyw ere going for and its not like "AUUGHH THE ENTIRE TRILOGY IS GARBAGE NOW!!!". I'm not sure where they landed or why, but again I'm failing to see how its implied they're all going to starve and die, especially considering FTL still works, as well as FTL communication (which never relied on the relays). In fact when they end by staring at the clear sky I have trouble trying to percieve it as anything but an indication of optimism. I didn't get "They crashed!" out of it, I got "They survived!". It was shoehorned in a little weird, but I get the message.

And then after it all, shepard survived somehow. I didn't see that coming, especially given the running theme of sacrifice. But to be honest, I think shepard deserves to finally "win", so I liked it.

So really, it was something of a formulaic ending, kinda "by the book", the hero blows up all the bad guys and saves the galaxy, but it did just what it needed to do, and I thought it was fine. I ended the game in a great mood and I liked what I saw.

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Kingofthebonggo wrote...

kbct wrote...

No, I'm not happy about the DLC. I want the ending fixed, not clarified. If you follow the exchange from start to finish (maybe five exchanges) you'll understand what I was doing.


I suggest writing fan-fiction then posting it on the forum only to have half of the retake movement call you a ******.


I guess it would depend on the quality of the fan-fiction. Some is well received.

By the way, I read your post. At least you thanked the Retake movement for the DLC we did get. I haven't heard that much. Actually, it was the first time.

Modifié par kbct, 06 avril 2012 - 09:25 .


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Kingofthebonggo wrote...

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


1) Nope, imported and have played 1 six times and 2 three times - started when the original came out in 2006.

2) I am annoyed by people who feel they deserve brand spanking new endings but respect people's opinions if they criticize in a civil manner. It's when insults and trolling for retake occurs that I get irked and troll back. The epilogue is fantastic and I do have retake to thank for that, but I'm also happy that the ending sequence isn't just being scrapped like some people would like. The bottom line is that too many people want too many different things that not everyone can be satisfied. I think that the epilogue is the best way to address the majority of the concerns for the fan base. Heck, even some retakers who are angry at the concept of clarity only may find that the epilogue is everything they wanted in the first place. No one knows exactly what will change but I trust Bioware to do a good job. (For the record I considered the end to be the entire game as all the threads, genophage etc..., were resolved at different points of the game - not all at once in the final cutscene)

3) Oh wait you're a troll...all I can say is that it must really suck to be you. I can't imagine what it would feel like to have the ME series tarnished so badly that you spend time trolling people because you cannot let go of the fact that the ending wasn't what you expected. I hope you have fun resenting the developers that gave you an incredible 150+ hour long journey only to think less of the the whole thing because of 10 minutes. I on the other hand will play MP and stock credits in preparation for the Resurgence Pack drop on the 10th.

To pixelface and his fellow trolls - I hope you can eventually get over it. Likely you just need another ME game to come out so you can buy that and then rage about it :devil:

(And if anyone accuses me of trolling they obviously didn't read my response to #2 - ZING)

nah, i don't feel any rage towards the bioware employees at all, i just didn't like the ending, i wanted to find out how other people felt too so i came to the forums, and then i wanted to find out why some people did like it, that is all. 

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thedosbox wrote...

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Then don't download it if you don't like how it was attained.

If I have a choice, I won't.  See how easy it is to make a claim of standing on principle? B)


Cool. However, you just said you were gonna "asolutely" download it because you "recognize that the remaining 99% of the game was great fun, and am happy to extend that experience."

Okay, dosbox. We'll see if you a man of your word.


You missed my edit - as inspired by what happened with the "dedicated serviers" furor with CoD: http://www.rockpaper...otts-seriously/

Point being, promises are nothing on the internet.  What were you going to do if I confessed to downloading it Mr Tough Internet Guy?  Spank me? :police:

Now, I am expecting there will be playable DLC, and fully intend to download that.

Modifié par thedosbox, 06 avril 2012 - 09:28 .