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[Tiax Rules All]

N7 MACK wrote...

I WAS one of them... =(

Me too.
It was never shameful to be one before, but now... come on. Face the facts. Let it go. I had to turn my views around. It wasn't easy, or ideal by any means. just realistic.

[Foulpancake]

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

This ^

I feel sorry for OP being so sure of himself and in the know when he has no clue whatsoever.

All they've announced is clarification, for all we know the gaps in the ending were spots where GI Joe came in riding My Little Pony's wielding super soakers full of sour cream and defeated the reapers... i mean i could think of nothing more bizarre that would make joker and you're entire crew flee the scene and leave shepard to die...could you?

[Sisterofshane]

Caz Tirin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Does that help you sleep at night?  I'm just curious, because if self-delusion works that well, maybe it's something doctors should prescribe to insomniacs.

OK, have had enough of this.

IT was contrived from a poorly written and PURPOSEFULLY vague ending - remember they wanted speculation?

Coming onto the BSN and belittling people who came up with a way to explain an ending, and then in turn offering up nothing in return by means of a REAL discussion, really makes me lose faith in humanity.


Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Seboist wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

They were biggger fans of Bioware not of ME. They were a gaggle of butthurt fanboys who couldn't come to terms with the fact that the horrible from the get-go crucible plot came to it's "logical" conclusion at the end or that their beloved developer are incapable of planning a more cohesive series than a fighting game developer like Arc System Works has done with Blazblue.

Herpderp, lets all jump on the bandwagon, very good.

Five bucks also says they have no problems with the retconned Cerberus superpower upstaging the reapers or the sht!tty contrivences like the Rachni and Geth plots.

No actually this was a stretch at best. They did answer Cerberus being a super power, they were abducting civilizations and forcefully transforming them into intelligent husks that could be used as shock troops. Someone didn't pay attention. The Geth on the other hand, well they're machines.... rationality goes out the window when 1+1=2.

As I said, both are a stretch regardless. Otherwise, no five dollars for you. YOU GET NOTHING!

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 07 avril 2012 - 12:42 .

[CavScout]

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

[ElementL09]

If you can't deny or disapprove a Theory, then its still a Theory. IT is more the possible, but the developers wont admit it.

[Aaleel]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Does that help you sleep at night?  I'm just curious, because if self-delusion works that well, maybe it's something doctors should prescribe to insomniacs.

OK, have had enough of this.

IT was contrived from a poorly written and PURPOSEFULLY vague ending - remember they wanted speculation?

Coming onto the BSN and belittling people who came up with a way to explain an ending, and then in turn offering up nothing in return by means of a REAL discussion, really makes me lose faith in humanity.


Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

The irony in this is astounding.  First you have a problem with the reply and not with someone claiming to be a bigger fan that someone else just because they don't agree with them.  Then the whole believing in the IT makes one more observant and creative with endings is just, wow.

Modifié par Aaleel, 07 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[The_Other_M]

No, it was a stupid theory to begin with.

[Caz Tirin]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Does that help you sleep at night?  I'm just curious, because if self-delusion works that well, maybe it's something doctors should prescribe to insomniacs.

OK, have had enough of this.

IT was contrived from a poorly written and PURPOSEFULLY vague ending - remember they wanted speculation?

Coming onto the BSN and belittling people who came up with a way to explain an ending, and then in turn offering up nothing in return by means of a REAL discussion, really makes me lose faith in humanity.


Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

I'm not belittling his like for IT.  I'm belittling him for his assertion that the pro-IT crowd are the biggest fans.

It's not a matter of being observant, either.  Most of IT was put together by one person and then many people added pieces to it.  MOST of the pro-IT crowd didn't add anything, only repeated the evidence already gathered.  That's not observant, that's just agreeing with what's already there.  Same goes for being creative.

The biggest fans of Mass Effect put together lists of plot holes, contradictions and massive deviations from narrative cohesion.  Some of the things in those lists include evidence from IT.

[Sisterofshane]

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

And that they are.  It doesn't make them right, but most of us wouldn't blink twice before biting into our "toast" - these are the people who were willing to look beyond face-value and, instead of instantly coming on the forums to complain, chose to look at the ending sequence a little more critically.

And, either way you slice it, they managed to gather some pretty compelling evidence for their theory.  The only rebuttal I've ever heard was that it's just "bad writing".

[RealStyli]

Why are we all arguing with one another? We're all fans of Mass Effect and a lot of us feel let down by the ending as it is. Now, whether BioWare will adopt (or indeed originally intended IT in the first place) or not, we won't know until the new ending is released. They're not going to say one way or another because that would be akin to a spoiler.

We can give them the benefit of the doubt, which I will do, until the summer.... or we can get nasty and start flinging nonsense about who is right and who is wrong, who is the bigger fan and who doesn't know their arse from their elbow - it's all non-constructive and achieves nothing.

Personally, I won't be touching any more Mass Effect content than I already have until the ending drops and then I'll decide if I feel they've done the franchise justice and I'll either resume my interest in learning more about the universe or I'll put my geek energy into something new... maybe something involving the real world, who knows.

So... please... be civil... we're better than this.

[Caz Tirin]

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

I almost choked on my drink when I read this.  You're awesome, sir!  :D

[Hunter_Wolf]

The_Other_M wrote...

No, it was a stupid theory to begin with.

Only stupid because the ending on it's own wouldn't support it. You're letting your personal experience judge for you rather than think outside of the box. GG

[Caz Tirin]

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

And that they are.  It doesn't make them right, but most of us wouldn't blink twice before biting into our "toast" - these are the people who were willing to look beyond face-value and, instead of instantly coming on the forums to complain, chose to look at the ending sequence a little more critically.

And, either way you slice it, they managed to gather some pretty compelling evidence for their theory.  The only rebuttal I've ever heard was that it's just "bad writing".

Never go full retard.

Modifié par Caz Tirin, 07 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[Ariq]

Have some of you never analyzed a work of literature before? Never sat down with a book and thought, "what is this saying and how do I make sense of it?" Do you at least understand the Indoctrination Theory is attempting to critique the narrative of the game from within the text? 

No, Bioware did not "kill" Indoctrination Theory; in fact, they refused to do so when given the chance.

[AxholeRose]

 

Seboist wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

They were biggger fans of Bioware not of ME. They were a gaggle of butthurt fanboys who couldn't come to terms with the fact that the horrible from the get-go crucible plot came to it's "logical" conclusion at the end or that their beloved developer are incapable of planning a more cohesive series than a fighting game developer like Arc System Works has done with Blazblue.

Five bucks also says they have no problems with the retconned Cerberus superpower upstaging the reapers or the sht!tty contrivences like the Rachni and Geth plots.

The same butthurt fanboys are the ones who are standing up for you and me, and putting pressure on BioWare.  While the Indoc Theory and Retake Movement are two seperate groups, they share the same core of people who are campaigning actively.  

GBGriffin wrote...

Well, if they are "bigger" fans than me, what does that make me? Presumably, it would make me a lesser one.

Reagrdless, I'm fine not being associated with them.

It makes you a complainer, a negative person who spends a lot of time confronting people on the forums, people who share the same disappointment in the ending as you, but are willing to do something about it.  Whether or not the IT theory makes sense is irrelevant....  the fact that it caught on like wildfire and even gained the attention of social media proves that it is not some random ideas poorly strung together.  Instead a collective group of people further developed the theory and it will be remembered in the history of ME3.  So there is nothing to feel sorry for.  Instead they should be damn proud for standing up for what they believe in, standing against the endless waves of PR and patronization from BioWare, as well as condescentment from fellow gamers.

[CavScout]

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

And that they are.  It doesn't make them right, but most of us wouldn't blink twice before biting into our "toast" - these are the people who were willing to look beyond face-value and, instead of instantly coming on the forums to complain, chose to look at the ending sequence a little more critically.

And, either way you slice it, they managed to gather some pretty compelling evidence for their theory.  The only rebuttal I've ever heard was that it's just "bad writing".

They are not more observant, nor are they more creative. They just suffer from apophenia. Throw them into the same bucket as Truthers and Birthers.

Modifié par CavScout, 07 avril 2012 - 12:54 .

[Sisterofshane]

Caz Tirin wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

Indoc Theorists are people willing to give BioWare the benefit of doubt until they themselves make a confirming statement.

IT theorists are bigger fans of the game than you will ever be.

Does that help you sleep at night?  I'm just curious, because if self-delusion works that well, maybe it's something doctors should prescribe to insomniacs.

OK, have had enough of this.

IT was contrived from a poorly written and PURPOSEFULLY vague ending - remember they wanted speculation?

Coming onto the BSN and belittling people who came up with a way to explain an ending, and then in turn offering up nothing in return by means of a REAL discussion, really makes me lose faith in humanity.


Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

I'm not belittling his like for IT.  I'm belittling him for his assertion that the pro-IT crowd are the biggest fans.

It's not a matter of being observant, either.  Most of IT was put together by one person and then many people added pieces to it.  MOST of the pro-IT crowd didn't add anything, only repeated the evidence already gathered.  That's not observant, that's just agreeing with what's already there.  Same goes for being creative.

The biggest fans of Mass Effect put together lists of plot holes, contradictions and massive deviations from narrative cohesion.  Some of the things in those lists include evidence from IT.

Alright, I concede that I read into your comment wrong - it's just that the tone of it doesn't exactly remind me of someone who wants to illicit an adult conversation, rather it feels like a total put down.  I can't say the same for the person who posted the original comment you replied to.

The last part of your comment here implies that you are, however, trying to have an actual conversation.  Personally, I don't think that anyone should be implying that they are "bigger" fans - we are all here because we love mass effect, and want to give input.  Whether it comes in the form of praise, critique, or theories.

[Armdin]

RealStyli wrote...

Why are we all arguing with one another? We're all fans of Mass Effect and a lot of us feel let down by the ending as it is. Now, whether BioWare will adopt (or indeed originally intended IT in the first place) or not, we won't know until the new ending is released. They're not going to say one way or another because that would be akin to a spoiler.

We can give them the benefit of the doubt, which I will do, until the summer.... or we can get nasty and start flinging nonsense about who is right and who is wrong, who is the bigger fan and who doesn't know their arse from their elbow - it's all non-constructive and achieves nothing.

Personally, I won't be touching any more Mass Effect content than I already have until the ending drops and then I'll decide if I feel they've done the franchise justice and I'll either resume my interest in learning more about the universe or I'll put my geek energy into something new... maybe something involving the real world, who knows.

So... please... be civil... we're better than this.

See what BioWare has done??? Resorting to possibilties of focusing energy on the real world?!?!
I jest, I enjoyed your post. I there were more posts like it.

[Sisterofshane]

Caz Tirin wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

And that they are.  It doesn't make them right, but most of us wouldn't blink twice before biting into our "toast" - these are the people who were willing to look beyond face-value and, instead of instantly coming on the forums to complain, chose to look at the ending sequence a little more critically.

And, either way you slice it, they managed to gather some pretty compelling evidence for their theory.  The only rebuttal I've ever heard was that it's just "bad writing".

Never go full retard.

And, I retract my last statement.  Go act like a twelve year old somewhere else.

[Caz Tirin]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

And that they are.  It doesn't make them right, but most of us wouldn't blink twice before biting into our "toast" - these are the people who were willing to look beyond face-value and, instead of instantly coming on the forums to complain, chose to look at the ending sequence a little more critically.

And, either way you slice it, they managed to gather some pretty compelling evidence for their theory.  The only rebuttal I've ever heard was that it's just "bad writing".

Never go full retard.

And, I retract my last statement.  Go act like a twelve year old somewhere else.

I converse with adults like an adult.  I converse with children on a level they can comprehend.  Guess which one you are.

[GBGriffin]

AxholeRose wrote...

It makes you a complainer, a negative person who spends a lot of time confronting people on the forums, people who share the same disappointment in the ending as you, but are willing to do something about it.  Whether or not the IT theory makes sense is irrelevant....  the fact that it caught on like wildfire and even gained the attention of social media proves that it is not some random ideas poorly strung together.  Instead a collective group of people further developed the theory and it will be remembered in the history of ME3.  So there is nothing to feel sorry for.  Instead they should be damn proud for standing up for what they believe in, standing against the endless waves of PR and patronization from BioWare, as well as condescentment from fellow gamers.

Oddly enough, I feel okay with that when faced with the alternative.

I'd rather be a negative person than a delusional fan who twists anything and everything to make it fit my theory.

[Sisterofshane]

Caz Tirin wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
Lobbing insults at people who happened be a little bit more observant and creative than most when it comes to the endings does not make you any more right, nor any better of a person.  It just makes you childish.

How are they more "observant and creative"? That's like saying those folks who see Jesus in toast are simply more "observant and creative"....

And that they are.  It doesn't make them right, but most of us wouldn't blink twice before biting into our "toast" - these are the people who were willing to look beyond face-value and, instead of instantly coming on the forums to complain, chose to look at the ending sequence a little more critically.

And, either way you slice it, they managed to gather some pretty compelling evidence for their theory.  The only rebuttal I've ever heard was that it's just "bad writing".

Never go full retard.

And, I retract my last statement.  Go act like a twelve year old somewhere else.

I converse with adults like an adult.  I converse with children on a level they can comprehend.  Guess which one you are.

Yes, because adults chose to insult and degrade as opposed to contributing anything meaningful.

[Tedler]

I don't mind the Indoctrination Theory on its own. It was completely based on circumstantial evidence, but it wasn't hurting anyone. What was idiotic was the believers who aggressively insisted that it was the truth and refused to accept that it was only a theory.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

GBGriffin wrote...

AxholeRose wrote...

It makes you a complainer, a negative person who spends a lot of time confronting people on the forums, people who share the same disappointment in the ending as you, but are willing to do something about it.  Whether or not the IT theory makes sense is irrelevant....  the fact that it caught on like wildfire and even gained the attention of social media proves that it is not some random ideas poorly strung together.  Instead a collective group of people further developed the theory and it will be remembered in the history of ME3.  So there is nothing to feel sorry for.  Instead they should be damn proud for standing up for what they believe in, standing against the endless waves of PR and patronization from BioWare, as well as condescentment from fellow gamers.

Oddly enough, I feel okay with that when faced with the alternative.

I'd rather be a negative person than a delusional fan who twists anything and everything to make it fit my theory.

GBGriffin are you by chance a Sarah Palin supporter?