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[TheCinC]

There has been no firm denial of IT and they can still use it if they change their minds. So no, I don't feel sorry for myself.

[ZajoE38]

IDT fans - you are making a dogmatic relligion by this theory Bioware - thank you

[Iwillbeback]

Whatever the outcome Shepard is still Indoctrinated and the Citadel part didn't actually happen.
I do believe in the Incompetence Theory though, as for Indoctrination, it is fact Shepard is indoctrinated and Bioware can GTFO if they don't think so.

[Smiley556]

To be fairly honost, most of the biggest IT supportes (like myself, and Tiax) have made an apology on these forums after the extended cut anouncement. IT is dead, to people who never thought I would say those words, I just did. Its over. I'm not sure what I'm feeling now, sadness, dissapointment. I trusted bioware, in a sence I just couldnt believe they were this stupid. Turned out my trust was misplaced.

To reiterate for the people who missed the apology thread, again, sorry for pushing IT, and calling people who didnt understand it ignorant. I sincerely apologise.

Modifié par Smiley556, 07 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[sorentoft]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Or just in utter denial.

Smiley556 wrote...

To be fairly honost, most of the biggest IT supportes (like myself, and Tiax) have made an apology on these forums after the extended cut anouncement. IT is dead, to people who never thought I would say those words, I just did. Its over. I'm notsure what I'm feeling now, sadness, dissapointment. I trusted bioware, in a sence I just couldnt believe they were this stupid. Turned out my trust was misplaced.

To reiterate for the people who missed the apology thread, again, sorry for pushing IT, and calling people who didnt understand it ignorant. I sincerely apologise.

*hands cookie*

Modifié par sorentoft, 07 avril 2012 - 11:41 .

[GongStar]

No, I don't feel sorry...
They haven't exactly been humble about their bull**** theory.
Even now they are hanging on to it.

[Jaroslav Jakubov]

http://bertolli.podb...ending-special/

[xxSanitysuxx]

I neither dismissed the IT completely as rubbish, nor did i believe it 100%. I loved it, and hoped and wanted it to be true... the amount of "evidence" in its support was pretty convincing... but a voice from within kept saying "its too clever"... i never lost hope though, until the day hypnotoad accepted defeat

[Jayce]

Simply put the Indoctrination Theory is the fan's being more creative and lore savvy than the writers. That's nothing new really, there's a lot of good fan fiction out there, (if you can wade through all the crap and slash). So I actually think it's cool some people could take that steaming pile of crap and come up with something that not only made sense but was brilliantly clever.

But ultimately it's not what Casey and Mac were going for and frankly PAX made it clear that Bioware have no intention of picking it up and running with it, (I didn't think they would anyway due to certain considerations to do with Intellectual Property law).

I'll wait and see what the extended cut changes before making my mind up but it seems we're in for a polished turd.

Modifié par Jayce F, 07 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[pacientK]

I am not.
I'm sorry for BW though.

[Iwillbeback]

Smiley556 wrote...

To be fairly honost, most of the biggest IT supportes (like myself, and Tiax) have made an apology on these forums after the extended cut anouncement. IT is dead, to people who never thought I would say those words, I just did. Its over. I'm not sure what I'm feeling now, sadness, dissapointment. I trusted bioware, in a sence I just couldnt believe they were this stupid. Turned out my trust was misplaced.

To reiterate for the people who missed the apology thread, again, sorry for pushing IT, and calling people who didnt understand it ignorant. I sincerely apologise.

That is idiotic, shepard is indoctrinated so that doesn't change anything.
The citadel part never happened and Shepard has to finish the fight.

[naddaya]

GongStar wrote...

No, I don't feel sorry...
They haven't exactly been humble about their bull**** theory.
Even now they are hanging on to it.

Humble? What the hell should we be humble for? The IT is still the most brilliant and reasonable solution to this mess, and it hasn't be denied yet.

[BD Manchild]

I want to put as much faith in BioWare as the theorists clearly do, but right now I can only take BioWare's statements at face value; I have the horrible feeling they're not smart enough to come up with something like this. If my worst fears about the EC DLC are confirmed - that they're just going to explain why the ending stinks rather than actually making it not stink - then I'm going to ignore it and adopt the IT as my own personal headcanon. God alone knows it's better than the crap that's actually in the game.

[davishepard]

People should just stop saying "Bioware is not smart enough to came up with IT". No one in Bioware will read this and think "We have to prove that we are smart enough by using this IT!".

It seems like cheap psychology from the part of this people, and no, they will not fall for it.

[Kargsure]

I like the IT, it gave hope to the fans that the series wouldn't end with a sour note, and it gave Bioware a get out of jail free card - a legitimate, some would even say brilliant, way to retcon the ending and come out of the mess looking a lot less tarnished.

Having watched & read a number of explanations on the theory, there was enough "evidence" to allow the IT to be used without it seeming to have just been tacked on (which is what the current ending feels like).

My main concern with the whole theory is that if it had been true (ie planned from the start rather than being used as a way to solve the problem retroactively), it would have been sensible for Bioware to announce it sooner rather than later following the fan reactions. In light of the fan reactions, there is no way the PR reps for BW & EA would have been advising anything other than "don't wait until planned release date - tell them the good news NOW".

That they weren't rushing to make such an announcement is the main reason I couldn't buy into the theory completely (which is a shame because it means I'm left with the current ending).

Modifié par Kargsure, 07 avril 2012 - 12:38 .

[nullobject]

Sentiment seems pretty clear in this thread that IT is still alive until Bioware explicitly deny it (or release an ending that clearly rules it out)

Sentiment is also pretty clear that Indoc Theorists are certain they are bigger ME/Bioware fans than anyone else, but I'll give them that - I have no desire to be identified as a hardcore fan of something that was disappointing.

So.... any Indoc Theorists want to comment on how the original theory that Bioware planned this all along and had the "real" ending ready to go at launch is no longer viable?

Bioware have been pretty clear that they've only just started on the new ending DLC.... so how do y'all harmonize that with the "grand plan" theory? Does that mean that Indoctrination Theory now states that Bioware's original plan was to release an incomplete game, then make people wait months for the real ending?

Given Bioware stated that other DLC was delayed to accomodate getting the Extended Cut completed ASAP, how long do you think they were originally going to make us wait?

Modifié par nullobject, 07 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[RealStyli]

Anyone have the link where BioWare say that IT is definitely not happening in the ending? I've been looking everywhere for it?

[CavScout]

m_k wrote...

GongStar wrote...

No, I don't feel sorry...
They haven't exactly been humble about their bull**** theory.
Even now they are hanging on to it.

Humble? What the hell should we be humble for? The IT is still the most brilliant and reasonable solution to this mess, and it hasn't be denied yet.

It's neither brilliant nor reasonable. It's a few people not liking a current ending so their solution is to pretend it never happened. It not brilliant or reasonable, it's delusional and sad.

[MustacheManatee]

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for Bioware. It's got to be embarrassing that their fans came up with a better, more lore consistent narrative. I would have loved to be in the room the first time they watched that indoc video! I can hear them now:
"Ah crap, why didn't we think of that?"

[RealStyli]

MustacheManatee wrote...

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for Bioware. It's got to be embarrassing that their fans came up with a better, more lore consistent narrative. I would have loved to be in the room the first time they watched that indoc video! I can hear them now:
"Ah crap, why didn't we think of that?"

You're assuming that it wasn't something they thought of. The fact that there's so much evidence and narrative to make a coherant argument for I.T. could mean that it was their intention all along, they just messed it up and made it too vague and hard to understand.

Even if they do use I.T. we might never know if it was their plan from the start because it fits so well and it even fits quite well with the ending as it is,

[Dorrieb]

To all IT people: It doesn't matter whether you were right or wrong, the whole thing was genius. You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about or apologize for. 

[iorveth1271]

Bioware wasted a good opportunity to fix the ending. Instead they clarify it as if we're just unable to comprehend their level of intellect and artistic integrity.

I was hoping Bioware was at least able to think that far. Now they're just making me angry.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Actually I felt the IT people, myself included, were attempting to give the ME3 writers and out for the crappy ending, and a chance to do a proper ending to the trilogy. It was a way of making sense of a nonsensical ending that appeared out of nowhere with no explanation.

Apparently they're not willing to go this route so we'll just have to drop it and wait for Oliver Stone to make a movie: "The Indoctrination Of Commander Shepard"

[CavScout]

iorveth1271 wrote...

Bioware wasted a good opportunity to fix the ending. Instead they clarify it as if we're just unable to comprehend their level of intellect and artistic integrity.

I was hoping Bioware was at least able to think that far. Now they're just making me angry.

Like I said before, Indoctrination Theorists are delusional and sad.