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[Laurencio]

Caz Tirin wrote...

GrimIntent89 wrote...

 
KCox: Q: Ending DLC. More cut-scenes, or additional gameplay?

A: currently planning on extended cinematics but cannot currently comment otherwise. "keep giving us your feedback."

There you have it, folks. Continue to give feedback regarding what you want to see and MAYBE, just maybe we'll see it implemented. 

What I got from that statement is that they've learned from their mistakes making promises in the past and don't want to promise anything unless they know they can deliver. 

Well, I can't argue that they learned not to make promises.  Even Blizzard learned that lesson pretty quick.

But what I read was "currently planning on extended cinematics.  to add anything more would be to admit we screwed up and lied.  keep posting on our forums, though, we can point to the activity reports and pretend we did something awesome."

You read an awful lot into a statement made at a point where they probably don't even know what exactly to include themselves yet.

[GrimIntent89]

Dracotamer wrote...

We've been giving feedback for a VERY LONG TIME. They say they listen but as far as I can tell they are not.

Except you can't really say that though. We won't know how well they listened, if at all until the EC is released.

I myself believe that anyone that thought they would straight up change their ending based on the fan backlash were

slightly delusional to begin with.

So if you think them not actually changing the ending is a sign of them not actually listening, I respectfully disagree.

Only time will tell how well they handle the EC. I still have faith that they will come out triumphant in the end because

they have made some of my favorite games of all time in the past, and I'm not willing to definitively give up on them 

until they give me a good enough reason. (not delivering with EC and future DLC.)

[DarthSyphilis59]

GrimIntent89 wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

 The ME3 Twitter account and Merizan have both said that they're getting a heck of a lot of Harbinger feedback, and that he still seems to be very popular. I'm sure that will have reached them by now, so maybe we will get at least a fight with him.

Yeah, I noticed that as well...

Hopefully, they will decide that it's a popular enough idea to implement it in some form for EC.

That would be awesome!!!

[Zix13]

GrimIntent89 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Keep giving us feedback, we won't listen.

Wow, maybe try a little optimism?

When they have said that before, and ignored the majority of the feedback they were getting, it's hard to be optimistic. 

[We Tigers]

Speaking of Harbinger...just palette swap him in for Starchild, like the Sovereign "VI" in the first game, and have the Harbinger VA record the dialogue. No, it might not make sense, but at least we're getting it from the spacebeast who taunted us all second game, not some strange ghostly construct.  And a "This hurts you"

Modifié par We Tigers, 06 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[DarthSyphilis59]

I'm hanging in there. I have faith.

[ShepnTali]

There's enough feedback in the sticky threads if they aren't blowing sunshine up our toots.

[GreyLycanTrope]

- option to tell starchild he's full of it
- option to just kill reapers not all synthetics
- epilogue

[DinoChimp]

GrimIntent89 wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

We've been giving feedback for a VERY LONG TIME. They say they listen but as far as I can tell they are not.

Except you can't really say that though. We won't know how well they listened, if at all until the EC is released.

I myself believe that anyone that thought they would straight up change their ending based on the fan backlash were

slightly delusional to begin with.

So if you think them not actually changing the ending is a sign of them not actually listening, I respectfully disagree.

Only time will tell how well they handle the EC. I still have faith that they will come out triumphant in the end because

they have made some of my favorite games of all time in the past, and I'm not willing to definitively give up on them 

until they give me a good enough reason. (not delivering with EC and future DLC.)

People who have faith without reason is what is wrong with this world. Why be optimistic about something that has no bases for your optimism. When since DA1 and ME2 have Bioware not misused the trust of their fan base? Day 1 DLC for ME3, DA2 being done in 1 year just to make money for EA. The poor DLC that comes out since DA2 and ME3.

I personally don't care about this extended cut, as the fact that they have to explain themselves on the ending is damning enough. You can take it as two ways:

1: Their fans are too stupid to understand their "artistic vision". So they need to explain it to us.
2: Their ending was so rushed and done on the hubris of 2 people that they need to "fix" it.

As far as I'm concerned Bioware has no good will left with me and alot of their fans. So stop being so optimistic and wait for the DLC. Don't go on about your basesly rants about how it "could" be awesome.

And espically don't expect people who felt betrayed to be happy about this extended ending DLC crap.

[GrimIntent89]

Zix13 wrote...

GrimIntent89 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Keep giving us feedback, we won't listen.

Wow, maybe try a little optimism?

When they have said that before, and ignored the majority of the feedback they were getting, it's hard to be optimistic. 

Well, maybe try a little optimism and hope that they're learning from past mistakes? Wait and see what they do with the EC before you make more assumptions. I understand what you're basing your assumptions on, TRUST ME, but it's still just an assumption until proven otherwise. Negativity is really easy to fall into, especially with something that you care about deeply, but it also leads to depression. Staying optimistic is the only way I stay sane at this point. I've
been playing ME for 5 years now and this is literally the first time they've let me down, and the fact that they're willing
to try and fix it keeps me optimistic enough to be patient.

Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

On a side note, 5 internetz to the person that gets that reference. 

[Blue Liara]

So basically they still want to hear feedback just they want to hear the feedback that conforms to their beliefs about the ending. They want to hear feedback on how they would clarify their current piece of sh*t ending. Not feedback on what we think should be a NEW ending. NO NO NO.

Screw you Bioware and your star child.

YOU WILL NOT INDOCTRINATE ME!!!

[DinoChimp]

GrimIntent89 wrote...

Staying optimistic is the only way I stay sane at this point. I've
been playing ME for 5 years now and this is literally the first time they've let me down, and the fact that they're willing
to try and fix it keeps me optimistic enough to be patient.

Just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

On a side note, 5 internetz to the person that gets that reference. 

As I said in my above post, your optimistic view is baseless. If you keep having that outlook in life you are going to be very disappointed in the end.

Also note there is a difference in being realistic about something and being pessimistic. You having faith in Bioware because they made ME1? You know that no-one from the original writing team even wrote 1 line in ME3? Also that the ME1 was made before Bioware was bought out by EA. The Bioware you know from 5 years ago isn't the same Bioware as they are now. This is the real world and companies are not all powerful  entities that never change, since the take over by EA, Bioware has lost it's soul and now most of its fans.

[Luiginius]

We Tigers wrote...

Speaking of Harbinger...just palette swap him in for Starchild, like the Sovereign "VI" in the first game, and have the Harbinger VA record the dialogue. No, it might not make sense, but at least we're getting it from the spacebeast who taunted us all second game, not some strange ghostly construct.  And a "This hurts you"

Ooh, this would work for me. They can't do it now that starchild is canon, but imagine this. It really is harby giving those choices and to show that there really isn't another way out he shows the reapers easily destroying Hacket's ship or some other demonstration of dominance to make his point.

Modifié par Luiginius, 06 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[Jamboa42]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Keep giving us feedback, we won't listen.

This is such a dead horse. Obviously they listened to feedback, the fact that they didn't like yours, necessarily, is a choice. There's a difference between listening to advice and taking it.

[GrimIntent89]

DinoChimp wrote...

GrimIntent89 wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

We've been giving feedback for a VERY LONG TIME. They say they listen but as far as I can tell they are not.

Except you can't really say that though. We won't know how well they listened, if at all until the EC is released.

I myself believe that anyone that thought they would straight up change their ending based on the fan backlash were

slightly delusional to begin with.

So if you think them not actually changing the ending is a sign of them not actually listening, I respectfully disagree.

Only time will tell how well they handle the EC. I still have faith that they will come out triumphant in the end because

they have made some of my favorite games of all time in the past, and I'm not willing to definitively give up on them 

until they give me a good enough reason. (not delivering with EC and future DLC.)

People who have faith without reason is what is wrong with this world. Why be optimistic about something that has no bases for your optimism. When since DA1 and ME2 have Bioware not misused the trust of their fan base? Day 1 DLC for ME3, DA2 being done in 1 year just to make money for EA. The poor DLC that comes out since DA2 and ME3.

I personally don't care about this extended cut, as the fact that they have to explain themselves on the ending is damning enough. You can take it as two ways:

1: Their fans are too stupid to understand their "artistic vision". So they need to explain it to us.
2: Their ending was so rushed and done on the hubris of 2 people that they need to "fix" it.

As far as I'm concerned Bioware has no good will left with me and alot of their fans. So stop being so optimistic and wait for the DLC. Don't go on about your basesly rants about how it "could" be awesome.

And espically don't expect people who felt betrayed to be happy about this extended ending DLC crap.

HA, I have PLENTY of reason to be optimistic!

As I said I'm optimistic because they've made 2.99 great Mass Effect games in my opinion, and that last fraction of a percent (while monumental) they're willing to expand on at no charge to appease me. Maybe I'm not as hard to please as you, but please don't throw insults at me because I'm not as pessimistic as you are about the future of ME.


I'm what's wrong with this world? Get ahold of yourself, because honestly that statement speaks volumes about you.
I'm sorry that I've apparently somehow offended you so much that you felt the need to insult me and "people like me", but not everyone's reasoning is the same. Hence the beauty of diversity. Just because I don't share your views and opinions doesn't make them any less valid than yours.

Equality. Learn it. 

[MattFini]

I want to fight Harby.

Who do I have to tell?

[GrimIntent89]

MattFini wrote...

I want to fight Harby.

Who do I have to tell?

If this thread garners enough attention, I will do my best to bring it to the attention of Jessica and the ME twitter.

[Lokiador]

- Fix the starchild (i.e. remove it) and its nonsensical logic
- Include some true dialogues that allow us to get Shepard to act the way we want to
- Offer actual variations on the ending which would reflect our choices and gaming style
- Maybe, as a bonus, a boss fight against Harbinguer ?

[Zuka999]

Feedback seems meaningless at this point. They aren't listening at all.

[GrimIntent89]

Zuka999 wrote...

Feedback seems meaningless at this point. They aren't listening at all.

Says you.
Thanks for the constructive (or lack thereof) post!

[DeRosa]

I'd like to see Shepard fighting the IT inside Harbinger instead of being grounded, how she/he gets in there is anyone's guess, I'm sure they can come up with something.

Anyway I had this idea. *SPOILERS FOR ME3 AND KOTOR*


Keeping with the indoctrination theory, what if Shepard was inside Harbinger the whole time and not the Citadel. The Citadel doesn't seem real so why not. Lets entertain the fact that she/he is inside Harbinger for a minute.

Ok a high morale will encourage you to resist indoctrination and defeat harbinger from inside. A high bad morale will force you to succumb to indoctrination and join Harbinger. I was thinking of the ending to KOTOR when Carth comes along if you romance him and talks you round. Perhaps if you have a high bad morale and didn't cheat on your ME1 love interest they can talk you into fighting your indoctrination, sort've like the way Anderson appeared, a sub-consious reminder of what she's/he's fighting for.

The EMS still affects the war effort however and how your squad survive, so nothing changes that.

I was thinking about Shepard's implants as well, not sure how they'd fit, but I wouldn't mind if they were a silent weapon of some sort. That would give Shepard a hero's death in some way, maybe have a choice of jumping into oblivion and bringing the Illusive Man with you. Need to think more on that... They could have a regeneration effect on Shepard even.

I would also like some clarity behind the origins of the Reapers and Catalyst. Everything else is pretty clear, but they could've stuck with the idea in ME1. The whole Catalyst idea I feel should be scrapped, but in the end it's their product, and I can live with additional cut-scenes to elaborate on what they've already.

Most of all WHAT HAPPENED TO MY CREW!!!!!!!! xD"

Think the fan-made Marauder Shields comic gives a better idea of how it possibly should've ended.

That's just my opinion and two cents, whatever they do, it's appreciated and I hope it gives them and Shepard some justice.

Modifié par DeRosa, 07 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[Trisskit]

I think it would be awesome to have some additional gameplay in there. Not sure how they'd implement that, but the Harby fight sounds like a sweet idea. I'd also like to see our war assets in action, at least some of them. I really want to know what's up with the Normandy and my crew, and I want to see them off that jungle planet! I'd like to be able to reunite with people, with my LI, or at least have the possibility to do so.

Those are just off the top of my head. :\\ If I thought about it harder I'm sure I'd have a huge list, but the more in depth posts in this thread and others have had a much better time articulating those than I will.

[GrimIntent89]

Trisskit wrote...

I think it would be awesome to have some additional gameplay in there. Not sure how they'd implement that, but the Harby fight sounds like a sweet idea. I'd also like to see our war assets in action, at least some of them. I really want to know what's up with the Normandy and my crew, and I want to see them off that jungle planet! I'd like to be able to reunite with people, with my LI, or at least have the possibility to do so.

Those are just off the top of my head. : If I thought about it harder I'm sure I'd have a huge list, but the more in depth posts in this thread and others have had a much better time articulating those than I will.

I strongly believe that they will iterate more on our war assets and implement ways to see them in action throughout the London mission in the EC. They even stated that the content will be accessed through a pre London save. It would make perfect sense and add a great amount of depth to the final mission. It was a HUGE concern in numerous threads and they would be blind not to capitalize on a great idea. I can just picture the rachni queen and her children going head to head with their indoctrinated modified brethren with overwhelming force. Hopefully they'll also show what past squad members are doing instead of just getting generic updates through a comm. It was cool, but I expected to actually see them on the front lines fighting and kicking reaper ass. After the indoctrination attempt you would get that satisfying epic showdown with Harbinger after you wake up in London (if you got the high EMS destroy ending) and Shepard would make some grand speech to rally the fleet and to give them the true resolve they so desperately need. You would see crippled ships going out kamikaze style and decimating sovereign class reapers. You would also see fighters pulling off insane manuevers and striking in unison while reapers were readying to fire, capitalizing on their one known weakness. Most importantly, you would see the tide of battle start to turn in favor of the allied forces surrounding earth and the theme of hope in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds would shine as it always has. All this would culminate with you defeating Harbinger with the help of Joker and the Normandy as the coup de grace and there would be a fitting epilogue afterwards that gives closure regarding your LI and the major players that sacrificed and helped defeat the reapers once and for all. THAT is what I personally hope they're able to achieve. It's wishful thinking I'm sure, but I will be happy with even 1/10 of what I envision. At the least, the epic Harbinger battle as an option and some actual clarity and closure would suffice.

[Godlysnack]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Keep giving us feedback, we will listen. But won't care to change anything..

There fixed it for you..

[Nightstalka01]

I think the dev team need to watch this, and learn from it...

www.youtube.com/watch