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[FatalX7.0]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Desperation.

[wheelierdan]

if you have to make up an ending to a game to be a fan, you arent a fan of bioware youre a fan of your own head cannon

[vigna]

No, because Final hours basically siad that It was never intended...yeesh.

I think Bioware may push IT a bit onto Synthesis and Control endings, but it was never really "The True Answer".
Just realize the ending is the ending..they'll try to make it more palateable, and we will all move along.....

[Dranks]

Jenonax wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

-snip-

Wow.  I mean, just wow. 

Could you be a more disgusting human being?

Report and move on. That's what I did. 

[vigna]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

I'm sorry? IT is fan fic...intelligent, but ultimately shown to be false in Final hours--weeeeks ago. people still latching onto it are doing so out of some twisted sense of a ME3 saving desperation. The ending as written sucks and it was was apparently meant to be that way.

It is over.........................

[Erethrian]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

@OP

Supporter of IT here. First, I agree with AxholeRose.

And now, if IT is not true but the "clarification" is good ( so everything's explained and makes sense) then I'm completely fine, and I'm sure all the "theorists" will be fine. It doesn't matter what we want to believe, because we're not telling you what to think. Feel free to think what you want but there's no need to feel sorry about us.

[Zany Jedi]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Oh my god, I always have. From day one.

It's like down syndrome. You want to believe that they are capable of leading fulfilling lives, but it's hard to ignore the cruelty nature has inflicted on them.

Reported.

[Dranks]

Erethrian wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

@OP

Supporter of IT here. First, I agree with AxholeRose.

And now, if IT is not true but the "clarification" is good ( so everything's explained and makes sense) then I'm completely fine, and I'm sure all the "theorists" will be fine. It doesn't matter what we want to believe, because we're not telling you what to think. Feel free to think what you want but there's no need to feel sorry about us.

This. I'm not even sure I still believe it after today, but I really don't care if they give us something good. In the end all I wanted was what I considered to be a good ending. I don't care what that ending is as long as I like it. 

[nullobject]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Well, that BioWare disproves Indoctrination (what they haven't done exactly, yet) only shows that the theorists are bigger fans to the franchise than the actual writers.

...and that's an even better summary

I don't see a reason to feel sorry for them.

I don't think the situation you describe can possibly turn out well for the fans, hence the feeling sorry.

[The Nur]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

VERY well said indeed

[Siibi]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

[SlySpy0]

I do feel somewhat sorry for some of the theorists who were really hopeful that Bioware would pull through for them with this creative idea. However, I do not feel sorry for all of them

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

And that is why. Although a good number of theorists don't act this way, there have been many of them who have tried acting superior to people because they think other people "aren't smart enough to get it" because "bioware are geniuses". These are the same people who would preach a theory like it's gospel, then go into every topic they could so they could spread their propaganda, without actually doing full research to see if there were any holes in their own theories. The ironic thing about this whole thing, is that many of these people actually indoctrinated themselves into thinking this theory was true, and that anyone who did not agree with them were indoctrinated, and were not good enough fans.

To those people, I hope some humility was learned from all this. As for the rest of them, yes, I do feel sorry for them, as I have said at the top.

[AxholeRose]

nullobject wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

I don't think either of those statements are in doubt.  In fact, that's kind of the whole point.

I wasn't completely sure of the intention of your OP.  What I do feel is this...  the IT theorists are comprised of many hardcore fans, players who have been following both the game and the lore since the beginning.  They understand the background and what the series is all about.  And they are also committed enough to fight against what they felt was a half-arsed effort in regards to the ending, not to mention the broken promises.

If it weren't for them, maybe BioWare wouldn't even have bothered to release this ending DLC.  They are a collective group that voices the concerns of the majority of dissatisfied fans.  You may or may not agree with their way of thinking but they are still standing up for something we believe in common, the incomplete ending.

While there are some people who still clutch at straws (I'm pessimistic after the PAX), I'm sure some are either half joking or they are still holding the line until we actually see the DLC.

In any case, we as fans should not turn on each other and ridicule each other just because we see things differently.  We accuse BioWare of trolling us, yet we troll amongst ourselves.  As fans we should find common ground and stand together against wave after wave of PR fail from BioWare.  And anyone who isn't a fan or doesn't care about the game should either leave, or stop inciting other people.

Modifié par AxholeRose, 06 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[MrHibachi]

Hard to feel sorry tbh; the intent of the ending seemed pretty clear to me and while the IT was an intriguing idea, I always knew that it was not what was intended, even though I thought it was a much much better idea and made way more sense in comparison to what was actually intended.

[Erethrian]

AxholeRose wrote...

nullobject wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

I don't think either of those statements are in doubt.  In fact, that's kind of the whole point.

I wasn't completely sure of the intention of your OP.  What I do feel is this...  the IT theorists are comprised of many hardcore fans, players who have been following both the game and the lore since the beginning.  They understand the background and what the series is all about.  And they are also committed enough to fight against what they felt was a half-arsed effort in regards to the ending, not to mention the broken promises.

If it weren't for them, maybe BioWare wouldn't even have bothered to release this ending DLC.  They are a collective group that voices the concerns of the majority of dissatisfied fans.  You may or may not agree with their way of thinking but they are still standing up for something we believe in common, the incomplete ending.

While there are some people who still clutch at straws (I'm pessimistic after the PAX), I'm sure some are either half joking or they are still holding the line until we actually see the DLC.

In any case, we as fans should not turn on each other and ridicule each other just because we see things differently.  We accuse BioWare of trolling us, yet we troll amongst ourselves.  As fans we should find common ground and stand together against wave after wave of PR fail from BioWare.  And anyone who isn't a fan or doesn't care about the game should either leave, or stop inciting other people.

Yeah, I'm always trying to say that it doesn't matter what X or Y thinks... We're all fans of the series, we all want to understand what happened, we shouldn't be attacking each other (even if it's not OP's intention  ).

[Hudathan]

Unfortunately this is the flip side to a vague, open ending. Criticizing and asking for more closure means the story no longer belongs to those with creative vision. I personally didn't believe in the theory but enjoyed all the work put out by individuals who are obviously very talented.

[Aldyramon]

nope, and I sure hope they think about it, if someone tells them we are all decended from aliens or that the moon landing was a lie...

[GBGriffin]

I feel sorry for the non-fringe believers who believed in it to find some enjoyment in the series again.


I don't feel sorry for the cultists who argue it as proof and won't accept anything other than the IT.

[AtlasMickey]

I feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy something good.

[BigGuy28]

I've felt bad for them from the beginning, but then I feel bad for all mentally handicapped people.

[Sisterofshane]

AtlasMickey wrote...

I feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy something good.

"Good" is a completely subjective term.

[kleindropper]

No indoctrination theory = Pistols magically have unlimited ammo and Shepard's body is magically connected to Anderson's so that when Shepard shoots Anderson, Shepard gets a gunshot wound.

[PhotonMaze]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

[77boy84]

I feel bad for them just like I feel bad for everyone else that played ME3 and had to deal with that ending.

Seriously, it sucks watching a developer give the finger to it's fans and spiral into one of the "bad ones" in gaming, and I hate that it happened to bioware.

[PotterGaz]

As someone who is more slightly confused than angry about the ending, I don't really fall in to any camps. Didnt hate it, didn't love it, wasn't an IT believer.

However I have a lot of respect for the IT crowd, it's a well presented form of speculation by serious fans. If Walters' end goal was to create speculation and theorising, then no-one else has come close. I also haven't seen any serious IT supporter raging either. So I guess what I'm saying is I don't see any issue with using it as a form of interpretation regarding the ending, much like Jessica Merizan, and I definitely don't feel the need to try shoot anyone down who believes it.