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Débuté par pixelface , avril 06 2012 07:35

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:23

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

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I'm smart enough to realize no matter what explanation I give you, you will continue raging and trolling. You are the reason why Retake is slowly going down hill. Your rudeness, arrogance, and down-right childish behavior keep you from achieving better. 

I can ask you another question in return. Why make such a big fuss over the ending? Let me break it down in the same snide way you did to us:

1) You must be a lonely ****** that is out of touch with reality
2) You care just a bit too much
3) You are just another bandwagon sheep who can't form his/her own thoughts and likes


Did I pidgeon-hole you in too much?

I like the ending because I liked what it did for my story, and the way it made me feel when it was over. Done.

1. my reality is to good to be lonely or dark or sad or anything
2. Lol maybe
3.Nah, i was here just as this whole thing started, no bandwagon yet, and i do  have my own thoughts.
No pidgeon holling and you actually answered my original question, cool.

IN response to first sentence, or maybe dumb enough. What follows is a response to everything else.
I am not a true retaker i am a bit more aggresive. And you get your judgement from where now, i do not recall seeing you before.
Just watch one of those top ten reason the ending sucks and you will know why it is a big deal, i don't feel like listing them right now. 

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:25

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

I was referring to his opening post where he acted like an arrogant ******, and of superior intellect for not liking the end. 


Yes, he was not encouraging. Still, the pro-enders should shut the OP down with a solid answer as to why they liked the ending.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:32

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kbct wrote...

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Only 2% here like the ending as-is.


Shocking news. You only find intelligent the opinions that agree with you. 

Wow. Whoever could have seen that one coming.


Yup, only 1 out 49 people liked the ending as-is. Congratulations.


I think a lot of the pro-enders are quiet because they are being ripped apart on these forums. It's like rattling a nest of angry hornets.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:32

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While the OP's intent was clear from the start, the sheer arrogance and sanctimonious attitude of people going off on him is absolutely amazing.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:33

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kbct wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

I was referring to his opening post where he acted like an arrogant ******, and of superior intellect for not liking the end. 


Yes, he was not encouraging. Still, the pro-enders should shut the OP down with a solid answer as to why they liked the ending.



I liked the dark nature of the ending. I like the theme at the end that you are just a small grain of sand, and all your past decisions cannot change anything and everything, just like reality. We are small grains of sand in all of the universe, and everything we do day to day, even raising a child has no real implications in the long run. Our galaxy will die, our sun will explode and the universe will expand. The ending had that kind of feel to it. 

In the end, I did get to control the Reapers ( so there was that game-y touch/feel of actually being able to do something for once) and there was hope at the end with a new civilization being formed on another planet some where far. Maybe with the reaper tech we now control, we can build a better future/re build mass relays or fix them. 

Thats why I like it. This is probably not enough for you however, as allt he nitpicky things are still there. 

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:34

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1. Played all 3, at least twice.

2. A bit, yeah, because there is no real justifications at the massive rage and QQ Bioware got.
That being said, I hate DLC with a passion, and, as opposed to the other poster up there, I think Javik should never have been put in the game. It's just too far-stretched to have a living Prothean. I also hated SWtOR, which is one of the worst MMO hands down. Also didn't even bother with DA2.
Yet since I feared ME3 would follow the same path, I was so relieved by the fact it didn't that I can't understand why anyone would be so angry.

3. I don't think I am easily satisfied. ME3 wasn't lacking in the actual endings and the final choice. Actually they were very well executed and the simple fact a lot of people are convinced the choices were inverted is proof enough. Those endings get you thinking about the fact that everything you've done only lead you to a very, very, very small step, a sand grain in the great machinery of the universe, and yet, this would make a difference. Shepard was nobody, in the end, in regard to time, but yet he changed things. Forever. By simply terminating a cosmic cycle once and for all. Well, only if you went green ending, actually, as the two others were only labelled as "temporary" solution to the whole Advanced-Organics-make-Synthetics, Synthetics-rebel-and kill-all-Organics-even-non-advanced problem.
Previous choices do not matter. You know gamebooks? Where you jumped back and forth to get to the number you're told to go? Sometimes you make choices, they change the immediate or later story. But the end is always the same number. That's what I feel Mass Effect is. Can't tell a lot of games are doing that.
Since all of ME3 got that underlying depressive tone, hell even ME1 and 2 had it ( nobody ever believes you, you always fight alone against all odds, nothing changes up to when it will be too late ), I didn't see how the ending was out of place.
Ok, I will throw anti-enders a bone, as the London mission was a bit weak and lacked a massive Epic Breath ( ME1 final mission was better-executed ). But that's all.
As I stated somewhere else, too, I wasn't annoyed by the Starchild. My biggest "wtf" moment was actually Liara unveiling the discovery, right at the beginning, of a "forgotten secret weapon found in the Mars Prothean archives". Well THAT was convenient !

If anything, I hate the Indoctrination Theory, which would :
1/ Make only the red ending canon, which I can't bring myself to like. I kill the Geth, here. Geths were my drinking buddies. Can't do that, no siree sir.
2/ Mean ME3 just don't have a ending. I prefer a lame ending to no ending at all "and please get the dlc to have the ending". No. Just. No.
3/ Be very, very poorly introduced. If they wanted Shepard indoctrinated, they should have done it sooner. Just throwing it in here at the end "lol by the way this was all a dream 'cause you got insta-indoctrinated" is meh. And would tip the disappointment in the other direction.

So, in the end, I feel like asking for NEW endings is just a very bad idea, and a very bad thing altogether. Asking for more closure? Maybe tell us how everyone ended after the events, even if I felt that not knowing was, like, "I've done my part, keep going, mates!" ? Yeah, I can agree on that. I actually suspected EA had planned all along to deliver this within a DLC, and I still believe the Extended Ending DLC IS the planned DLC, only free because/thanks to the Retake ME movement. I would never have bought it, DLCs should disappear from the face of Earth forever.
But EA won something : they made players ASKED for a DLC.
Which is another reason why I couldn't agree with the movement in the first place.

You clearly have a different idea of ME than i do, respectable though that you did not give anyone crap for asking, but this is partially agreeable though. Death to DLC's!!!!!!!!!

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:35

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Eriene wrote...

kbct wrote...

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kbct wrote...

Only 2% here like the ending as-is.


Shocking news. You only find intelligent the opinions that agree with you. 

Wow. Whoever could have seen that one coming.


Yup, only 1 out 49 people liked the ending as-is. Congratulations.


I think a lot of the pro-enders are quiet because they are being ripped apart on these forums. It's like rattling a nest of angry hornets.


No most of us really don't have enough emotional rage and passion for a mere 10 min. Also, most of us aren't on these forums either. 

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:36

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Arsenic Touch wrote...

While the OP's intent was clear from the start, the sheer arrogance and sanctimonious attitude of people going off on him is absolutely amazing.


So, OP's sheer arrogance and sanctimony = okay. People calling him out on it = not okay. 

Is that the position you're taking?

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:38

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Eriene wrote...

kbct wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

kbct wrote...

Only 2% here like the ending as-is.


Shocking news. You only find intelligent the opinions that agree with you. 

Wow. Whoever could have seen that one coming.


Yup, only 1 out 49 people liked the ending as-is. Congratulations.


I think a lot of the pro-enders are quiet because they are being ripped apart on these forums. It's like rattling a nest of angry hornets.


No most of us really don't have enough emotional rage and passion for a mere 10 min. Also, most of us aren't on these forums either. 


That too. It's difficult to go by statistics being shown on the forums. Some probably see no reason to lurk here if they're satisfied and have nothing to talk about. :P

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:39

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Here is a fairly detailed explanation of why someone liked it sly guy. I don't agree with it all but it is the kind of genuine response you seem to be looking for.

http://social.biowar...11037062-1.html

kbct - where are you getting that 1out of 49 people like the ending? From the biased sample, self volunteered poll on the bsn that around 100k of the 2 million-ish people who bought the game participated in? So can I say that 90 out of 100 people who bought the game didn't feel strongly enough about it either way to be bothered to come to a forum and vote in an online poll?

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:40

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

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I was referring to his opening post where he acted like an arrogant ******, and of superior intellect for not liking the end. 

My openning post? what was arrogant or smart-assy about that.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:43

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brian1821 wrote...

Here is a fairly detailed explanation of why someone liked it sly guy. I don't agree with it all but it is the kind of genuine response you seem to be looking for.

http://social.biowar...11037062-1.html

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Saw that before, i just can't read it, the text wall is... intimidating to look at.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:43

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

I liked the dark nature of the ending. I like the theme at the end that you are just a small grain of sand, and all your past decisions cannot change anything and everything, just like reality. We are small grains of sand in all of the universe, and everything we do day to day, even raising a child has no real implications in the long run. Our galaxy will die, our sun will explode and the universe will expand. The ending had that kind of feel to it. 

In the end, I did get to control the Reapers ( so there was that game-y touch/feel of actually being able to do something for once) and there was hope at the end with a new civilization being formed on another planet some where far. Maybe with the reaper tech we now control, we can build a better future/re build mass relays or fix them. 

Thats why I like it. This is probably not enough for you however, as allt he nitpicky things are still there. 


I disagree, but I'm okay with that, OutlawTorn6806. Dark is the theme. At least you have the guts to answer. Bravo.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:45

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Also, most of us aren't on these forums either. 


You should be. BSN is a forum for people that like BioWare games. Unfortunately, ME3 bucked the trend.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:45

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slyguy200 wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

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I was referring to his opening post where he acted like an arrogant ******, and of superior intellect for not liking the end. 

My openning post? what was arrogant or smart-assy about that.


My bad, I accidentally wrote ''opening'', I meant that post where you called his/her logic dumb or illegitimate. 

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:50

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I wasnt very angry with the endings i didnt like them but i wasnt mad but when i looked through old interviews and this vid

i got so pissed i could not stand that they lied this much and now that i got lied to i want them to set it right and not e so prideful to admit they lied or to even address the lies they told i would be happy i they just explained these lies

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:50

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

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I was referring to his opening post where he acted like an arrogant ******, and of superior intellect for not liking the end. 

My openning post? what was arrogant or smart-assy about that.


My bad, I accidentally wrote ''opening'', I meant that post where you called his/her logic dumb or illegitimate. 

I was just trying to explain why i did not remember anything. He never gave me an explanation worth remembering,

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:51

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slyguy200 wrote...
You clearly have a different idea of ME than i do, respectable though that you did not give anyone crap for asking, but this is partially agreeable though. Death to DLC's!!!!!!!!!


Death to DLCs indeed!
But I don't see why I should be giving crap to anyone for asking. I mean, pro and anti enders won't ever find an agreement, I think. It's rare enough that one side ask for explanations from the other side. So when given the polite opportunity to speak, why shouldn't I ? ;)

I read a lot of explanations about how "the endings were okay, but a lot of points were still shadowy at best. We want more closure, more explanations!"
This, I could agree with. Changing the endings, I couldn't understand. 
The DLC which is meant to bring said closure is announced, and now every anti-enders is suddenly saying "Not what I wanted, Closure is not enough, I wanted another, alternate ending".
Woah, Woah! What's the hold-up? You were saying X and when you're given X you're suddenly asking for Y ?

There are serious anti-enders with valid opinions out there. I have a friend who didn't gave a crap about the endings, he found them ok, but he had concerns about the London mission, lacking epic breath. I agree with that. 
Unicorns and Rainbows ending, though, I can't.

In the end, I was sort of agreeing with the "closure" dlc, which would have been a good agreement between pro and anti enders. Not changing the ending, not making new endings "cannon", while at the same time giving more meaning to them. But now some anti-enders suddenly bring something new to the table, something that they were maybe ashamed to aknowledge in the first place They want a super-mega-happy-ending-<3

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:52

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kbct wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Also, most of us aren't on these forums either. 


You should be. BSN is a forum for people that like BioWare games. Unfortunately, ME3 bucked the trend.


People who like something are usually not that passionate about sticking around a hateful area, unless it was something worth fighting for like...lets say.. Civil Rights. This on the other hand, its just too much effort, and for what? To change a few minds here and there? To say, hey, it wasn't bad? Who will listen? When it rains it pours. People after a while just got beligerent. Nearly every. little. thing. just blew them  up! How many rational people would stick around or even care? There is just all around too much aggression and hatefullness. Someone started a vitriolic thread the other day about how the gun sounds were too ''crap'' and bioware should be fired for it, and it just kept steamrolling till it was closed. I mean, its just gotten out of hand. Its just a raging mob now. Anything and everyting will set them off, even if its so damn small and meaningless. 

ME3 is such a damn game, this lot is really taking away so much more than it is giving. Damn shame for the game and the team that made it. 

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:53

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People who liked the ending are ****ing retarded, period!

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:55

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Stealth3 wrote...

People who liked the ending are ****ing retarded, period!


*slow clap*

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:56

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The Razman wrote...

Because it was beautifully emotional and contained a wonderful irony regarding the nature of the Reapers, maybe?

It would be easier to get involved in the thread if you didn't pose your question in a "the only reason I can think of for you liking the ending is if you're stupid" way.


Oh look, more circular logic while giving no answers.

Welcome to this thread as well Razman, I can't wait to see you avoid any factual reasoning or give any straight answers.

OP: Why did you like ending?

Razman: It's BEEUTIFUL, also, you are biased and therefore in defect.

Just ONCE I wish I could see you or anyone else who approves of the ending EXPLAIN away all the plot holes, broken promises, inconsistencies and sloppy writing. JUST ONCE.

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 03:56

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Stealth3 wrote...

People who liked the ending are ****ing retarded, period!


Exhibit A.

And, reported. 

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 04:02

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pixelface wrote...

Let me start by saying that I did not like the ending myself, but I however am trying to understand other point of view,
and the only explanations that i see possible are that 
1. you only bought mass effect 3, and did not import your choices from the previous games.
2. you are angry at the fans for hating bioware so you sided with them.
3. you are easily satisfied with anything presented to you.
so, which one is it? or do you have a different reason?


Loved the ending.

1) Own all three, imported into 2 and 3.

2) Not angry, just disappointed and embarrassed by the fan reaction.

3) Not easily satisfied.

I didn't take the ending at face-value, and the the indoctrination attempt in the final sequence seemed completely obvious to me while playing through the ending.  I thought it was very well done, then I came online, saw how all the haters of the ending appeared to be indoctrinated by it just like Shepard, and was blown away at how Bioware pulled off this type of interactive story-telling.  Best ending ever in my book.  Just my opinion.  Not any more or less valid than anyone elses.

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 07 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

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Posté 07 avril 2012 - 04:02

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OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

People who liked the ending are ****ing retarded, period!


Exhibit A.

And, reported. 


Ah yes, my favorite dropdown option of category to choose when reporting someone: "This Person dislikes others"

indeed. I shall report him as well. Good show sirrah!

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Gimme a fu**ing break....
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