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[Eurypterid]

Osprey39 wrote...

Well let's start with his thread title:  "Limited keybindings= fail" 

The tone of that title is kind of snotty and then he goes on in the post to talk like he's some kind of uber badass that is so awesome, the only way he can find a challenge in the game is to play Nightmare mode without pausing.  Are you still wondering why people are ripping on him or is it obvious now?

It's not obvious to me why, if someone is acting like a jerk (in your eyes), you'd feel you have to as well. A well-reasoned counter argument that's not filled with insults goes a lot further to making a case for yourself than jumping on the flame-throwing bandwagon does.

Besides that, BioWare doesn't take kindly to people flaming and insulting each other on their forums. There are rules and expectations of people that post here. Just because you don't like what someone says or how they say it doesn't give you free rein to start flaming.

[Skydiver8888]

Gabochido wrote...

From a developer's point of view, its not nice when someone calls you an FT right from the bat, so I agree with those who say that the OP could have written a better feedback post.

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower. In our testing, we did not have such a power user so when the feedback came back it was decided that the keyboard bindings we had were enough so we went with that.

Now that we have feedback from a greater number of players we can see that we may have missed the playing style of a few. We'll see what we can do in the future with this feedback. But once again I will say that there are ways of saying things that won't get anyone angry.

Agreed, and thanks for the response.  Good to know that it's at least on your radar.

dammit, if only i didn't live really far away, i'd apply for some kind of job at Bioware...just seems like a great company with great people.  The game industry really needs to get into the telecommuting thing

[Jay Kidd]

Great, Finally a dev replied.

I think there must be a way to satisfy ALL people. For example, a vertically expandable hotbar, i.e. unlimited SLOTs. First 10 SLOT get their default keybindings, and power users can map the other slots in the options menu?

[Bluesmith]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Can't anyone just respond to a post without flying off the handle because someone says they play WoW?
The OP is entirely correct. There is no reason not to allow the rebinding of every single key in the game. I would argue that the game should even let us bind multiple commands to the same key so we can trigger more than one thing at a time.
I'd never use such a feature (I'd rather there be a pause button in the UI so I could play entirely with a mouse), but there's no reason to force us to use a particular key for a particular feature. Games do this only to reduce the customer service burden (when people call for help, it's easier to help them if you know what their control scheme is. Since most of us never call customer support, I don't think we should pay the price to make CS easier.
The OP is entirely correct. Unlimited keybinding would be superior.

My thoughts exactly. 

As for WoW, I wonder why people are so hostile to it? I understand that there will always be some level of hatred levied against those successful precisely because they are so, sure, but this forum has transformed this irrationality into an official religion. 

WoW was a good game. It made a ton of money, offered many people hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of enjoyment, and did a great deal to improve upon MMO PvE encounters. For an MMO it is quite well balanced and Blizzard has never stopped improving it through the release of free content (at least when I played, patches routinely included talent overhauls, gear reskins, and raid encounters) and paid expansion packs. I haven't played in about three years now, but I doubt very much this has changed.

[Tripedius]

While the limited keybindings could be problem, I do not see that as too annoying, as you can pause and click. But this might be cause even in Wow I'm mostly a clicker (but have everything binded for difficult raids).

However what does annoy me, is the limited actionbar. While this might only be a problem with mages, I now have to choose what to take off the actionbar in order to make room for spells/potions I want to use often. This is not practical, so it would have been nice if actionbars could be editted in game. This will probably be adressed in future patches or by modders, but as a rule game devellopers should make the interface as customizable as wow with all the add-ons installed (since wow isnt very good it interfaces as well).



That btw is always a good tip, making interfaces very customizable.

[LGWu]

Gabochido wrote...

From a developer's point of view, its not nice when someone calls you an FT right from the bat, so I agree with those who say that the OP could have written a better feedback post.

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower. In our testing, we did not have such a power user so when the feedback came back it was decided that the keyboard bindings we had were enough so we went with that.

Now that we have feedback from a greater number of players we can see that we may have missed the playing style of a few. We'll see what we can do in the future with this feedback. But once again I will say that there are ways of saying things that won't get anyone angry.

Gabby

Excellent post dude

Its great to hear from the people that actually style a game.

I could write a1 stories but cant program worth crap. I can build ace gorgious play areas but
would never come up with the very best scriptinhg like morrigan an allistair.
Thanks for posting
and key binding is a fringe thing  like i said Il2 needs it.. Dragonage does not 'need it'
iwith pause mouse contol is all that is needed.
Tho sometomes the prog goes spastic  probably to many cued commands

[Sylvius the Mad]

Gabochido wrote...

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower.

The mouse doesn't have to be slower.  An on-screen pause button and the ability to manually arrange the inventory would speed the mouse work considerably.

I would love to be able to play DAO using only the mouse.  And I could if there were an on-screen pause button.

[Dynamomark]

Gabochido wrote...

From a developer's point of view, its not nice when someone calls you an FT right from the bat, so I agree with those who say that the OP could have written a better feedback post.

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower. In our testing, we did not have such a power user so when the feedback came back it was decided that the keyboard bindings we had were enough so we went with that.

Now that we have feedback from a greater number of players we can see that we may have missed the playing style of a few. We'll see what we can do in the future with this feedback. But once again I will say that there are ways of saying things that won't get anyone angry.

Guys, please consider something like the 'F' key in neverwinter nights 2. Pressing that key brought up a small quickbar menu on the screen with all the spells you had memorized, which you could then click with a mouse and cast. This would be much better than going into the talents screen and then clicking on spells/talents that do not fit into the quickbar.

[LGWu]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Gabochido wrote...

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower.

The mouse doesn't have to be slower.  An on-screen pause button and the ability to manually arrange the inventory would speed the mouse work considerably.

I would love to be able to play DAO using only the mouse.  And I could if there were an on-screen pause button.

Agree totally . Now many times i have wished for a pause  button on screen...
If wishes were pennies id be [more] of a millionair

Wish i had more.. i could buy bioware but im mot in that league.
i can dream no?

Modifié par LGWu, 04 décembre 2009 - 06:06 .

[Valamyr]

Gabochido wrote...

From a developer's point of view, its not nice when someone calls you an FT right from the bat, so I agree with those who say that the OP could have written a better feedback post.

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower. In our testing, we did not have such a power user so when the feedback came back it was decided that the keyboard bindings we had were enough so we went with that.

Now that we have feedback from a greater number of players we can see that we may have missed the playing style of a few. We'll see what we can do in the future with this feedback. But once again I will say that there are ways of saying things that won't get anyone angry.

Thanks for considering it.

Personally Id like both more keybindings and the ability to add a second row of shortcuts. 48 keybinds is sufficient. (1 to =, with second rows activated with Shift, Ctrl and Alt, works great)

[LGWu]

Valamyr wrote...

Gabochido wrote...

From a developer's point of view, its not nice when someone calls you an FT right from the bat, so I agree with those who say that the OP could have written a better feedback post.

In any case, the majority of people who play games are not power users who memorize the whole keyboard to be able to play in the most efficient way. Most use the mouse which is much more intuitive but can be slower. In our testing, we did not have such a power user so when the feedback came back it was decided that the keyboard bindings we had were enough so we went with that.

Now that we have feedback from a greater number of players we can see that we may have missed the playing style of a few. We'll see what we can do in the future with this feedback. But once again I will say that there are ways of saying things that won't get anyone angry.

Thanks for considering it.

Personally Id like both more keybindings and the ability to add a second row of shortcuts. 48 keybinds is sufficient. (1 to =, with second rows activated with Shift, Ctrl and Alt, works great)

 wow i;ve not yet filled the available task bar
let alone needed a secomd one

And i blow away opposition on normal and hold my own on hard.
i dont play uber caus it is just silly
lets armourplate the enemy in collapsed mater in see if we can sunder it... WHY?
The Ai is not better, so the point is?

[Sylvius the Mad]

LGWu wrote...

Agree totally . Now many times i have wished for a pause  button on screen...

I asked for this feature repeatedly during development, but BioWare did not listen.

We haven't had an on-screen pause button since BG2.  I want it back.

[Terwox_]

Something wrong with the spacebar? Or just wants some extra options?

[LGWu]

Why i wonder

It seems obvious that such a feature pd mechanics only and make the game more FUN
My limited understanding of prgraming says it should be a no issue. So why is it not there.
[jesus i Hate having metal hands.. spend more time editing than,  speaking]
poor me  lol

Modifié par LGWu, 04 décembre 2009 - 06:34 .

[LGWu]

doh terwox is here . jest got ot of bed lazy ****... i;ll step back lol
love the beard

Modifié par LGWu, 04 décembre 2009 - 06:41 .

[JabberJaww]

Anyone who tries to convince everyone they are not a kid, and is a l33t gamerzz who can beat nightmare on the first run because the game is so easy is...... wait for it.....



a liar and a kid

[Bibdy]

JabberJaww wrote...

Anyone who tries to convince everyone they are not a kid, and is a l33t gamerzz who can beat nightmare on the first run because the game is so easy is...... wait for it.....

a liar and a kid

Does it make you feel better to think that the people better than you at something are children?

Some people just picked up on the 'cheesey' tactics very quickly. They realised how overpowered the CC effect duration and cooldown of Cone of Cold was, they discovered the ridiculous 'fish in a barrel' strat of Taunt + Force Field, they realised the Nightmare modifiers are largely irrelevant when your opponents are CC'd to hell, can't deal damage to you and can't fight back, and away they went.

Some people are just plain better at discovering new weird and wonderful strategies than others. I'm certainly not one of them. I went through the game with Alistair, Wynne and Leliana the first time around and had a hell of a time because I didn't have any CC at all (besides Scattershot, which always resulted in a zerg heading for Leliana, responding with a taunt on Alistair and him getting his ass kicked).

Heck, some people probably just rolled a Mage and tagged Morrigan along. With 2 Mages pumping out AOE damage and CC, the game can be trivial enough without having to discover any particularly weird strat.

Had I known those aforementioned tricks earlier on, I would have just breezed through the game and, to be honest, it would have been pretty dull, so I'd probably be on the forums complaining about the ease of the game along with them.

Modifié par Bibdy, 04 décembre 2009 - 06:58 .

[LGWu]

JabberJaww wrote...

Anyone who tries to convince everyone they are not a kid, and is a l33t gamerzz who can beat nightmare on the first run because the game is so easy is...... wait for it.....

a liar and a kid

Anyone who calls them selves a l33t gamer
is a punk ****
You oh mighty warrior,, Face me in real life with steak knives or even bare hands and your entrail are on the floor before you can blink  ,, and im only good with scatter guns.. pumps actually and longrifles.
And im 50..  take the old man boy,    try. anyway cretin
life is humdrum.  gutting you would make may day
I freely will give time and place
please make my day

Fool

Modifié par LGWu, 04 décembre 2009 - 07:59 .

[Eurypterid]

That's enough of those kind of posts. If you can't post on-topic, then don't post at all.

[LGWu]

They realised how overpowered the CC effect duration and cooldown of Cone of Cold was

yeh i noticed in second playthough
Im a bit slow. even with an iq the size or corsica.
Never look for such in game play,  i just play the game,
Sometimes i find good combos but surely i miss scores of them..


Hasta la vista BABY

[LGWu]

soz



@50 i should know better.. bored .com

[Boogielicious]

I'm all for more quickslots, it was one of the first complaints I had. It has nothing to do with being a WoW player, or my age, or "l33tness", it's a simple matter of convenience. What is the big hoohaa?

[MartinJHolm]

LGWu wrote...

MartinJHolm wrote...

Zarenthar wrote...

First: I'm hardly a kid I'm 27 and I have a daughter.

You still act like one.

Im 50 and have a psychologist daughter
She would eat  miss 'your a kid' alive.. lol can i make a vid of that?
Kinky .. im a BAD MAN
Your a Kid, Martin
Do not presume that YOU know know how  to act..
What you call right action or right thinking is usually all that brings grief to this poor world
 idiots that spout ethical correctness based on what others say is correct  are a dime a billion

Some will spout off topic. but the post i question is on topic?
There are forums and there are farces.. 'Your a kid' wound last 30 seconds on a real phlosophy forum

Aren't you the clever one, at least I couldn't quite get what you were talking about so you must outwit me.

But to the point I only called the way the op acted childish because of the way he presents his topic starting with the thread title.

Modifié par MartinJHolm, 04 décembre 2009 - 08:33 .

[Mavkiel]

For the love of all that is holy, can we just stop mentioning WoW? Is has absolutly nothing to do with the issue. The game should have come up with bindable keys. It is annoying as heck to have to hunt down a spell I want to cast. Yes, the bar on the bottom can be expanded, no its not a good solution. Its ugly as sin, and still a pain to hunt down things.



I am just glad I have a programmable mouse. I can bind my 9 and 0 keys to buttons on it. Makes using those keys faster and easier. (Usually use my defensive spells for those keys.)

[Blue_dodo]

you know were it is more of an issue ? the consoles we only have eight 12 (minus those for putting in potions, traps, swap weapon command) and on top of that the quick wheel tends to bug out,such as an action not working AT ALL.



there's my ****ing session for the day I tend to not complain to much but sometimes well, it's nice.