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[Zolt51]

AxholeRose wrote...

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Oh this is GOLD! Genius! 
Can I frame it and hang it somewhere?

Modifié par Zolt51, 07 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[GBGriffin]

AxholeRose wrote...


This is the sober, depressing view of it.  Godchild is not going to be removed.  But the funny thing is that, if all they do is add some cutscenes for 'closure', ie Extended Ending, then the Indoc Theory can still live on.  ME4.

Yep, and that's the "beauty" of IT: anything can support it. You can make anything support it and dismiss any evidence to the contrary.

Again, it's clear to me that they're not going to support it, so I'm not sure exactly what people are looking for in terms of proof to the contrary. I'm not sure what, if anything, will be good enough for some people to finally break their attachment.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

GBGriffin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...


This is the sober, depressing view of it.  Godchild is not going to be removed.  But the funny thing is that, if all they do is add some cutscenes for 'closure', ie Extended Ending, then the Indoc Theory can still live on.  ME4.

Yep, and that's the "beauty" of IT: anything can support it. You can make anything support it and dismiss any evidence to the contrary.

Again, it's clear to me that they're not going to support it, so I'm not sure exactly what people are looking for in terms of proof to the contrary. I'm not sure what, if anything, will be good enough for some people to finally break their attachment.

Once again why do you care?

[kleindropper]

nullobject wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

So help me out here; does the anti-IT crowd like the current ending? Or have you just accepted it as the $80 turd sandwich that it is and moved on with no hope for a correction?

As the OP I can answer a little.

I think the endings are awful, and pretty much irredeemable without total removal of the Godchild.

Bioware aren't going to do that, so the story is irreversably screwed.

Read about Individuation Theory in my sig if you want to know my guess at how it came to be so bad.

So this whole arguement is moot, I guess?

Between Angry Joe's latest rant, the PAX debacle today, and this, I am ready to give up.  I'll keep my game loaded until the DLC but my hope level is down to about 2%.

[AxholeRose]

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...


This is the sober, depressing view of it.  Godchild is not going to be removed.  But the funny thing is that, if all they do is add some cutscenes for 'closure', ie Extended Ending, then the Indoc Theory can still live on.  ME4.

Yep, and that's the "beauty" of IT: anything can support it. You can make anything support it and dismiss any evidence to the contrary.

Again, it's clear to me that they're not going to support it, so I'm not sure exactly what people are looking for in terms of proof to the contrary. I'm not sure what, if anything, will be good enough for some people to finally break their attachment.

Once again why do you care?

He supported IT before

[Armdin]

kleindropper wrote...

nullobject wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

So help me out here; does the anti-IT crowd like the current ending? Or have you just accepted it as the $80 turd sandwich that it is and moved on with no hope for a correction?

As the OP I can answer a little.

I think the endings are awful, and pretty much irredeemable without total removal of the Godchild.

Bioware aren't going to do that, so the story is irreversably screwed.

Read about Individuation Theory in my sig if you want to know my guess at how it came to be so bad.

So this whole arguement is moot, I guess?

Between Angry Joe's latest rant, the PAX debacle today, and this, I am ready to give up.  I'll keep my game loaded until the DLC but my hope level is down to about 2%.

Angry Joe's updated? Sweet! I've been waiting for his response! (Here's hoping it's as hilarious as Mind Jack, though it's probably going to be a serious rant).

[Trentgamer]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I am actually sorry for Bioware because they wasted this opportunity.

Yep they could have made something awesome with this, and just 'gone' with it. But we all know, that would compromise their 'artistic integrity'. I really hate that buzz phrase now.

[ryuasiu]

Osiris273 wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...


I would not call it faith. 

The guy who started the IT thread would disagree.

Then they are idiots for trying to tell me I have to have faith in an IDEA. Which it sill is to me, just an idea.

From Dogma:
Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the **** that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism. But especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it. 
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good? 
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier... 

You called them idiots for trying to fix the ending, good job man, good job.

+100000000

I have mistyped "good", sorry.

No, I am calling them idiots for trying to tell me and others to have faith in IT instead of having IT as an Idea or theory, provided the quotes GBGriffin are true and taken in their literal context. If you go though my posts history you can see I have made posts before on IT

[nullobject]

kleindropper wrote...

So this whole arguement is moot, I guess?

Well, the 'argument' I was trying to spark with this thread was some discussion of what level of evidence Indoc Theorists would need to abandon their view that the "greatest twist ending in gaming history" was always intended, and is still on the way.

But the second post in the thread pretty much answered that, and half the following posts have been Indoc Theorists quoting it approvingly, so I guess I know.

[ryuasiu]

nullobject wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

So this whole arguement is moot, I guess?

Well, the 'argument' I was trying to spark with this thread was some discussion of what level of evidence Indoc Theorists would need to abandon their view that the "greatest twist ending in gaming history" was always intended, and is still on the way.

But the second post in the thread pretty much answered that, and half the following posts have been Indoc Theorists quoting it approvingly, so I guess I know.

I agree with the second poster that the theory will die when we get confirmation or we see ending

I dont agree with that bosh'tet that hes a biger fan then anyone. some people just need to relax on these forums

[Alamar2078]

I embrace IT but recognized it for what it was for ... the last best hope for a good ending whether it was intended or not.

In the end I wouldn't feel sorry for us IT people ... we were just looking for any way to rationalize what seemed to be a totally irrational ending the only way we could.

The folks that I feel sorry for are those that bought in to BW's prelaunch hype, bought a product expecting a satisfying conclusion and got "artistic vision" instead. Compound this if those people were not able to return the game and at least get a refund.

I also feel sorry for the people that "loved" [as much as you can "love" a game] the ME series and were so invested and then BW knowingly opted to inflict pain upon these people. It always hurts more when someone you trust or "love" hurts you.

[Janeaba-]

well its not like Bioware told the truth with the ending of ME3 the first time, whats stopping them from just lying again?

Modifié par Janeaba-, 07 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[chevyguy87]

I feel bad for the people who took their time out to sit through that charade.

[acidic-ph0]

I was never fully on the IT bandwaggon... But you know what? Those people who thought up the theory and poured so much time into crafting a fairly sane and reasonable explanation for the absolutely sh!tacular ending that we got deserve our respect.

No other fan-explanation could come close to rationalizing the epic pile of deus ex machina garbage that we got. And so honestly, yeah after all that hard work... I do feel sorry for them.

In short, I'm extremely proud of the fans and all gamers who tried their best to preserve TRUE artistic integrity by attempting to fix what is clearly a badly designed ending with a creative and reasonably lore based explanation.

[CavScout]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

CavScout wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I am actually sorry for Bioware because they wasted this opportunity.

^This.

The fact that fans of the game could come up with a better ending shortly after playing the game, than the actual writers could create on their very best day after 2 years of development is one of the most epically sad things I've seen lately. Gotta feel sad for Bioware.

IT is not better....

I don't actually support the IT theory as a true ending...but it is better than the RGB Genocide ending in my opinion. At least unlike the current ending, it's original.

A) It's not better than the current ending
It can't be original if it was planned by BW the whole time....

[CavScout]

Armdin wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

CavScout wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I am actually sorry for Bioware because they wasted this opportunity.

^This.

The fact that fans of the game could come up with a better ending shortly after playing the game, than the actual writers could create on their very best day after 2 years of development is one of the most epically sad things I've seen lately. Gotta feel sad for Bioware.

IT is not better....

I don't actually support the IT theory as a true ending...but it is better than the RGB Genocide ending in my opinion. At least unlike the current ending, it's original.

I could be missing something, but of the whole ending's problem RGB wasn't even on my list of complaints. I don't know about ME1 (only got the PS3 and a wheezy laptop that can barely handle Solitare), but ME2's ending consisted of Blow up the base/Keep the base. Getting RGB should, I feel, have been expected.

Don't tell them picking from two or three ending choices has always been the ME way.. it will confuse them and make them hate the other two game too!

[Faceless Minion]

I feel sorry for Bioware.

They lost another customer, and I'm certainly not alone.

[Unfallen_Satan]

I think it's too early to count them out. The DLC may yet reveal the whole thing to be Indoctrination. Shepard may wake up, having resisted Indoctrination like they hoped, and proceeds to destroy the Reapers without any input from the player. Shepard may just end up Indoctrinated, or dead. Someone may even have gone in his place and fought and won the real fight while the weak-willed Shepard of Indoctrinists struggled with Harbinger in his mind.

Even if the new DLC completely blow their theory to hell, I feel no remorse at all for them. Many of them are among some of the strongest voices to call for a new or extended ending. They've got it. If they've left it well enough alone and interpreted the ending however they wanted, their interpretation would be just as valid as any other. No, they wanted to make it canon. Now there will be a canon ending(s). If none of is Indoctrination, it's just too damn bad.

[kleindropper]

nullobject wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

So this whole arguement is moot, I guess?

Well, the 'argument' I was trying to spark with this thread was some discussion of what level of evidence Indoc Theorists would need to abandon their view that the "greatest twist ending in gaming history" was always intended, and is still on the way.

But the second post in the thread pretty much answered that, and half the following posts have been Indoc Theorists quoting it approvingly, so I guess I know.

Ah, now I get it.  I was willing to get on board with a planned IT storyline early on, just because all the child scenes and nightmares made no sense, but the "real ending" should have come out a long time ago if this was the case.   I mistook general non-sensical incompetence for crypticness and mystery.

Bioware is leaking lost revenue with every day that goes by and the fact that they need 2-4 months to come up with something means they just royally screwed up. 

I figured IT was about their only "out" at this point.

[KevShep]

There is still hope for the I.T...

They said that they are not changing the endings ( If its the I.T. then they will not need to change it). They said that is only clarification...that could mean anything it also means that if it is the I.T then that would clarify the ending we got!

[Dean_the_Young]

It's a self-inflicted condition, so not really.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

I think it's time for a new theory the space grandpa theory! social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/11119851

[RealStyli]

KevShep wrote...

There is still hope for the I.T...

They said that they are not changing the endings ( If its the I.T. then they will not need to change it). They said that is only clarification...that could mean anything it also means that if it is the I.T then that would clarify the ending we got!

THIS. +1

I don't see where they said I.T. is NOT the explanation. In fact, they didn't really say anything. Why would they? As I said in a previous post, it would just be a spoiler to do so. Someone else said that, if we all knew (i.e. were told) it was definitely I.T., then a lot of players wouldn't download the new DLC at all. And, if they're going to spend so much time and effort on it, they really want people to download it.

So let's not rule out I.T. but it's equally wrong to think that that is the only way they can go with it. If they have the people working on the ending who wrote the rest of the game, and wrapped up such story arcs as the Quarian-Geth conflict and the Genophage cure, then there's every hope they'll write a decent ending - even if it does include the nonsensical ending as it is. If they don't, we'll just vote with our wallets. But let's hold tight and wait until the summer.

[Hellfire257]

Nope. I don't really think it was a theory anyway. It's just an interpretation.

[Pulletlamer]

I feel sorry for the Indoctrination theorists, not because I liked or agreed with the theory, but because of all the work that people put into it.

But yeah, to be honest from the beginning it just seemed like wishful thinking from people, that wanted to avoid the fact that Bioware, just plain and simple, did poor writing.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 avril 2012 - 11:23 .