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[Mcfly616]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Ask yourself: Who would like Diablo without the devil as final boss?

I think that the goals of a game like Diablo differ from the goals of games like Mass Effect.

I don't think the different genres matter....he's simply stating that certain things have come to be expected in certain games....there's a boss fight in both ME1 and ME2....I'm not saying a Boss Fight is necessary, but I'd be a little surprised if the majority of people didn't say that they wanted to, or atleast expected to kick Harbingers ass after all the sh*t talking he was doing from dark space

[HoldTheLine]

I myself didn't mind not having a boss fight *shrugs* It was kinda a relief not to have one after that humongous battle trying to launch those missiles.

[SlyTF1]

I want a one on one fight with Harbinger and I want the fight to end with Shepard jumping off the top of the Citadel and stabbing Harbinger in the eye. Then I want a fight with the Illusive man where you rip his spine out of his back with your bare hands. Make it happen.

[ConradShepard]

I didn't know the BSN was filled with so many hipsters. Maybe the next Mass Effect shouldn't have combat at all, you know because its to video gamey.

Modifié par ConradShepard, 13 avril 2012 - 09:03 .

[Mcfly616]

I just finished Priority:Earth 5 mins ago....beat the game for the 3rd time....and I gotta say, the entire game and even the Priority Earth Mission are amazingly epic, and the last 10 mins feel so damn hollow and thrown together....its a tragedy

[sirisaacx]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Also, it appears the argument is being framed just like every other argument we've made so far, in that we are told by reps: 'Actually, I would rather not have [insert fan request/observation here] because [insert artistic integrity quote here].'

If that's the way my comment comes across then I think I wasn't clear in what I was trying to say.

I have no issue with a confrontation as it often makes sense with respect to the narrative. But running around shooting Harbinger or TIM or anything like that doesn't particularly interest myself as a gamer.

Sorry for being so direct, I understand what you mean now. A fist fight with Harbinger might not have ended well lol.
I'm just more confused with what happened and how unconventional the ending seemed, but at least you are answering some of the questions brought up and giving other perspectives, so I thank you for having this conversation with us.

He's completely uninvolved with the Mass Effect team though. He works on Dragon age. Just a well spoken forum goer with a pretty badge above his name as far as Mass Effect is concerned.

[MadMatt910]

The Angry One wrote...

SKRemaks wrote...

I've never played any of those games, but that's neither here nor there.

What I have played is every BioWare game to date, and I thought it was unique and interesting to NOT have a final boss fight.  As a matter of fact, I didn't even notice that there wasn't one, until the whole "Marauder Shields" crap showed up.

I was too busy being blown away by the ending, (and I mean that in a good way) to pay attention to the fact that there wasn't some arbitrary boss battle being thrown at me.
Different is good. 

Those of us who aren't distracted by pretty lights would like an actual bossfight.

You could achieve the same effect as this ending by lighting a firecracker.

I too actually didn't mind the lack of a final bossfight. I saw ME as a stroy really, with the gameplay coming second. However, soon as you go up that elevator it makes literally no sense. Really, a boss fight isnt going to change anything without a new story ending. If you want and new story ending and a bossfight then there needs to be a way to write one in without it feeling as contrived as a certain deus ex machina

[HoldTheLine]

ConradShepard wrote...

I didn't know the BSN was filled with so many hipsters. Maybe the next Mass Effect shouldn't have combat at all, you know because its to video gamey.

Sorry if it comes off that way For me, I rather enjoyed the fight for the missles and considered that better than a boss fight, simply because of the sheer numbers being thrown at you. And yeah, TIM as a boss fight would've been pretty cool too, but I wasn't flaming disappointed that I didn't get to fight him or Harbinger.

[Grasich]

I REALLY wanted a final boss fight. They're a great way to bring together the epicness of a series.

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

Hidden DLC companion BLASTO shows up and rips Harby a new one. I WILL NERDRAGE if this is not in the extended cut!

[zarnk567]

All my favorite games had final bosses.

Persona 3, MGS3, MGS4, Final Fantasy 6, Mass Effect 1, DAO, Final Fanatsy 10 and I could go on and on.... And in none of the games I mentioned did the Final Boss feel to "video gamey". Heck the final boss of Persona 3 was one of the best parts of the game.

[Allan Schumacher]

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Sorry for being so direct, I understand what you mean now. A fist fight with Harbinger might not have ended well lol.
I'm just more confused with what happened and how unconventional the ending seemed, but at least you are answering some of the questions brought up and giving other perspectives, so I thank you for having this conversation with us.

For the record, I didn't mind some of the boss fights that did exist in ME3.  I did enjoy the climaxes of Rannoch and Tuchanka.  Tuchanka was tense avoiding the charging brutes while setting off the hammers was a tense moment.  The one one one with the Reaper on Rannoch was well done as I thought it felt cinematically.  They toyed with the notion of having to endure a chase scene and having Shepard stop and take care of it was a ballsy and badass move.  It wasn't challenging or anything like that, but was just cool watching the salvos come down and hit the Reaper.

Maybe part of me liked the sequence with TIM simply because it was a bit different?  I also got the Paragon ending which I think helps, because to me it seemed like the ending that ME1 should have had.  Shepard is so badass he can talk down a zealot TIM that has been indoctrinated.

On the other hand, I didn't care at all for the final showdown with Kai Leng.  The only interesting part of that one was the cutscene at the end.  "This is for Kirrahe you son of a ****"  I could have just been shown that cutscene and probably would have come away enjoying that sequence more.

[KingKhan03]

I wanted to hear "assuming direct control" or "I will direct this personally" atleast once why BioWare WHY!?

[King Keasbey]

I would just like to say that I like a good boss fight. A conflict I can resolve on my own terms using the tools given to me by the game engine. In movies and books the resolution is delivered in a different way, but games by nature are interactive, making a boss fight almost necessary (imo) to providing a narrative climax.

[zarnk567]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

RedDeadRemix wrote...

Sorry for being so direct, I understand what you mean now. A fist fight with Harbinger might not have ended well lol.
I'm just more confused with what happened and how unconventional the ending seemed, but at least you are answering some of the questions brought up and giving other perspectives, so I thank you for having this conversation with us.

For the record, I didn't mind some of the boss fights that did exist in ME3.  I did enjoy the climaxes of Rannoch and Tuchanka.  Tuchanka was tense avoiding the charging brutes while setting off the hammers was a tense moment.  The one one one with the Reaper on Rannoch was well done as I thought it felt cinematically.  They toyed with the notion of having to endure a chase scene and having Shepard stop and take care of it was a ballsy and badass move.  It wasn't challenging or anything like that, but was just cool watching the salvos come down and hit the Reaper.

Maybe part of me liked the sequence with TIM simply because it was a bit different?  I also got the Paragon ending which I think helps, because to me it seemed like the ending that ME1 should have had.  Shepard is so badass he can talk down a zealot TIM that has been indoctrinated.

On the other hand, I didn't care at all for the final showdown with Kai Leng.  The only interesting part of that one was the cutscene at the end.  "This is for Kirrahe you son of a ****"  I could have just been shown that cutscene and probably would have come away enjoying that sequence more.

Well to be fair..... evey Kai-lang encounter fight was very poorly executed.... I by that I mean I hated both of them.

[Nyctyris]

Lack of combat-based boss fights isn't what's wrong with the ending. Getting to gun down the Starchild after being offered those three choices still wouldn't have made sense.

If anything, what the final scenes lacked was DIALOGUE and explanation. I don't want a pointless fight in EC I want to know what the hell was going on and why.

Unless by boss fight you also mean boss confrontation (similar to argument with illusive man) in which case I would very much get behind that idea. Would love to make little Casper KO himself through conversation.



Btw in the above statements I'm quantifying "wrong" as "what a lot of people found dissatisfying" rather than... idk... some objective moral standpoint -.+ just thought I'd explain that for any lurking pedants lol

Modifié par Nyctyris, 13 avril 2012 - 09:18 .

[Luiginius]

Don't know about an actual fight, but there needs to be something that the player does that acts as a high point of sorts. If there isn't, the last point in which the player interacts are the waves in the missile mission.
Don't know about anyone else but for me it was a let down. Kill x number of monsters before being able to press a button. Would have been fitting somewhere along the way during me3, but as a finale fight of the game, meh.

[TheLostGenius]

um...me2 had the human reaper baby fetus thing...that was...lacking in...somethng.

[grey_wind]

Considering the Harbinger-Shepard rivalry being built up in ME2, a final fight with him would have been a great way to resolve that conflict and delivered a fitting narrative climax.
ME3 should have had a lot more boss fights, considering it's a war story, but alas.....

[jbadm04]

a great earth mission would be its own epic boss fight
in general I dislike boss-fights, especialy when it dont fit the rest, and love to avoid that if possible.
though I dont see BW to improve on the last mission, a boss fight could do something, but then again, who do you want to fight, Harbinger? No thanks...

[Oldbones2]

I was ok with no final boss, BW was right, too video gamey for such an epic trilogy ending.

But Harbinger should have been there, he should have spoken damn it!

At the very least it should be him giving us the choices at the end, not RGC, who is introduced in the VERY LAST SCENE of a 100 hour trilogy.

[Alibenbaba]

I thought the TIM conversation was a splendid boss fight. We already defeated a reaper on foot, escalating boss fights ad infimum really is 'too gamey'. (TIM going super sayan? Bah)
Also, Shepard is in no condition to fight anyways.