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[robarcool]

This is a troll thread. OP hasn't even played the class yet like any one of us and just making speculations about the class being overpowered. Krogans are in no way viable compared to other classes on gold unless you play very carefully, which is not required for many other classes. So if Krogan Vanguard is more powerful than the soldier and the sentinel, then it will be comparable to other classes. Well, I am speculating too, which brings my comments in the same territory as OP's, so I will stop.

Modifié par robarcool, 07 avril 2012 - 08:29 .

[AlexFili]

As long as it's not geth krogan can be very aggressive on silver

Geth Krogan? Now I'm imagining a robotic krogan character!

[Kronner]

tvih wrote...

Kronner wrote...
Charge - 50% damage resistance for 4 seconds after every Charge

I might be missing something obvious here, but what do you mean? Charge in itself doesn't give any damage resistance. The only "damage resistance" you get as a Human Vanguard are the invulnerability frames. If one did, in fact, get 50% damage resistance every 4 seconds for simply charging, the resistance would be up all the time and combined with the invulnerability frames you'd practically never die, except to instant kills.

It's never mentioned in the game (neither is Nova immunity), but if you look through Coal.bin, it's there. 
And yes, Novaspamguard can die only by instakill or when staggered.

[Atheosis]

robarcool wrote...

This is a troll thread. OP hasn't even played the class yet like any one of us and just making speculations about the class being overpowered. Krogans are in no way viable compared to other classes on gold unless you play very carefully, which is not required for many other classes. So if Krogan Vanguard is more powerful than the soldier and the sentinel, then it will be comparable to other classes. Well, I am speculating too, which brings my comments in the same territory as OP's, so I will stop.

I kind of got the impression the OP wasn't a Gold player.  On Bronze I can see the potential for some silliness with the combination of Krogan melee and Biotic Charge, but on Gold I really don't expect it to be that great.

[Atheosis]

Kronner wrote...

tvih wrote...

Kronner wrote...
Charge - 50% damage resistance for 4 seconds after every Charge

I might be missing something obvious here, but what do you mean? Charge in itself doesn't give any damage resistance. The only "damage resistance" you get as a Human Vanguard are the invulnerability frames. If one did, in fact, get 50% damage resistance every 4 seconds for simply charging, the resistance would be up all the time and combined with the invulnerability frames you'd practically never die, except to instant kills.

It's never mentioned in the game (neither is Nova immunity), but if you look through Coal.bin, it's there. 
And yes, Novaspamguard can die only by instakill or when staggered.

I mostly die from lag when I play them...

[Currylaksa]

Atheosis wrote...
I kind of got the impression the OP wasn't a Gold player.  On Bronze I can see the potential for some silliness with the combination of Krogan melee and Biotic Charge, but on Gold I really don't expect it to be that great.

Vanguards survive in gold because they can reduce vulnerability windows with charge, nova and roll.

If a LV3 shield mod Krogan Vanguard can take enough beating between biotic charges, he should be a pretty strong flank tank for Gold.

[Stardusk]

Atheosis wrote...

robarcool wrote...

This is a troll thread. OP hasn't even played the class yet like any one of us and just making speculations about the class being overpowered. Krogans are in no way viable compared to other classes on gold unless you play very carefully, which is not required for many other classes. So if Krogan Vanguard is more powerful than the soldier and the sentinel, then it will be comparable to other classes. Well, I am speculating too, which brings my comments in the same territory as OP's, so I will stop.

I kind of got the impression the OP wasn't a Gold player.  On Bronze I can see the potential for some silliness with the combination of Krogan melee and Biotic Charge, but on Gold I really don't expect it to be that great.

LOL, me not a Gold player. Funny.

[Stardusk]

MrSpanky169 wrote...

AreleX wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

AreleX wrote...

krogan soldiers and sentinels had no value to begin with, aside from comic relief

Disagree.

name me one useful thing a krogan (on gold) can do better than another class, besides carry heavy ass weapons because they have no good active abilities (which are really the meat and potatoes of the game).

don't worry, i'll wait.

I typed in krogan gold on youtube and ran across this lol youtu.be/e_08GDp2mbE

EDIT: I can not link to save my life

Yes, this is my video.

[ForTuchanka]

AreleX wrote...

methodshaolin wrote...

weapons are the meat - abilities are the potatoes  
did you not see the video with 2 lvl 1 krogans completing gold vs reapers ? True it would be prolly easier for them with other classes but the class is not completely useless.

to clarify, it is not *completely* useless, it is *comparatively* useless. you can use a krogan and do just fine, but there will always be something better suited to whatever you may want to do with it.

does not exist in a vacuum, etc.

The problem is that we have people incorrectly claiming that krogans are useless on silver while others say they're just fine on gold.  Krogans are neither but are instead just below average class in terms of power compared to other classes.   If your skill level in the game (skill... not N7 as they're not synomymous) is high, you can partly make up for that comparatively lower power level.   I do just fine on silver with my krogan and frequently score 1st place with randoms (about half the time); its also true that I generally do better with the other classes in both score and credits as I accomplish more in less time.  If you've got an average or lower skill level, taking a krogan just magnifies that and generally worsens your contribution to the team do to the percieved "specialty" of melee god as opposed to the reality (miss a single heavy melee on gold due to glitches and you're stunlocked and/or screwed).   The relatively unforgiving nature of gold (assuming you're not farming with the "proper" classes) just magnifies the krogan's deficiencies.

[Hibernating]

"These fully mature krogan might be old and slow" is one of the descriptions in the DLC. From this I get the impression that krogan vanguards not only wont be able to roll, but also wont be able to sprint. I think that will help balance them out quite a bit.

[CheetahZ1]

Maybe they'll have warp too.

Trolololol

[Currylaksa]

ForTuchanka wrote...
 If you've got an average or lower skill level, taking a krogan just magnifies that and generally worsens your contribution to the team do to the percieved "specialty" of melee god as opposed to the reality (miss a single heavy melee on gold due to glitches and you're stunlocked and/or screwed).   The relatively unforgiving nature of gold (assuming you're not farming with the "proper" classes) just magnifies the krogan's deficiencies.

Actually majority of Krogan problems in Gold are from Geth, because of the amount of stunlock (most troops actively try to melee you, and Prime/Hunters attacks stun).

[Achire]

I can't see Krogan Vanguards being better than Human Vanguards on Gold. I do agree that it kind of makes you wonder where that leaves the other Krogan classes. Why play them instead of Krogan Vanguard if you absolutely must play as a Krogan?

[Atheosis]

Currylaksa wrote...

Atheosis wrote...
I kind of got the impression the OP wasn't a Gold player.  On Bronze I can see the potential for some silliness with the combination of Krogan melee and Biotic Charge, but on Gold I really don't expect it to be that great.

Vanguards survive in gold because they can reduce vulnerability windows with charge, nova and roll.

If a LV3 shield mod Krogan Vanguard can take enough beating between biotic charges, he should be a pretty strong flank tank for Gold.

Most people who play Vanguard on Gold just die like fools.  

[Atheosis]

Hibernating wrote...

"These fully mature krogan might be old and slow" is one of the descriptions in the DLC. From this I get the impression that krogan vanguards not only wont be able to roll, but also wont be able to sprint. I think that will help balance them out quite a bit.

By "balance them out quite a bit" do you mean "make them unplayable"?

[Atheosis]

ForTuchanka wrote...

AreleX wrote...

methodshaolin wrote...

weapons are the meat - abilities are the potatoes  
did you not see the video with 2 lvl 1 krogans completing gold vs reapers ? True it would be prolly easier for them with other classes but the class is not completely useless.

to clarify, it is not *completely* useless, it is *comparatively* useless. you can use a krogan and do just fine, but there will always be something better suited to whatever you may want to do with it.

does not exist in a vacuum, etc.

The problem is that we have people incorrectly claiming that krogans are useless on silver while others say they're just fine on gold.  Krogans are neither but are instead just below average class in terms of power compared to other classes.   If your skill level in the game (skill... not N7 as they're not synomymous) is high, you can partly make up for that comparatively lower power level.   I do just fine on silver with my krogan and frequently score 1st place with randoms (about half the time); its also true that I generally do better with the other classes in both score and credits as I accomplish more in less time.  If you've got an average or lower skill level, taking a krogan just magnifies that and generally worsens your contribution to the team do to the percieved "specialty" of melee god as opposed to the reality (miss a single heavy melee on gold due to glitches and you're stunlocked and/or screwed).   The relatively unforgiving nature of gold (assuming you're not farming with the "proper" classes) just magnifies the krogan's deficiencies.

The problem with Krogan on Gold is less about power and more about their complete lack of mobility/agility.  

[BaeBunni]

How I see the krogan battlemaster being played is like this. Barrier tank, when to low on barriers just super recharge them. End. Krogan battlemaster will make the other two obsolete simply because he can recharge his shields faster then the others can.

[Atheosis]

Stardusk wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

robarcool wrote...

This is a troll thread. OP hasn't even played the class yet like any one of us and just making speculations about the class being overpowered. Krogans are in no way viable compared to other classes on gold unless you play very carefully, which is not required for many other classes. So if Krogan Vanguard is more powerful than the soldier and the sentinel, then it will be comparable to other classes. Well, I am speculating too, which brings my comments in the same territory as OP's, so I will stop.

I kind of got the impression the OP wasn't a Gold player.  On Bronze I can see the potential for some silliness with the combination of Krogan melee and Biotic Charge, but on Gold I really don't expect it to be that great.

LOL, me not a Gold player. Funny.

Your original post certainly didn't make you sound like one.

[Atheosis]

BaeBunni wrote...

How I see the krogan battlemaster being played is like this. Barrier tank, when to low on barriers just super recharge them. End. Krogan battlemaster will make the other two obsolete simply because he can recharge his shields faster then the others can.

It will take more than Biotic Charge to do that.  Should be interesting to see what else he has to round out his power set.  If it's Slam and Lift Grenades I really don't think he'll be making the other Krogan classes obsolete.

[-Jaren-]

Have we confirmed Carnage is his third ability? Come on Slam!!

[vGriMz]

To be honest, it won't really matter. Since Krogan aren't good in Gold, especially against Geth due to the Prime gun, the Geth Hunter's gun, the Rocket Troopers, and Geth Hunters meleeing you.
But then, Vanguards aren't very good for Gold either, unless you're very careful.

Modifié par vGriMz, 07 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Without evasion abilities or Nova, I still can't see it beating a good human-vanguard.

[tvih]

Kronner wrote...

tvih wrote...

Kronner wrote...
Charge - 50% damage resistance for 4 seconds after every Charge

I might be missing something obvious here, but what do you mean? Charge in itself doesn't give any damage resistance. The only "damage resistance" you get as a Human Vanguard are the invulnerability frames. If one did, in fact, get 50% damage resistance every 4 seconds for simply charging, the resistance would be up all the time and combined with the invulnerability frames you'd practically never die, except to instant kills.

It's never mentioned in the game (neither is Nova immunity), but if you look through Coal.bin, it's there. 
And yes, Novaspamguard can die only by instakill or when staggered.

If caught in the open after a charge, I certainly go down faster than I would if I actually did have 50% damage resistance. I mean, even my level 1 Krogan that only had 25% damage resistance and not that much more HP (therefore lesser "effective HP") than my 20 Vanguard doesn't go down nearly as fast when taking fire. Plus even when charging and novaing literally nonstop, I still seem to take damage at some points, even as host (or in single player).

Also, 50% from charging would make Krogan Vanguard essentially unkillable just from pure damage reduction. 30% from Rage, 30% from Barrier (if they indeed get Barrier), 50% from Charge. That's 110%, and I'm told ME3 counts these things from base value. Though if it is instead like it is in many other games... then it's something like damage taken (say, 100) minus 30% Barrier = 70, minus 30% Rage = 49%, minus 50% Charge = 24,5. Still pretty nuts compared to any other class out there.

[deaths origin]

Broganisity wrote...

The way I see it the Krogan Vanguard will play like the Vanguards of ME2. I haven't seen the full class skill-list, if there is one actually available, but I have a feeling the KV won't have the massive Melee damage of a Krogan Soldier...though, yes would probably be considerably more useful than the original two krogan in the hands for an expert...

...Otherwise expect the see dead vanguards, dead krogan, and dead krogan vanguards EVERYWHERE.

the massive melee damage comes from krogan rage passive skill which both sentinle and soldier have and so will the vanguard so the damage wont be majorly different