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[DivinusErus]

Yeah. Pass judgement on something we know almost nothing about.

If they end up being overpowered in a side by side comparison with the current Krogan classes, I'm glad. Finally Krogan will be viable.

[Stardusk]

sirnumbskull wrote...

Krogan have no back-roll. If you play vanguard on silver and above, you realize that without dodges you can't blitzkrieg a heavy target. They might make a good mid-to-low tier enemy killer, though.

Well, with luck they won't be OP. One of the reasons I championed the Krogan Soldier was the challenge and to show people how cool it could be, so once people start complaining about how much the Krogan Vanguard sucks I might have a reason to like it.

[Lexa_D]

yeah, let him better suck like the rest, right, OP?

[Stardusk]

DivinusErus wrote...

Yeah. Pass judgement on something we know almost nothing about.

If they end up being overpowered in a side by side comparison with the current Krogan classes, I'm glad. Finally Krogan will be viable.

Krogan are already viable.

[hector000]

am i the only one who thinks they need a buff?

[Axialbloom]

They will just get stun-locked after charging and die.

[VikingDream]

hmm I can't wait to make a pink krogan fly through the air =D melee stuff till barrier is low then fly some more it will be EPIC

[DivinusErus]

Stardusk wrote...

DivinusErus wrote...

Yeah. Pass judgement on something we know almost nothing about.

If they end up being overpowered in a side by side comparison with the current Krogan classes, I'm glad. Finally Krogan will be viable.

Krogan are already viable.

Sure, fun times on Bronze. 

[str8pimpin6]

Lets just see how often he's used on Gold... No roll, go ahead and charge in then get downed.

[HippyGiJoe]

Omg i think we need a nerf on Krogan Vanguard, he is way to OP.

[Stardusk]

DivinusErus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

DivinusErus wrote...

Yeah. Pass judgement on something we know almost nothing about.

If they end up being overpowered in a side by side comparison with the current Krogan classes, I'm glad. Finally Krogan will be viable.

Krogan are already viable.

Sure, fun times on Bronze. 

No, on Gold, very viable. You just need to know how to play them right.

[tvih]

Well, keeping up Barrier for the damage reduction means one can't endlessly spam Charge. But recharging 1600 shields with 30-60% damage reduction is still very nice I'd certainly say it'll be better at meleeing things than soldier/sentinel because of that. Lacks AoE grenade outside of releasing Barrier, but I tend to forget to use nades anyway. Regardless, still probably going to be lackluster for Gold.

[Iodine]

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to even mention, but yeah, 1600 shields with 40% damage reduction (works out to what, ~2500 effect barriers, 2000 effective health?), with a negligible cooldown penalty (3.08 seconds -> ~3.5 or so). Even without barrier, 1600 shields every 3.08 seconds as well as invincibility frames to dodge all major attacks = tankiest tank, on Gold as easily as Bronze.

Note: Every calculation is just a very rough guess based on similar past calculations and used only for approximate examples, not a perfect dissertation on theoretical krogan tanking physics and dynamics.

Modifié par Iodine, 06 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Stardusk]

Iodine wrote...

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to even mention, but yeah, 1600 shields with 40% damage reduction (works out to what, ~2500 effect barriers, 2000 effective health?), with a negligible cooldown penalty (3.08 seconds -> ~3.5 or so). Even without barrier, 1600 shields every 3.08 seconds as well as invincibility frames to dodge all major attacks = tankiest tank, on Gold as easily as Bronze.

Plus they will be shotgun specialists as well.

[tvih]

It's not 40%, like I said it's 30-60% when maxed for that, with rage off/on.

You're still not likely gonna carry your Claymore to battle with the Battlemaster though. I reckon I'll be rocking my Disciple V or Carnifex III.

[DivinusErus]

Stardusk wrote...

DivinusErus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

DivinusErus wrote...

Yeah. Pass judgement on something we know almost nothing about.

If they end up being overpowered in a side by side comparison with the current Krogan classes, I'm glad. Finally Krogan will be viable.

Krogan are already viable.

Sure, fun times on Bronze. 

No, on Gold, very viable. You just need to know how to play them right.

Yeah, but that has less to do with Krogan, and more to do with general skill. 

You can make anything viable, if you're that good. 

But across the board, the "better classes" have a lower skill curve and are, in general, more viable. With the average player in mind. 

[thecrunked]

Hearing "For Tuchanka" will be a nice change of pace while my vanguard is stuck in the floor or flying away in the skybox then what the current choices are

[Kronner]

Iodine wrote...

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to even mention, but yeah, 1600 shields with 40% damage reduction (works out to what, ~2500 effect barriers, 2000 effective health?), with a negligible cooldown penalty (3.08 seconds -> ~3.5 or so). Even without barrier, 1600 shields every 3.08 seconds as well as invincibility frames to dodge all major attacks = tankiest tank, on Gold as easily as Bronze.

Note: Every calculation is just a very rough guess based on similar past calculations and used only for approximate examples, not a perfect dissertation on theoretical krogan tanking physics and dynamics.

Nova - 1.5 seconds of immnuity to damage
Double Nova - 3s of immnuity to damage 
Charge - 50% damage resistance for 4 seconds after every Charge

That's the human Vanguard.

Krogan Vanguard will NOT be a better tank than human Vanguard. It's just not possible.

This whole thread is a joke. And not a good one.

[Stardusk]

Kronner wrote...

Iodine wrote...

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to even mention, but yeah, 1600 shields with 40% damage reduction (works out to what, ~2500 effect barriers, 2000 effective health?), with a negligible cooldown penalty (3.08 seconds -> ~3.5 or so). Even without barrier, 1600 shields every 3.08 seconds as well as invincibility frames to dodge all major attacks = tankiest tank, on Gold as easily as Bronze.

Note: Every calculation is just a very rough guess based on similar past calculations and used only for approximate examples, not a perfect dissertation on theoretical krogan tanking physics and dynamics.

Nova - 1.5 seconds of immnuity to damage
Double Nova - 3s of immnuity to damage 
Charge - 50% damage resistance for 4 seconds after every Charge

That's the human Vanguard.

Krogan Vanguard will NOT be a better tank than human Vanguard. It's just not possible.

This whole thread is a joke. And not a good one.

It's not a joke because the real point is what use is the Soldier if you have the Vanguard?

[Kronner]

Stardusk wrote...

It's not a joke because the real point is what use is the Soldier if you have the Vanguard?

Most people play Soldier, so obviously they like it. The classes have been the same since ME1.

[DivinusErus]

Stardusk wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Iodine wrote...

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to even mention, but yeah, 1600 shields with 40% damage reduction (works out to what, ~2500 effect barriers, 2000 effective health?), with a negligible cooldown penalty (3.08 seconds -> ~3.5 or so). Even without barrier, 1600 shields every 3.08 seconds as well as invincibility frames to dodge all major attacks = tankiest tank, on Gold as easily as Bronze.

Note: Every calculation is just a very rough guess based on similar past calculations and used only for approximate examples, not a perfect dissertation on theoretical krogan tanking physics and dynamics.

Nova - 1.5 seconds of immnuity to damage
Double Nova - 3s of immnuity to damage 
Charge - 50% damage resistance for 4 seconds after every Charge

That's the human Vanguard.

Krogan Vanguard will NOT be a better tank than human Vanguard. It's just not possible.

This whole thread is a joke. And not a good one.

It's not a joke because the real point is what use is the Soldier if you have the Vanguard?

That point is moot, you just said the current Krogan classes are very viable on gold. In which case, it really shouldn't matter what the Krogan Vanguard is like. 


Seriously though, I wouldn't worry about it unless it becomes a "problem", in which case Bioware will nerf them so hard they'll never be played again. Ever. 

[wizardryforever]

The_N7 wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

This will be my ultimate trolling class, watch out for my pink Krogan vanguard

Not sure about the ultimate, i heard people planning to use black geth infiltrators with Geth plasma shotguns for some badass trollng 

Heh, I like to use my male human soldier or vanguard in Cerberus colors when fighting Cerberus.  Then laugh when people panic-shoot me.  For bonus points I get to act indignant over the microphone.

[Uchimura]

I think it will be preferred over other Krogan, but I don't think it will be OP.

I don't know how Barrier or whatever shield they have works, but I think they might have trouble if they over-extend themselves into mob groups.

[GodlessPaladin]

Stardusk wrote...

This should seem obvious, but it will have an insanely high barrier, a natural affinity for SGs and Charge. Does anyone else think this is OP and we will be seeing only Krogan Vanguards from now on? What bothers me more is the fact that Krogan Sentinels and Soldiers will have lost their value now.

The problem with your argument is the assumption that Krogan Sentinels and Soldiers already have value beyond the aesthetic satisfaction of shouting "FOR TUCHANKAAA!!".  No matter which way I slice it,  I just can't honestly see them as competitively viable with the likes of both Asari, both Salarians, Human Vanguards, Drell Adepts, et cetera.

This is coming from a guy who has successfully soloed Gold with a Krogan Soldier.  I know how to use them to their potential, and it still doesn't measure up to the performance I get out of the recognized higher tier classes.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 avril 2012 - 10:02 .