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[El Capt Mexico]

We have now heard and read about the Extended Cut coming this summer. But what has my eye brow raised while I rub my chin with my index finger, will there be a final boss? I know it has been said that there will be added cinematics and epilogue scenes, but I would like to go toe to toe with a final enemy. My point being that ME3 didn't have a definitive final boss that will put my combat skills to its final test. Sorry I don't want to talk to the final boss of the game, it's something that I have been "indoctrinated" with ever since I picked up a Nintendo controller, the final boss must be stomped, punched, sliced, stabbed, blown up, or shot. I know some people (including me) have adopted Marauder Shields as the final boss, but I am talking about an enemy that is unique to the final battle.

For example:

DA:O - The Archdemon
Mass Effect - Saren
Chrono Trigger - Lavos
Mortal Kombat - Shao Khan
Super Metriod - Mother Brain
Resident Evil - The Tyrant
Super Mario Brothers - Bowser
FF VII - Sephiroth
Contra - That Alien Heart Thing!

And for better or worse, a final boss brings a sense of accomplishment whether your character gives their life to land the final blow or stands triumphant with a sunset behind them.

Actually when you think about it, there are a lack of bosses in general in ME3. And no, multiple Banshees, Brutes, Harvesters, or Geth Primes do not count. The Rannoch Reaper does... Kai Leng sort of does.

So what I am asking Bioware here is, will there be a final boss in the extended cut or future DLC that truly defines the evil I fought throughout the three games?

Modifié par El Capt Mexico, 07 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[sistersafetypin]

I believe Bioware said they were not adding any gameplay, only cut scenes

[Anduin The Grey]

How many boss fights do you want? And does it have to be the very last thing you do before a short cutscene then roll credits?

Or maybe you're looking for a fist fight with Harbinger ala Shadowbroker DLC?

[El Capt Mexico]

I read that too, which is something that has me worried. Just that the lack of a final boss adds to the Anti-Climactic finale.

[Mr.House]

His name was Marauder Shields.

[nitefyre410]

Mr.House wrote...

His name was Marauder Shields.

 

NEVER FORGET!  

[Hy0ga]

sistersafetypin wrote...

I believe Bioware said they were not adding any gameplay, only cut scenes

Yep. No boss, dialog wheel, etc...just good old power point.

[Leanansidhe]

I know!  You can fight The Illusive Man!  He can blow second hand smoke in your face for about 10 years, until you finally get cancer and die that way!!

What is this hang-up with having an end-boss? 

Seriously.

I really don't get it.

Queue everyone calling me stupid in

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[Kadi]

El Capt Mexico wrote...

We have now heard and read about the Extended Cut coming this summer. But what has my eye brow raised while I rub my chin with my index finger, will there be a final boss? I know it has been said that there will be added cinematics and epilogue scenes, but I would like to go toe to toe with a final enemy. My point being that ME3 didn't have a definitive final boss that will put my combat skills to its final test. Sorry I don't want to talk to the final boss of the game, it's something that I have been "indoctrinated" with ever since I picked up a Nintendo controller, the final boss must be stomped, punched, sliced, stabbed, blown up, or shot. I know some people (including me) have adopted Marauder Shields as the final boss, but I am talking about an enemy that is unique to the final battle.

For example:

DA:O - The Archdemon
Mass Effect - Seran
Chrono Trigger - Lavos
Mortal Kombat - Shao Khan
Super Metriod - Mother Brain
Resident Evil - The Tyrant
Super Mario Brothers - Bowser
FF VII - Sephiroth
Contra - That Alien Heart Thing!

And for better or worse, a final boss brings a sense of accomplishment whether your character gives their life to land the final blow.

Actually when you think about it, there are a lack of bosses in general in ME3. And no, multiple Banshees, Brutes, Harvesters, or Geth Primes do not count. The Rannoch Reaper does... Kai Leng sort of does.

So what I am asking Bioware here is, will there be a final boss in the extended cut or future DLC that truly defines the evil I fought throughout the three games?

I'd like to point out the final boss of Mass Effect was Soverign not saren, he downloads himsilf in the synthetic shell of Sarens body, after (you talk him down to suicide or  actually fight him on his surfboard)

IF the Indoctrination theory is true, then the final encounter being fighting indoctrination is fine by me however, once al lis said and done some questions do remain, as for a boss battle though,
Im hoping for a TIM indoctrinated by Harbinger boss fight much like Saren part 2 where Soverign controls him but improved, with 3 phases or more etc etc

though if we do not get any further gameplay with this free ending, then atleast let us see the normandy and ships defeat Harbinger either way I wanna make him pay as, i still feel like its unfinished bussiness.

[Jenonax]

SKRemaks wrote...

I know!  You can fight The Illusive Man!  He can blow second hand smoke in your face for about 10 years, until you finally get cancer and die that way!!

What is this hang-up with having an end-boss? 

Seriously.

I really don't get it.

Queue everyone calling me stupid in

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I'm not going to call you stupid.  I disagree with you though.  We never had a definitive stand off with the villains of Mass Effect.  The Catalyst is a Deus Ex Machina.  The Reapers are the villains.  Harbinger by extension, being the oldest Reaper and the most vocal one in the last game, should have been the final confrontation.  As such, the central conflict, us vs the Reapers never reaches a satisfying conclusion.

[eddieoctane]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

How many boss fights do you want? And does it have to be the very last thing you do before a short cutscene then roll credits?

Or maybe you're looking for a fist fight with Harbinger ala Shadowbroker DLC?

Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people want. The waves of Banshees and Brutes just didn't have that same gratifying feeling that taking down Sarvereign, the Reaper larva, or the Shadow Broker did. And Kai Leng was too far before the final sequence to fill in for an end boss.

[nitefyre410]

SKRemaks wrote...

I know!  You can fight The Illusive Man!  He can blow second hand smoke in your face for about 10 years, until you finally get cancer and die that way!!

What is this hang-up with having an end-boss? 

Seriously.

I really don't get it.

Queue everyone calling me stupid in

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2
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See you back in the of  oh 2007 when games had endings ..there was game called Metal Gear Solid 4 the ending of a long complicated story of War, heroism, love and honor. At the end of the last the game, there was a boss fight... on top of a Metal Gear...just like end if the first game. Though settings were different, in details it was showing how things had come full circle... 

A Boss Fight with a TIM pocessed by Harbinger  kinda like the one with Saren at the end of ME 1 would have been perfect.

and no are not stupid  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 avril 2012 - 10:03 .

[Leanansidhe]

nitefyre410 wrote...

SKRemaks wrote...

I know!  You can fight The Illusive Man!  He can blow second hand smoke in your face for about 10 years, until you finally get cancer and die that way!!

What is this hang-up with having an end-boss? 

Seriously.

I really don't get it.

Queue everyone calling me stupid in

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2
1

 

See you back in the of  oh 2007 when games had endings ..there was game called Metal Gear Solid 4 the ending of a long complicated story of War, heroism, love and honor. At the end of the last the game, there was a boss fight... on top of a Metal Gear...just like end if the first game. Though settings were different, in details it was showing how things had come full circle... 

A Boss Fight with a TIM pocessed by Harbinger  kinda like the one with Saren at the end of ME 1 would have been perfect.

and no are not stupid  

I've never played any of those games, but that's neither here nor there.

What I have played is every BioWare game to date, and I thought it was unique and interesting to NOT have a final boss fight.  As a matter of fact, I didn't even notice that there wasn't one, until the whole "Marauder Shields" crap showed up.

I was too busy being blown away by the ending, (and I mean that in a good way) to pay attention to the fact that there wasn't some arbitrary boss battle being thrown at me.
Different is good. 

[El Capt Mexico]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

How many boss fights do you want? And does it have to be the very last thing you do before a short cutscene then roll credits?

Or maybe you're looking for a fist fight with Harbinger ala Shadowbroker DLC?

Well let's see, I was thinking that a fight similar to that but with a Harbinger controlled Illusiveman that is mutated with Reaper tech and only Anderson backing you up. It shouldn't the very last thing before credits roll, but it should be the climax and everything afterward gives you time to decompress and take it all in... then roll credits.

As far as how many? I'm not asking for one around every corner but at least after a major story moment. One time enemies would have worked fine, a Geth Colossus with Reaper tech here, a further mutated brute there, and a Cerberus secret weapon over there.

[El Capt Mexico]

Eleventhchild wrote...

I'd like to point out the final boss of Mass Effect was Soverign not saren, he downloads himsilf in the synthetic shell of Sarens body, after (you talk him down to suicide or  actually fight him on his surfboard)

IF the Indoctrination theory is true, then the final encounter being fighting indoctrination is fine by me however, once al lis said and done some questions do remain, as for a boss battle though,
Im hoping for a TIM indoctrinated by Harbinger boss fight much like Saren part 2 where Soverign controls him but improved, with 3 phases or more etc etc

though if we do not get any further gameplay with this free ending, then atleast let us see the normandy and ships defeat Harbinger either way I wanna make him pay as, i still feel like its unfinished bussiness.

Very clever pointing out the details of the final battle in ME1, you're right.

And a fight against a Harbinger controlled Illusive Man would have made sense and the different stages of the battle is something that would have worked. Almost like the more the Illusive Man gets pissed, the more control Harbinger has over him.

[Kadi]

El Capt Mexico wrote...

Eleventhchild wrote...

I'd like to point out the final boss of Mass Effect was Soverign not saren, he downloads himsilf in the synthetic shell of Sarens body, after (you talk him down to suicide or  actually fight him on his surfboard)

IF the Indoctrination theory is true, then the final encounter being fighting indoctrination is fine by me however, once al lis said and done some questions do remain, as for a boss battle though,
Im hoping for a TIM indoctrinated by Harbinger boss fight much like Saren part 2 where Soverign controls him but improved, with 3 phases or more etc etc

though if we do not get any further gameplay with this free ending, then atleast let us see the normandy and ships defeat Harbinger either way I wanna make him pay as, i still feel like its unfinished bussiness.

Very clever pointing out the details of the final battle in ME1, you're right.

And a fight against a Harbinger controlled Illusive Man would have made sense and the different stages of the battle is something that would have worked. Almost like the more the Illusive Man gets pissed, the more control Harbinger has over him.

Thanks for the kind reply =) not used to that here.

Yeah that would be somthing to see, I'd love to see Martin Sheens voice acting in a boss fight that progresses ow well, =).

[Anduin The Grey]

It was a great formula in the 80's, hero is beaten, tired, wants to lay down and rest forever to sleep off the epic struggle he/she has had to endure, then a divine wind of righteousness and goodness or maybe just badarsery 'I'm not finished yet bub' flows through him/her and they triumph. It still works in many many games, RAAM in GoW1 being one I mostly remember fondly and occasionally, otherwise!

My Shepard looked like he'd had the crap kicked out of him and went back for 2nds and 3rds but it does beg the question, would you have been happier with a boss fight at the end then roll credits and no choices? It just doesn't make any sense to me story wise to do that, not saying they don't have it secretly planned, maybe the Indoctricantion Theory is still correct and Bioware are laying down some supressing fire to distract the fans for when the real ending comes.

I've about as much of a clue as anyone here does, as in, not much, but it's their story, it's not so similar to other stories if at all to other stories on game shelves that I can pickup and play, wow, this is a lot better.

I also don't get why EA ship out a Modern Warfare, Bad Company, Blackops literally once a year each, same game, same nonsense different glitter and yet I 'must' be in the minority because those games sell more than any other. I have a lot of friends who play them and the first thing I hear them say when they get a new one is how good the game is, then there's a lot of swearing over those who find a way to cheat at the game.

But it's perspective, people buy those games because they want those games, it doesn't suit my taste at all which is why I don't gt them let alone enjoy them and this is why I believe Bioware should tell it's own story, you can't please everyone and if they displease too many the demand for titles built on this trilogy will no doubt shrink a great deal, or not.

The Matrix blew me away when I saw it, it did the same thing the second and third time I saw it, each one day after the next and I waited patiently for the next two films to appear and when I did I thought the stories in the next two were absolutely pants but that's the story they wanted to tell.

Exactly the same thing happened with Highlander, absolutely amazing film but the second film was so dire I had to force myself to watch it at the cinema, the 3rd film was a lot better and explained the bizarre appearing sword in the 2nd film but it was just a restuffed turkey, the first one. The 2 spin off series pretty much killed it for me, right from the get go of each. But once again I guess those are the stories they wanted to tell, or milk or both, no idea.

And then there was that Gene Rodenberry series, it had potential but too many writers had too many ideas, I wanted to like it and did at first, but it was pants and my point for digressing so far off the original point is to clarify this, can you imagine what would happen if the forum actually had control over what ending they want? It's not going to happen, it won't happen and most importantly it can't happen.

Bioware seems to have identified the root issue which is more clarification and more closure which for me is perfect, if there are any plot holes revealed by a quick fix patch people will spot them, it just makes a lot more sense from my perspective that they identify the problem not redo and ship out another ending that will satisfy and please everyone, because that is never ever going to happen.

[mrgeth]

harbinger, harbinger harbinger!!!!!!

[wintermaul55]

Ahhh yes.... Final bosses are over rated... we have decided no more bosses... just run around shooting

[Snout]

I disliked the ME1 boss due to the repetitive fight. I disliked the ME2 boss due to the repetitive fight.

Never liked boss fights.

[Sawtooth357]

This one respectfully believes that a final boss would make this offering appear far too much like a videogame. It instead hopes for several terabytes of hardcore Geth on Quarian pornographic material.

[The Angry One]

SKRemaks wrote...

I've never played any of those games, but that's neither here nor there.

What I have played is every BioWare game to date, and I thought it was unique and interesting to NOT have a final boss fight.  As a matter of fact, I didn't even notice that there wasn't one, until the whole "Marauder Shields" crap showed up.

I was too busy being blown away by the ending, (and I mean that in a good way) to pay attention to the fact that there wasn't some arbitrary boss battle being thrown at me.
Different is good. 

Those of us who aren't distracted by pretty lights would like an actual bossfight.

You could achieve the same effect as this ending by lighting a firecracker.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Marauder Shields = final boss.

One could also argue that Shepard was the final boss since it is usually the boss that controls the player's fate (whether the player lives or dies), and not the other way around. Yet Shepard controls Starkid's fate now, hence Shepard is the final boss. As I said in another post paraphrasing Nietzsche about Shepard has fought monsters so long that (s)he has become one, and now when Shepard gazes into the abyss the abyss gazes back.

I think I might order Red Dwarf and watch that. I can use a laugh.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 07 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[Hexley UK]

Final boss battles are to video-gamy and thus are not suitable for works of art.

[GFOX7]

 That would fall under "gameplay" which they may or may not be adding. Depends on feedback according to what they've said.

So if enough people say they want a true final boss, then maybe.