Godlysnack wrote...
Pulletlamer wrote...
Keep giving us feedback, we will listen. But won't care to change anything..
There fixed it for you..
Modifié par Strange Aeons, 07 avril 2012 - 05:41 .
Pulletlamer wrote...
Keep giving us feedback, we won't listen.
Strange Aeons wrote...
I think the only internally consistent way to keep the current ending (i.e., all three variations) is to make that the worst ending. That's the path you take when Shepard is broken by his struggle and you've abandoned all hope and are too tired to fight anymore and simply accept the horrific premise of the Reapers at face value. Then you meekly pick one of his three equally damnable choices, destroy galactic civilization, and basically justify everything the Reapers have been doing. Then you die alone and never see your friends again.
Like I said, that's the worst ending. It's basically a test to see if you can be intimidated into conceding defeat. It's like agreeing to join the Dragon Lord at the end of Dragon Warrior 1.
Then there could be a range of better endings where Shepard does what he should have done all along: defy the Catalyst's false dilemma. Instead, you trust in your friends, your principes, and the strength of everything you've accomplished over the course of the games. You tell the catalyst that he's wrong, and that the united fleet assembled from all races of the galaxy shows that we're committed to shaping our own destiny, and that win or lose we're not going to have our fate dictated to us by some self-appointed guardian and his army of genocidal monsters.
Then we fight the Reapers in a conventional battle. Actually, it's more than just a conventional battle: it's fundamentally a battle of philosophies that has been building the entire series, pitting freedom and self-determination against subjugation and indoctrination. The outcome is shaped both by your overall military strength as well as some key individual choices that you;ve made (such saving the rachni, making peace between the Quarians/Geth and the Krogans/Turians, saving/destroying the Council, etc.).
On one end of the spectrum, there could be a bad ending where you just rushed through the game, never playing ME1 or 2, and your military strength is so low and you're so short on allies that the Reapers just annihilate you. Note that, while horrible, this is still a better outcome than the ending we were given, because at least you didn't surrender to the Catalyst and went down fighting. Maybe the last scene there could even be some civilization 50,000 years hence finding Liara's time capsule, giving a ray of hope to the next cycle.
On the other end there needs to be a golden ending. If you played like a champ through all three games, making good decisions and taking the time to build up a very high military strength, you beat the Reapers, your squad survives, the Normandy survives, you reunite with your love interest, and everyone can move forward in a more united galaxy that you helped create without the false evolution of the Reapers constraining you.
In between, you beat the reapers but your military strength and choices determine whether your squad survives, the Normandy survives, who makes it out of the battle alive, etc.
You see, that way you might get to the end and even if you don't get a great ending you actually have some incentive to go back and re-examine your choices and try to do things better. Maybe even buy the previous two games and work on building that ideal save file.
Compare that to the current situation, where everybody from those of us who have been playing hundreds of hours over the last five years to the guy who just picked up ME3 on an impulse buy 2 weeks ago are funneled into the same slough of despond.
I doubt it will happen, but any ending that forces us to accept the Catalyst's choices simply makes no sense considering everything we know about Shepard's character when a second option (i.e., defy him) is sitting right there for the taking.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
Frankly, it's more than most of you deserve for the poor behavior you've exhibited the last month. Most people don't reward bad behavior, but they're doing it by dedicating months of time, money, and resources to give you something for FREE. Something that is going to DELAY the production and release of REAL DLC. Just to satisfy your ridiculous pettiness.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
If you wanna get technical, the ending of a game is the cutscenes that happen after the final mission is done.
The Return is the game's final mission, even if it's short on combat. The Illusive Man is the final boss and the battle is fought with wits and not combat because frankly, the Illusive Man's greatest weapon is his brain. And Shep will die if you fail to persuade him or don't have enough rep for an interrupt.
The ending is the cutscenes that happen after Shep makes his final choice. The Crucible, the Earth, the Normandy
It sounds like Extended Cut is going to be BIG if it takes till Summer to put out and is a whole DLC of its own(Story DLC usually take up 500mb minimum.) If the EC was going to be as lame as some of you make it sound, it would take them a couple of weeks tops and they'd just throw it into an update patch, not a whole DLC of its own.
Frankly, it's more than most of you deserve for the poor behavior you've exhibited the last month. Most people don't reward bad behavior, but they're doing it by dedicating months of time, money, and resources to give you something for FREE. Something that is going to DELAY the production and release of REAL DLC. Just to satisfy your ridiculous pettiness.
Nightstalka01 wrote...
I think the dev team need to watch this, and learn from it...
www.youtube.com/watch
bluespart wrote...
1- The Starchild must change. Either Rewrite him as a VI which logic got flawed after a long time (corrupt him, kinda like Vigil on Ilos but worse) or remove him entirely. He is one of the main reason everything falls apart in the end.
2- We want more gameplay. Give us some fighting on the citadel where the CDF gets to help usdependingof what we did about it.
3- Bringing back Harbinger is possibly one of the best way to replace the Star Child. He is still very much liked by the fans and would make for one epic boss fight. A fitting finale for all the fighting.
These are my main problems with the current endings. The following points are more minor gripes. but they still stand as problems on their own.
4- If we are going to be able to rebuild the relays, why destroy them? Because it better fits the game's theme? Not really.
5- If you're going to keep the Star Child and the decision-o-matic 3000, at least change both their appearence. We want something that doesn't look stupid for what is supposed to be the biggest vilain and something that doesn't look so... straightforward for the last room.
6- Again, if you're keeping the Star Child (don't know you'd do so at this point), give us interaction. We don't want to simply stand there and listen.
KaeserZen wrote...
An epic, memorable David vs. Goliath boss fight versus Harbinger.
Without resorting to external aid like on Tuchanka or Rannoch, except for the Normandy.
GrimIntent89 wrote...
The Grey Nayr wrote...
If you wanna get technical, the ending of a game is the cutscenes that happen after the final mission is done.
The Return is the game's final mission, even if it's short on combat. The Illusive Man is the final boss and the battle is fought with wits and not combat because frankly, the Illusive Man's greatest weapon is his brain. And Shep will die if you fail to persuade him or don't have enough rep for an interrupt.
The ending is the cutscenes that happen after Shep makes his final choice. The Crucible, the Earth, the Normandy
It sounds like Extended Cut is going to be BIG if it takes till Summer to put out and is a whole DLC of its own(Story DLC usually take up 500mb minimum.) If the EC was going to be as lame as some of you make it sound, it would take them a couple of weeks tops and they'd just throw it into an update patch, not a whole DLC of its own.
Frankly, it's more than most of you deserve for the poor behavior you've exhibited the last month. Most people don't reward bad behavior, but they're doing it by dedicating months of time, money, and resources to give you something for FREE. Something that is going to DELAY the production and release of REAL DLC. Just to satisfy your ridiculous pettiness.
Yeah, It's safe to say the Rage and Negativity on these forums is at an all-time high, and I while I understand where it's coming from I think it has gotten out of hand. If you want them to listen to you, raging and insulting Bioware and other forumites that disagree with your assertion that Bioware and EA are evil is NOT the way to do so. I personally believe that constructive criticism and feedback will ultimately win the day and are the only things they're taking into account because the rage just comes off as ignorant and seems to stem from conspiracy theory and negativity. Bioware has ALWAYS listened to their loyal fans when it comes to Mass Effect, and if you disagree then you just weren't fully aware or are in denial. The FACT of the matter is that without our feedback, Garrus and Tali would have remained platonic squadmates and the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC (widely regarded as their best DLC to date) might have never even existed. The idea to make LotSB was, in no small part, stemmed from fan demand for more time with Liara in Mass Effect 2. I would cite examples for those who don't believe me but alas, I am too lazy at the moment. Please people, I urge you to stay positive and who knows? You might just be pleasantly surprised come this summer.
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Modifié par Sion1138, 07 avril 2012 - 09:10 .
Nightstalka01 wrote...
I think the dev team need to watch this, and learn from it...
www.youtube.com/watch
Lord of Mu wrote...
I can stand the current endings so long as Bioware follows the indoctrination theory. (Which they most likely won't)
Post waking up scene. I'd like to see an actual battle to retake the Citadel with consequences for the decisions I made for the to Citadel defense. I'd like to have a mission to clear a path through the Citadel to the Crucible where I fight the real Illusive man, now more freakishly reaper than man.
As for the Crucible itself I'd like the device to have two options:
A: Paragon, Fire a pulse wave from the Crucible that disrupts the nanites in reaper tech preventing them from communicating with each other and rendering the nanites and reaper tech intern.
B: Renegade, Fire a pulse wave from the Crucible that alters the nanites and base code in all reaper tech forcing the reapers to obey Shepard.
Lastly, I'd be fine with an added twist to carry on to Mass Effect 4. Some threatening words from Harby which state that there are older and far more destructive forces in the greater galaxy than the reapers The reapers bring order to chaos but there are some places in the universe that even the reapers dare not go. Your decision would tip the balance of power in favor of the chaotic forces.
ME 4, Beyond the Citadel Relay.
Modifié par GrimIntent89, 08 avril 2012 - 02:55 .
Lord of Mu wrote...
I can stand the current endings so long as Bioware follows the indoctrination theory. (Which they most likely won't)
Post waking up scene. I'd like to see an actual battle to retake the Citadel with consequences for the decisions I made for the to Citadel defense. I'd like to have a mission to clear a path through the Citadel to the Crucible where I fight the real Illusive man, now more freakishly reaper than man.
As for the Crucible itself I'd like the device to have two options:
A: Paragon, Fire a pulse wave from the Crucible that disrupts the nanites in reaper tech preventing them from communicating with each other and rendering the nanites and reaper tech intern.
B: Renegade, Fire a pulse wave from the Crucible that alters the nanites and base code in all reaper tech forcing the reapers to obey Shepard.
Lastly, I'd be fine with an added twist to carry on to Mass Effect 4. Some threatening words from Harby which state that there are older and far more destructive forces in the greater galaxy than the reapers The reapers bring order to chaos but there are some places in the universe that even the reapers dare not go. Your decision would tip the balance of power in favor of the chaotic forces.
ME 4, Beyond the Citadel Relay.
GrimIntent89 wrote...
Lord of Mu wrote...
I can stand the current endings so long as Bioware follows the indoctrination theory. (Which they most likely won't)
Post waking up scene. I'd like to see an actual battle to retake the Citadel with consequences for the decisions I made for the to Citadel defense. I'd like to have a mission to clear a path through the Citadel to the Crucible where I fight the real Illusive man, now more freakishly reaper than man.
As for the Crucible itself I'd like the device to have two options:
A: Paragon, Fire a pulse wave from the Crucible that disrupts the nanites in reaper tech preventing them from communicating with each other and rendering the nanites and reaper tech intern.
B: Renegade, Fire a pulse wave from the Crucible that alters the nanites and base code in all reaper tech forcing the reapers to obey Shepard.
Lastly, I'd be fine with an added twist to carry on to Mass Effect 4. Some threatening words from Harby which state that there are older and far more destructive forces in the greater galaxy than the reapers The reapers bring order to chaos but there are some places in the universe that even the reapers dare not go. Your decision would tip the balance of power in favor of the chaotic forces.
ME 4, Beyond the Citadel Relay.
That's actually a pretty interesting idea and I like it. It reminds me alot of the LS end of KotOR 2 where you follow Revan into dark space to battle the true sith (an even greater threat). It's corny, but interesting and likeable nonetheless.
Modifié par Lord of Mu, 08 avril 2012 - 07:22 .
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