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[Feardain]

1: I own all the games, and have played 1 and 2 at least 4 separate times.
2: No, I still am not over the disaster that was DA2.
3. Hell no, I didn't like the ending at first myself. How ever, I went back and replayed the games looking closely at the hints that would lead to the ending. the ending was a logical outcome. all 3 of them.

[Tishiro88]

is is not the happy eneding I wanted Shepard lives with his romance galatic community survives Krogan,Quarian, and Geth Join the Council)

but really it is a happy eneding the reapers are stioped the chain of billlions upon billions dieing is over that is a happy ending in it owe right but the victory had sacrifices.

I have only plaed 1 somewhere between 10 and 20 times same for 2 and only beat 3 3 times.

Modifié par Tishiro88, 06 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Lucie_J24]

Ah, the ending...
I would like to know those who really loved the ending and actually completely understood it !

That said, I didn't hate it, I even kind of liked it, except that I didn't really understood everything.
The reason I liked it is that, as it has alreay been said, wars are never happy. Wars are often sad and marked by death and sacrifice. So Shepard death souldn't come as something so suprising or even offensive.
But sure, I understand that this is a video game, not real life, so that they could have made an effort...

And then there is the whole complaint about it. Well, it's not a matter of a choice between Bioware or the fans, it's more that it's sad to see so much people just demanding something that they have no control over. What I mean is, you can be frustrated and disappointed by this ending, and you can explain this to Bioware, but then what Bioware does is not up to you. What I'm saying, and badly, sorry, is to respect things that sometime we have no control over. I find that kind of nice of Bioware to add the DLC Extended Cut, they had no obligation to do so.

That said, even if I liked the ending, I found it incomprehensible. Everything is rushed at the end, and then there is one or two cutscenes, and then oups, the credits ! So yes, an explanation would be nice : it will be by a DLC, but two lines of Casey Hudson would have been enough for me too.
(I only finished the game once, I'm currently replaying it, so maybe next time I'll understand it !)

To conclude and answer the original question : of the three choices :
1. I played the three ME so of course I imported my choices !
2. Already answered in length (and NO I'm not siding with Bioware, and I'm not angry with the fans, I'm just saddened by them, and I don't quite grasp the magnitude of their reaction).
3. No, I'm not easily satisfied. I just don't throw a tantrum each time I'm kind of disappointed...Life is hard. Suck it up guys.

And please, those of you who actually hated the ending and complained about it, don't take offense. You are entitled to your opinions. Respect mine.

Modifié par Lucie_J24, 06 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[AlanC9]

What qualifies as "liking" the ending for purposes of this thread? I've played far worse endings than ME3's. KotOR2 and the NWN2 OC come to mind, for instance. By comparison ME3 was just kinda "meh" rather than outright horrible.

[Darth_Atreyu]

Cobra5 wrote...

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?

Certainly not 1, I've played all three.
and for 2, although I can't stand the overreaction, I didn't read what people have to say about it until after I saw the ending, so it wasn't that either.
and 3 is just trolling, seriously... :/ I really didn't like Dragon Age 2 at all and thought, although it did have its plus points (The characters and their banter, for example) overall it destroyed everything that made DA:O a good game, not to mention being a bad game in its own right. So if you actually want to have an inteligent discussion, get over yourself.

But "why" I like the ending isn't really a valid question to begin with. I can try to answer but what you are asking is based on a false premise: That disliking the ending is default, is natural, and that liking it requires something else. On the contrary I would say the only ones that need to define why they feel the way they do are the people that dislike it (And they have been), as someone who liked it... just liked it. If someone said, "Its the best ending ever!" Then certainly they would need ot have reasons. Bu no-one (to my knowledge) is saying that.

So as to why I liked the ending- I picked destroy, btw, and got the breath as well- eveyrthing I wanted tied up was already tied up. I wanted to know what ends up happening between the geth and the quarians. I wanted to know if the genophage would get cured or not. I wanted to know if the rachni really were genocidal or not. These questions were answered for me, and I didn't need to see a checklist of my descisions in the ending to reiterate them. I was already shown. So this common complaint that "choices didn't matter" doesn't really mean anything to me, because the choices I made mattered hugely: The quarians and geth were at peice, the rachni were given yet another chance to survive, the genophage was cured and a wiser leadership was installed for them.

As for the star child, I never saw the issue here. We talk to an ancient prothean hologram AI (twice) and its fine. We talk to an ancient holographic reaper AI and suddenly, I'm expected to think it doesn't make sense? I guess it didn't sit that way with me, he was just a reaper AI. And I understood is logic just fine- kill the advanced organics, so they won't wipe out all organics- but disagreed with him. I didn't need a dialougue wheel to tell me I could disagree: I simply blew him and his entire race up, even though he told me it was the wrong option. I can't think of a bigger "NOPE" to send to him. As for him looking like "the kid"... well the in the geth mainframe, shepard interpreted the programs based on his own perception, rather then what they actually looked like. If the Geth can do it, or if shepard can do it when percieving the geth, I have no doubt reapers can easily have the same effect (not to mention we already know they can have direct effects on the human mind without any kind of physical conneciton, which the geth needed, so that isn't an issue either).

As for all endings being the same, just like I don't care what you thought about the ending to impact what I thought about the ending, I really don't care what ending you got to impact what ending I got. Its a non-issue. It hurts replayability, I think- but honestly after beating the game I just youtube'd the other endings anyway. And besides, the implications of "what comes next" (which to me is a good, which I'll mention in a second) is different enough for everyone, redarless of if they spell it out for you or not.

As for the future being left ambiguous, this is a positive trait to me, and the best kinds of endings. Everything I wanted answered was answered, and everything I wanted to do I did. A monumental change takes place and the future is wide open for a whole new story(s) to take place. I love to think about what might happen to all those races- Food isn't an issue and I'm not sure where people get this idea (I mean not only could they infinitly recycle food on the citidel, but we dont know anything about the support industries in the mass efefct universe). Plus the entire "everyone is going to DIIIEEE" premise kinda relies on ignoring the fact that the most advanced team of pan-species engineers and scientists to ever be asempled is still right there with the manpower of however many fleets. The destruction of the relays reshapes the entire universe in so many different ways, but to be honest, the protheans built a relay and we have an archive full of their Deus Ex machines right there on mars so... its a temporary setback at best, which is disapointing to me. Its such a great story peice at the end there to think about it and what it means, but realistically I have a feeling the effect won't actually be that great.

So sure all the species are there together and I bet they have some bones to grind with eachother, considering it was an emergancy alliance and their common foe is gone. Will they get along, or will the galaxy just repeat itself? There will be a lot of challenges ahead of them but that's the only kind of ending I'd be satisfied with.

Do I think it was a perfect ending? No. What was the normandy doing? But eh, I get what theyw ere going for and its not like "AUUGHH THE ENTIRE TRILOGY IS GARBAGE NOW!!!". I'm not sure where they landed or why, but again I'm failing to see how its implied they're all going to starve and die, especially considering FTL still works, as well as FTL communication (which never relied on the relays). In fact when they end by staring at the clear sky I have trouble trying to percieve it as anything but an indication of optimism. I didn't get "They crashed!" out of it, I got "They survived!". It was shoehorned in a little weird, but I get the message.

And then after it all, shepard survived somehow. I didn't see that coming, especially given the running theme of sacrifice. But to be honest, I think shepard deserves to finally "win", so I liked it.

So really, it was something of a formulaic ending, kinda "by the book", the hero blows up all the bad guys and saves the galaxy, but it did just what it needed to do, and I thought it was fine. I ended the game in a great mood and I liked what I saw.

+1:)

[kbct]

thedosbox wrote...

Point being, promises are nothing on the internet.  What were you going to do if I confessed to downloading it?

Nothing. You can go back on your statement. The only person that will know if you did is you.

You said you wouldn't download the DLC based on principle. Let's see if you keep your word. It hypocritical to berate the people that complained about the ending and then enjoy the results of their efforts.

[kbct]

AlanC9 wrote...

What qualifies as "liking" the ending for purposes of this thread? I've played far worse endings than ME3's. KotOR2 and the NWN2 OC come to mind, for instance. By comparison ME3 was just kinda "meh" rather than outright horrible.

No, "meh" doesn't qualify as liking the ending.

[DevilBeast]

kbct wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

kbct wrote...

So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.

So.. You are actually happy about the DLC or??

No, I'm not happy about the DLC. I want the ending fixed, not clarified. If you follow the exchange from start to finish (maybe five exchanges) you'll understand what I was doing.

I did and it seemed like you think (can´t remember his name) should be grateful for the retake movement or something like that because it´s their fault the DLC is even being released. 

[metawanderer]

I liked the ending choices in the game. I really can't explain what is going on with why Joker is running way and how your squad makes it back to the Normandy. I will never say the ending is perfect but given the circumstances the ending could be much worse. I have been watching, reading, and playing Sci-fi fiction for close to 30 years now and I have experienced many disappointed and WTF endings. If you compare ME3's ending to other works you will see that the ending isn't really that bad.

[kbct]

DevilBeast wrote...

I did and it seemed like you think (can´t remember his name) should be grateful for the retake movement or something like that because it´s their fault the DLC is even being released. 

The reason we got the DLC we did is because people voiced their dissatification about the ending. Dosbox criticized the people voicing their displeasure yet still planned to play the DLC (which was the result of their displeasure). 

Now he says he won't play it based on principle. Heh, we'll see.

[VolusvsReaper]

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?

So you make this thread with the intentions of insulting people's intelligence and with being combative in mind? 

[AlanC9]

DevilBeast wrote...

kbct wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

kbct wrote...

So, you're welcome and enjoy your beer. While you were complaining about us, we were getting your DLC for you.

So.. You are actually happy about the DLC or??

No, I'm not happy about the DLC. I want the ending fixed, not clarified. If you follow the exchange from start to finish (maybe five exchanges) you'll understand what I was doing.

I did and it seemed like you think (can´t remember his name) should be grateful for the retake movement or something like that because it´s their fault the DLC is even being released. 

Which is reasonable. While all the emotional energy powering Retake seems to come from the push for new endings (and I strongly suspect desire for a "happy ending," despite the constant pronouncements that this isn't the issue), the final effect is likely going to satisfy the clarification folks rather than Retake as a whole.

[pixelface]

VolusvsReaper wrote...

pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?

So you make this thread with the intentions of insulting people's intelligence and with being combative in mind? 

man, i guess this thread really did come out like the mass effect 3 ending, i wasn't hoping for that but what ever. 

[DevilBeast]

kbct wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

I did and it seemed like you think (can´t remember his name) should be grateful for the retake movement or something like that because it´s their fault the DLC is even being released. 

The reason we got the DLC we did is because people voiced their dissatification about the ending. Dosbox criticized the people voicing their displeasure yet still planned to play the DLC (which was the result of their displeasure). 

Now he says he won't play it based on principle. Heh, we'll see.

Well, I for one am happy about the DLC announcement. So... Thank you retake

[Foryou]

Mr. C wrote...

I disliked the ending, but I dislike the overreaction to it more.

I love you

[pixelface]

man, this discussions about the endings have consumed my life for the last 3 days, i guess i'm done here, i'll be back in the summer.

[thedosbox]

kbct wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Point being, promises are nothing on the internet.  What were you going to do if I confessed to downloading it?

Nothing. You can go back on your statement. The only person that will know if you did is you.

You said you wouldn't download the DLC based on principle. Let's see if you keep your word. It hypocritical to berate the people that complained about the ending and then enjoy the results of their efforts.

Um, I said no such thing.  What I did say was I wouldn't bother to download it.  Then pointed out how easy it is to make a promise - giving the example of people who say they won't download it because additional cinematics weren't what they wanted.

Interesting that you chose to cut out the quote that mentioned that, but hey, we're all entitled to our rhetorical flourishes.

[Vincent-Vega]

Wow OP, that's pretty arrogant.
So according to your post everyone who likes the ending is either
1. not a "true" fan
2. just supporting bioware out of pity
3. just not as smart as you and everyone else who dislike the ending or just blindly accepting crap without questioning it.

To answer your question though, I didn't like the ending, but every time I read a post like yours or another "Bioware, give us what we want", my sympathy for bioware increases a little

[olf1]

I myself didn't hate the ending simply because I was preparing for much worse after seeing so much hate for it.The beautiful music, Anderson dying scene and your last talks with you squadmates made up for it. Although I was hoping for something super epic, suicide mission or some other epic song playing in the background and actually seeing some of your war assets and friends fighting

[vertigo72]

I don't know, I just liked it. I was very very affraid of a hollywod happy crap (they have a tradition of that, things like "little meramaid" or "Anna Karenina" or disney translations japanese anime, etc. that got a happy-end to match us audience)
I think it could be done better, mostly longer. Well, there will be this DLC now.

Oh, and a little bit of 2 of course.

Modifié par vertigo72, 06 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Bcoolpro]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

Honestly... I fail to see what's to like about the ending at all. At best it was anti-climactic and at worst it was contrived to say the least. That's why the defenders confound me. The ending in some respects reminded me of Star Trek V's ending in a sense. There's a huge buildup that is destroyed by an anti-climax. 

If all the Crucible did was blow up the Reapers then how is that less anti-climactic?  100+ hours of gameplay all leading up to Shepard pressing a button?

To answer the OP's question it's none of the above.  I've played Mass Effect since it the first game was released.  As ME3 progressed I was thinking that we didn't really understand what the Reapers were doing, what the Crucible would do or what the catalyst was... so I wan't surprised when the answers turned out to be something different then I expected.  In the end I thought it was a decent piece of subversive writing and I still enjoyed it.

[thedosbox]

[edit] never mind

Modifié par thedosbox, 07 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[kbct]

thedosbox wrote...

kbct wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Point being, promises are nothing on the internet.  What were you going to do if I confessed to downloading it?

Nothing. You can go back on your statement. The only person that will know if you did is you.

You said you wouldn't download the DLC based on principle. Let's see if you keep your word. It hypocritical to berate the people that complained about the ending and then enjoy the results of their efforts.

Go read the post again.  Are you so desperate to make a point that you have to put words into other peoples mouths?

I'm done. People can read what you wrote and what I wrote and form their own conclusion.

[Link Ashland 614]

I actually liked it for the lack of answers, the depressing future for all, and Shepard small scene after one specific choice.
Also, the choice presented were very hard for me, even if I didn't see what happens around the galaxy after choosing.