291 réponses à ce sujet

[Iakus]

Nightwriter wrote...
But, dude! Ambiguous, inconclusive endings are more sophisticated and mature! Hopeful, structurally sound endings are for children!

Then I guess I'm a child 

[Wolf]

An option to refute the Catalyst's logic and a chance to question it on the topics at hand so we have a bit more information on it and it's motivations and way of thinking.

Also a chance to reunite with the crew and have a mostly golden ending (everything ends okay, but with the same sacrifices).

[Surprise Guest]

I really do hope the normandy escape and crash landing is completely removed from the ending. It sticks out as the absolute worst part about it. There's no need to clarify whether they get back in touch with others and survive or whether the new planet marks the next stage in humanity etc. It doesn't matter, the scene is utterly terrible.

However I did enjoy the mass relays blowing up (not the logic behind it), I always assumed that would be the way reapers could all be annihilated at once.

But the scene after it? The entire premise of it is really darn awful and unsophisticated. And are the earth squadmates appearing suppose to happen? Or is it a confirmed bug? But otherwise the flying away from an explosion, unlikely safe landing onto a leafy planet, smiling survivors and awkward music choice were really really dissapointing. And ME3 cutscenes were so good otherwise!

[CyberMiguel]

Bioware should take the Indoc theory and use it as the easy way out of this mess. It will keep fans happy, it'll certainly keep their "artistic ending" as it is and serves as an explanation and platform for further "clarification", context and epilogue.

[sangy]

Keep the endings for those who liked them and add alternates for the majority that didn't. Win/win.

I think an ultimate battle with Harbinger and the Crucible eliminating the reapers forever is the perfect ending. Add cutscenes of all the allies accumulated doing their part on the battlefield.

I'm not trying to make my own ending, this is how the story goes up to the end. It's what the Mass Effect team lead everyone up to. It's also what the majority would have been happy with. Of course extended cutscenes of how everyone ends up after would be appropriate too. Tali on her homeworld finally, Wrex/Wreav on Tuchanka (sp?), Shep with LI, etc. It's really a no brainer.

That's boring? Okay. You wanna twist things up for some excitement? Go with the indoctrination bit. Needing feedback? It may be tedious, look in these forums, there's an ocean of suggestions in here. Just have to have some patience sifting through the helpful and not so helpful comments. It'll work, trust me.

[Blooddsshott]

Unlike what most other people i never really had too much of a problem with the ending, granted i still thought it sucked mostly because of the plot holes and bad writing, i think the reason i found the end acceptable was i actually really liked the idea of the the ending it was just exacuted poorly. as for the extended cut, definitely more dialogue with the catalyst, maybe some more face time with harbringer "THIS HURTS HIM" and of coarse a long thought out epilogue for all the characters and races wouldn't hurt.

[Savber100]

I want Bioware to confirm to just confirm the indoctrination theory and have another end level to truly wrap up the series etc.

There are way too many plotholes for a simple 10 min clarification.

[lillitheris]

I added another separate thread about small LI enhancements I'd like to see.

[JShepard1992]

I would to see a few scenes in the end such as how the species do good or bad after the Reapers are dead or just gone for who knows how long or what the future looks like cause of your actions of doing certain deeds and helping people and a scene where you return to your love interest and live happily ever after if you do get the secret ending of surviving.

[the almighty moo]

how about a twist?

Harbinger, millions of years ago created the Crucible plans in order to control the other reapers. Just because he's an ass like that. And is immune to it's effects?

But for it to work, it needed someone who wasn't indoctrinated to operate it, otherwise the other reapers would catch wind of his plan.

And didn't take into account of synthesis or the fact that the races kept adding to it.

or not.

Modifié par the almighty moo, 09 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[macarius5]

work on the breathing sequence (shepard alive) - indoctrination theory.

[DeinonSlayer]

If Shepard lives in the best Destroy ending, I want to see Shepard participate in the rescue of the Normandy crew. Shepard/LI reunion, etc., but the trade-off for Shepard personally to get a "happy ending" is the destruction of all synthetic life. Joker doesn't make it past the first year of being marooned without EDI's support. See the blue link in my sig - that epilogue generator is my canon, and will remain so if extended cut isn't up-to-snuff.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 09 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[zambingo]

Reposted from a different, older thread:

zambingo wrote...

Firstly Mr. Shields should have under went ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. But because Shep is awesome he blasts a few shots into Mr. Shields before the full control sequence is completed. Shep then BEAM ME UP, Scotties! to the Crucible.

When you reach the end room with high enough REP/WA/EMS Starchild should have been able to be identified as another Harbinger emodiment. At that point you could choose to acquiesce to Saren/Synthesis, take TIM/Control or Anderson/Destroy.

Choosing destroy at this point shows Paragons walking away from Harbychild as he pleads for Synthesis and Renegades walking away giving Harbychlid the finger as he pleads for Synthesis. Without high REP/WA/EMS(3400+) you would only get Saren/Synthesis and TIM/Control and never know Starchild was Harby.

Endings happens as they do, except for:

All ending SR-2 crash landings only show Joker, Traynor and Adams... no squadmates!

High REP/WA/EMS Destroy endings get Shepard breathing and being tended to by EDI and their LI (and or most used squadmate). Having EDI there cements that what was said about DESTROY by Harbychild was BULL.

People still get to argue about whether or not FTL engines can be tweaked to get people home (WARP SPEED, Mr. SULU!) or if the Relays went FULL NOVA or just Firecracker BOOM. Or just what Synthesis means for the Universe. Or what happens after Control. ETC. Or if Shepard retires after surviving Destroy ETC! Or which ending is better! Yay! Speculation for the future, but these MINOR adjustments create total closure on Shepard vs Harby/Reapers and remove the "WTF? [Fill in squadmate here] is on the Normandy?!" moments. All of that also KEEPS Bioware's endings. Yay! ARTIST STUFF!

[kalle90]

I went mad and typed furiously for an hour what is my current ending.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS BEWARE

Mass Effect 3 ending:

1. Light elevator
2. Catalyst:
*Starts out as usual with "wake up" blaablaa*
Child: Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We created the cycle so that would never happen.

Dialogue wheel
Investigate: "Why would you create machines that kill people so other machines won't?"
Child: "You do not understand, Reapers are different. This way we atleast preserve your very existence for reasons you can't possibly comprehend. Also, if we allow rampant synthetics to gain enough power they will proceed to kill all advanced and primitive life eventually wiping out all life in the galaxy"

Investigate: "We have proven organics and synthetics can live at peace"
Child: "Peace never lasts. Would you be willing to bet everyone's lives on it?"

On the left side we have the current "You'll never understand" and "We don't want to be preserved" comments.


*Continues as usual*
Child: The paths are open, but you must choose.

Dialogue Wheel:
Investigate: "I want to learn more, who built the Crucible? Why these choices?
Child: "When the Crucible merged with me I learned that dozens of civilizations participated in creating it. Some believed destruction of Reapers is the only answer while others believed Reapers could be controlled, some even thought that the best solution is to unite organics and synthetics, with technology you can't comprehend, you are not the most advanced civilization. You simply were the ones who finished and brought it here."

Investigate: "Who are you exactly? Why does this place look so unfamiliar?"
Child: "Citadel has many mysteries that are beyond your comprehension. People are wondering and studying Keepers, but very few have actually tried to find out if there is something more. Keepers alone can't keep the Citadel, galaxy and cycle running. I am as old as the Citadel, assigned to ensure the cycle goes on. However I can only survey actions on Citadel and signal Reapers it's time, I'm unable to control Citadel itself"

Investigate: "How could I decide for everyone? Many wouldn't want to become part-machine."
Child: "You have already made many choices for everyone, choices that you thought were for the best, choices that many have opposed. Once people see the benefits of synthesis they might prefer it"

Investigate: "How exactly am I supposed to control Reapers?"
Child: "You become their overlord able to survey the galaxy through them and control them, essentially replacing me. How you use them is up to you however. You can decide to retire them from galaxy or you can try to complete the cycle when you realize you've been wrong and synthetics are rebelling."

Investigate: "Is there no way to destroy only Reapers? What else is destroyed?"
Child: "No. The Crucible is finished and there is no time for modifications. All sentient AI is destroyed"

Investigate: "Last time I saw a relay destroyed it annihilated an entire cluster"
Child: "There's a difference between a sophisticated beam and an asteroid crash. Crucible is the result of tens of thousands of years of work, from various civilizations with different types of technology. It is able to convert the energies of mass relays for various purposes, none of which causes a supernova. We underestimated organics, we had no idea that cycle after cycle they were working on something so impressive"

After using all the investigation options Child promts "As you are talking the war is raging on and Crucible is taking damage. Do you want to keep talking and doom everyone or make a choice?"

Renegade: "Screw this. This isn't what we wanted. We're going to take our chances without Crucible"
Child: "You are shortsighted/Face your annihiliation/Your death is assured/Embrace perfection/I will show you true power/You are no longer relevant/And now you stand alone, Shepard/You are arrogant, Shepard/Other Harbinger quote"
= Shepard looks out and sees Reapers inevitably winning the battle until Crucible is taken out killing Shepard.

Paragon: "We knew Crucible was our best and only chance, everything else was just delay tactics for this moment"
=  Proceed to make a choice.



3. Crucible fires:
The beam goes from relay to relay and shockwaves go through the galaxy

High EMS (4000+):
- The troops are fighting on Earth as the Reapers are suddenly defeated
- Scene zooms to Jack who is providing barriers in the battle and Grunt is further away fighting husks as suddenly Reapers stop. Jack and Grunt are looking around in awe and they look at each other nodding. Kasumi is elsewhere repairing a Mako as she notices the battle has seized and gets up looking at the sky. Samara is with asari commandos blasting away husks as Reapers stop their attack. Jacob is in trenches with other soldiers and he is aalso surprised to see Reapers stopping. (No Miranda or Zaeed because they were dead for my canon Shep)
- Next the scene moves to space. Admiral Hackett is aboard one of the cruisers. He realizes what has happened and briefly congratulates everyone asking about the situation. Scene moves from human ships to turian, asari, krogan, geth, quarian, elcor, volus and other ships. Casaulties are notable, yet the situation is way better than expected.

Medium EMS (2000-4000):
- Same
- Scene zooms to Earth showing Jack exhausted but alive on the support position. Further away Grunt is injured and down, but breathing. Kasumi manages to repair the Mako but is killed right after by approaching husks. Samara sees her squad being in danger and decides to rush at the enemy forces signaling her squadmates to fire, Samara buys her squad time and space but she is wounded lethally and dies at the hands of one of the commandoes. Jacob rushes from cover to help one of the fallen soldiers but he is shot to the chest, he is laying down and looking at the sky.
- In the space scene there are a lot less ships, most of which are badly damage, but still a notable amount.

Low EMS (0-2000):
- Same
- Scene zooms to Earth showing how Grunt is getting killed by overwhelming forces. Jack leaves the support formation to protect her students, taking down lots of enemies but eventually sacrificing herself. Kasumi is dead by a burning Mako. Samara is alone with her squadmates decimated, she takes out some enemies until she is taken down. Jacob is in the trenches with more soldiers when a Reaper fires at them killing everyone, right afterwards the Reaper leaves/dies.
- In the space scene there are only a few ships, with multiple ships sacrifing themselves to save Hackett's ship. Hackett looks devastated, but still contacts everyone that this looks like a victory against all odds.

In every ending Hackett also states "Has anyone heard anything from the Normandy? I can't believe Joker decided to attract the attention of so many Reapers and lure them away through a relay. He saved a lot of lives with that move" to which an assistant replies "No sir. Their comm link went down. We can't pick up anything"

Next the Normandy scene is shown with Harbinger and a couple of other Reapers chasing Normandy "These are mine", says Harbinger. The shockwave quickly catches up to them overshadowing first Harbinger, and then eventually Normandy being caught in the shockwave and crashing. Joker walks out of the ship with Garrus walking next to him.
Joker: "What just happened? Where did the Reapers chasing us go?"
Garrus: "Lucky guess - it has something to do with that shockwave"
Joker: "You mean... That Shepard succeeded? Aww man I shouldn't have picked you up from the base after major Coats's sitrep of the strike force being dead. Shepard could have needed your help."
Garrus: "Obviously he didn't"

Vega, EDI and Tali walk out as well.
Vega: "I know you're probably all happy about the apparent victory and all, but we just crashed who knows where"
Tali: "Well it could be worse. Atleast this planet looks ok"
EDI: "I suggest we set up a distress beacon"
Garrus: "Yeah, you do that"

Garrus walks inside Normandy seeing a couple of crew members having minor injuries Chakwas is treating and Traynor trying to set up comms, but speaks out loud that nothing is working. Garrus walks into Liara's room, where Liara is trying to use her computers:
Garrus: "Lia..."
Liara: "Not now! We need to find out what happened. Isn't there a single computer online?!" Then she goes quiet staring blankly.
Garrus: "You alright? I know you didn't want to leave Shepard, neither did I, but there was no other choice with the Reapers crowding the conduit beam. We needed to get them away for the next strike team to have any chance" (Liara was my LI BTW)
Liara: "I know, it's just that... I was already devastated by the thought he was gone, but now we don't know anymore. Did he succeed? Will we ever see him again?"
Garrus: "I don't know Liara, I just don't know. But right now we need to look after ourselves. We won't see Shepard if we're dead that's for certain. EDI sets up a distress beacon, but it might be a while until someone finds us, if someone finds us"

4. New Epilogue
Back on the ruins of Earth Hackett is at a ceremony to unveil a monument for Shepard and the Normandy. There are lots of people from all races on Earth on the audience and others have vidcoms on their ships around the orbit.
Hackett: "You all know why we are here. Just a few days ago everyone in the galaxy were living their ordinary lives. No one believed in a threat called the Reapers. Except for one man. That man is why any of you are still standing here today."
Hackett: "From the very beginning Commander Shepard was a man who knew life isn't easy. From the day his family was killed on Mindoir by slavers to the day his entire squad was killed on Akuze his life had been a challenge of survival."
Hackett: "But he didn't just survive. He became stronger and was ready to face anything, anyone, against all odds."
Hackett: "Shepard was also a selfless man. Most of us were looking for ways to make our own species superior, many have issues working with aliens. But Shepard didn't care about anyone's origins, his Normandy crew has the most diversity of any ship. When someone needed or offered help, he didn't categorize them by looks or origins. On his quest to unity he stood up for Rachni, up for Krogan, up for Geth. There is no one else who would have done that."
Hackett: "Alas, he couldn't have done it alone. He needed a team. Unfortunately not many of them are here with us today. We can only assume they followed Shepard right to the end, including my dear friend admiral Anderson."
Hackett: "Moreover this war took billions of lives, the homes of most of ours as well as the mass relays. We can rebuild, maybe even the relays one day, but for now I assume our chances of galaxywide travel are more restricted. I just hope that time of disconnection doesn't take away our new found unity."
Hackett: "Shepard was the vanguard of our salvation. Let us never forget that. Hackett out"

Wrex walks up to Hackett.
Wrex: "Hey, I need to say something too. Shepard, wherever you are, thank you for our future"
Victus follows up:
Victus: "If everyone gets to say something, I need to say I didn't know Shepard for long, but I'm sure every turian will remember him as an exemplary human. He has more honor than any of us"
Rachni Queen: "Shepard gave us a chance to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the galaxy"
Balak: "I doubted it to the last minute, but now what's left of us batarians promise to forget all bad blood between us and humans"
Dalatrass: "I need to respect Shepard's resolve and skill, although I don't agree with everything he's done"
Admiral Koris: "Shepard gave us our home back, and his influence made Tali the pinnacle of quarians. Unfortunately neither of them is here today. Keelah se'lai"
Asari councilor: "On behalf of the Council, I need to thank Shepard and all the rest of you for your achievements."

During the speeches the scene cuts to the audience where you can find a couple of familiar faces including Bailey, Aethyta and Burns. Major Kirrahe is amongst others quietly whispering "You held the line". Shai'ra continues "That was your fate, Shepard."

Last view shows a memorial placate like on Normandy, with every KIA and MIA member including Shepard, Garrus, Liara, Joker and everyone else.

5. Credits

6. Post-Credits
- Krogans are shown living in a high-class society, with notes of Shepard, Wrex and Normandy (alternatively nearly dead Wrex is watching as his species is dying out on the wastelands fighting each other. Third option is that Wreav is building up an army and showing a plan to conquer the entire galaxy)
- Quarians are shown living on Rannoch with some of geth who decided to stay behind helping with rebuilding, other geth moved on to find their own home. (alternatively geth have deduced every organic is a threat to their existence and needs to be wiped out. Thirdly with Quarians gone Geth have taken over Rannoch and are living in peace there)
- Rachni has become a common and welcome sight all around the galaxy, with their children singing songs about Shepard (alternatively they die out)
- Jacob with a kid, Jack teaching biotics, Grunt becoming a Spectre... Shiala helping to rebuild Zhu's Hope and other colonies, Bailey setting up a new C-sec... Or not depending on EMS.

- With 4000+ EMS and Destruction ending Shepard was found alive, as was the Normandy distress beacon with most of the crew alive.
- With 4000+ EMS and Control/Synthesis the Normandy distress beacon was found with most of the crew alive, but Shepard was nowhere to be found.

- With 2000-4000 EMS and Destruction ending Shepard's dead body was found, and it took longer to find Normandy, which resulted in Tali, Edi, Kenneth and Joker as well as some other crew members dying.
- With 2000-4000 EMS and Control it would have taken longer to find Normandy, but a group of Reapers led a nearby ship to Normandy's crash site and saved them with only a couple of casaulties including Adams and Gabriella.
- With 2000-4000 EMS and Synthesis Normandy was found quite fast with all the technical advantages and the modified crew survived except for Traynor and Garrus.

- With 0-2000 EMS and Destruction ending Shepard's body wasn't found from all the destruction, and there were no resources to search for Normandy so it was lost forever.
- With 0-2000 EMS and Control ending it took long to find Normandy, but Reapers eventually guided a few ships to the Normandy, but only Vega, Ashley, Liara, Kenneth and a couple of crew members were alive.
- With 0-2000 EMS and Synthesis ending it took long to find the Normandy, but it was found with only Adams, Chakwas, Joker and a few crew members alive.

POTENTIAL SPOILERS END

Modifié par kalle90, 09 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

kalle90 wrote...

I went mad and typed furiously for an hour what is my current ending.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS BEWARE

Mass Effect 3 ending:

1. Light elevator
2. Catalyst:
*Starts out as usual with "wake up" blaablaa*
Child: Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We created the cycle so that would never happen.

Dialogue wheel
Investigate: "Why would you create machines that kill people so other machines won't?"
Child: "You do not understand, Reapers are different. This way we atleast preserve your very existence for reasons you can't possibly comprehend. Also, if we allow rampant synthetics to gain enough power they will proceed to kill all advanced and primitive life eventually wiping out all life in the galaxy"

Investigate: "We have proven organics and synthetics can live at peace"
Child: "Peace never lasts. Would you be willing to bet everyone's lives on it?"

On the left side we have the current "You'll never understand" and "We don't want to be preserved" comments.


*Continues as usual*
Child: The paths are open, but you must choose.

Dialogue Wheel:
Investigate: "I want to learn more, who built the Crucible? Why these choices?
Child: "When the Crucible merged with me I learned that dozens of civilizations participated in creating it. Some believed destruction of Reapers is the only answer while others believed Reapers could be controlled, some even thought that the best solution is to unite organics and synthetics, with technology you can't comprehend, you are not the most advanced civilization. You simply were the ones who finished and brought it here."

Investigate: "Who are you exactly? Why does this place look so unfamiliar?"
Child: "Citadel has many mysteries that are beyond your comprehension. People are wondering and studying Keepers, but very few have actually tried to find out if there is something more. Keepers alone can't keep the Citadel, galaxy and cycle running. I am as old as the Citadel, assigned to ensure the cycle goes on. However I can only survey actions on Citadel and signal Reapers it's time, I'm unable to control Citadel itself"

Investigate: "How could I decide for everyone? Many wouldn't want to become part-machine."
Child: "You have already made many choices for everyone, choices that you thought were for the best, choices that many have opposed. Once people see the benefits of synthesis they might prefer it"

Investigate: "How exactly am I supposed to control Reapers?"
Child: "You become their overlord able to survey the galaxy through them and control them, essentially replacing me. How you use them is up to you however. You can decide to retire them from galaxy or you can try to complete the cycle when you realize you've been wrong and synthetics are rebelling."

Investigate: "Is there no way to destroy only Reapers? What else is destroyed?"
Child: "No. The Crucible is finished and there is no time for modifications. All sentient AI is destroyed"

Investigate: "Last time I saw a relay destroyed it annihilated an entire cluster"
Child: "There's a difference between a sophisticated beam and an asteroid crash. Crucible is the result of tens of thousands of years of work, from various civilizations with different types of technology. It is able to convert the energies of mass relays for various purposes, none of which causes a supernova. We underestimated organics, we had no idea that cycle after cycle they were working on something so impressive"

After using all the investigation options Child promts "As you are talking the war is raging on and Crucible is taking damage. Do you want to keep talking and doom everyone or make a choice?"

Renegade: "Screw this. This isn't what we wanted. We're going to take our chances without Crucible"
Child: "You are shortsighted/Face your annihiliation/Your death is assured/Embrace perfection/I will show you true power/You are no longer relevant/And now you stand alone, Shepard/You are arrogant, Shepard/Other Harbinger quote"
= Shepard looks out and sees Reapers inevitably winning the battle until Crucible is taken out killing Shepard.

Paragon: "We knew Crucible was our best and only chance, everything else was just delay tactics for this moment"
= Proceed to make a choice.



3. Crucible fires:
The beam goes from relay to relay and shockwaves go through the galaxy

High EMS (4000+):
- The troops are fighting on Earth as the Reapers are suddenly defeated
- Scene zooms to Jack who is providing barriers in the battle and Grunt is further away fighting husks as suddenly Reapers stop. Jack and Grunt are looking around in awe and they look at each other nodding. Kasumi is elsewhere repairing a Mako as she notices the battle has seized and gets up looking at the sky. Samara is with asari commandos blasting away husks as Reapers stop their attack. Jacob is in trenches with other soldiers and he is aalso surprised to see Reapers stopping. (No Miranda or Zaeed because they were dead for my canon Shep)
- Next the scene moves to space. Admiral Hackett is aboard one of the cruisers. He realizes what has happened and briefly congratulates everyone asking about the situation. Scene moves from human ships to turian, asari, krogan, geth, quarian, elcor, volus and other ships. Casaulties are notable, yet the situation is way better than expected.

Medium EMS (2000-4000):
- Same
- Scene zooms to Earth showing Jack exhausted but alive on the support position. Further away Grunt is injured and down, but breathing. Kasumi manages to repair the Mako but is killed right after by approaching husks. Samara sees her squad being in danger and decides to rush at the enemy forces signaling her squadmates to fire, Samara buys her squad time and space but she is wounded lethally and dies at the hands of one of the commandoes. Jacob rushes from cover to help one of the fallen soldiers but he is shot to the chest, he is laying down and looking at the sky.
- In the space scene there are a lot less ships, most of which are badly damage, but still a notable amount.

Low EMS (0-2000):
- Same
- Scene zooms to Earth showing how Grunt is getting killed by overwhelming forces. Jack leaves the support formation to protect her students, taking down lots of enemies but eventually sacrificing herself. Kasumi is dead by a burning Mako. Samara is alone with her squadmates decimated, she takes out some enemies until she is taken down. Jacob is in the trenches with more soldiers when a Reaper fires at them killing everyone, right afterwards the Reaper leaves/dies.
- In the space scene there are only a few ships, with multiple ships sacrifing themselves to save Hackett's ship. Hackett looks devastated, but still contacts everyone that this looks like a victory against all odds.

In every ending Hackett also states "Has anyone heard anything from the Normandy? I can't believe Joker decided to attract the attention of so many Reapers and lure them away through a relay. He saved a lot of lives with that move" to which an assistant replies "No sir. Their comm link went down. We can't pick up anything"

Next the Normandy scene is shown with Harbinger and a couple of other Reapers chasing Normandy "These are mine", says Harbinger. The shockwave quickly catches up to them overshadowing first Harbinger, and then eventually Normandy being caught in the shockwave and crashing. Joker walks out of the ship with Garrus walking next to him.
Joker: "What just happened? Where did the Reapers chasing us go?"
Garrus: "Lucky guess - it has something to do with that shockwave"
Joker: "You mean... That Shepard succeeded? Aww man I shouldn't have picked you up from the base after major Coats's sitrep of the strike force being dead. Shepard could have needed your help."
Garrus: "Obviously he didn't"

Vega, EDI and Tali walk out as well.
Vega: "I know you're probably all happy about the apparent victory and all, but we just crashed who knows where"
Tali: "Well it could be worse. Atleast this planet looks ok"
EDI: "I suggest we set up a distress beacon"
Garrus: "Yeah, you do that"

Garrus walks inside Normandy seeing a couple of crew members having minor injuries Chakwas is treating and Traynor trying to set up comms, but speaks out loud that nothing is working. Garrus walks into Liara's room, where Liara is trying to use her computers:
Garrus: "Lia..."
Liara: "Not now! We need to find out what happened. Isn't there a single computer online?!" Then she goes quiet staring blankly.
Garrus: "You alright? I know you didn't want to leave Shepard, neither did I, but there was no other choice with the Reapers crowding the conduit beam. We needed to get them away for the next strike team to have any chance" (Liara was my LI BTW)
Liara: "I know, it's just that... I was already devastated by the thought he was gone, but now we don't know anymore. Did he succeed? Will we ever see him again?"
Garrus: "I don't know Liara, I just don't know. But right now we need to look after ourselves. We won't see Shepard if we're dead that's for certain. EDI sets up a distress beacon, but it might be a while until someone finds us, if someone finds us"

4. New Epilogue
Back on the ruins of Earth Hackett is at a ceremony to unveil a monument for Shepard and the Normandy. There are lots of people from all races on Earth on the audience and others have vidcoms on their ships around the orbit.
Hackett: "You all know why we are here. Just a few days ago everyone in the galaxy were living their ordinary lives. No one believed in a threat called the Reapers. Except for one man. That man is why any of you are still standing here today."
Hackett: "From the very beginning Commander Shepard was a man who knew life isn't easy. From the day his family was killed on Mindoir by slavers to the day his entire squad was killed on Akuze his life had been a challenge of survival."
Hackett: "But he didn't just survive. He became stronger and was ready to face anything, anyone, against all odds."
Hackett: "Shepard was also a selfless man. Most of us were looking for ways to make our own species superior, many have issues working with aliens. But Shepard didn't care about anyone's origins, his Normandy crew has the most diversity of any ship. When someone needed or offered help, he didn't categorize them by looks or origins. On his quest to unity he stood up for Rachni, up for Krogan, up for Geth. There is no one else who would have done that."
Hackett: "Alas, he couldn't have done it alone. He needed a team. Unfortunately not many of them are here with us today. We can only assume they followed Shepard right to the end, including my dear friend admiral Anderson."
Hackett: "Moreover this war took billions of lives, the homes of most of ours as well as the mass relays. We can rebuild, maybe even the relays one day, but for now I assume our chances of galaxywide travel are more restricted. I just hope that time of disconnection doesn't take away our new found unity."
Hackett: "Shepard was the vanguard of our salvation. Let us never forget that. Hackett out"

Wrex walks up to Hackett.
Wrex: "Hey, I need to say something too. Shepard, wherever you are, thank you for our future"
Victus follows up:
Victus: "If everyone gets to say something, I need to say I didn't know Shepard for long, but I'm sure every turian will remember him as an exemplary human. He has more honor than any of us"
Rachni Queen: "Shepard gave us a chance to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the galaxy"
Balak: "I doubted it to the last minute, but now what's left of us batarians promise to forget all bad blood between us and humans"
Dalatrass: "I need to respect Shepard's resolve and skill, although I don't agree with everything he's done"
Admiral Koris: "Shepard gave us our home back, and his influence made Tali the pinnacle of quarians. Unfortunately neither of them is here today. Keelah se'lai"
Asari councilor: "On behalf of the Council, I need to thank Shepard and all the rest of you for your achievements."

During the speeches the scene cuts to the audience where you can find a couple of familiar faces including Bailey, Aethyta and Burns. Major Kirrahe is amongst others quietly whispering "You held the line". Shai'ra continues "That was your fate, Shepard."

Last view shows a memorial placate like on Normandy, with every KIA and MIA member including Shepard, Garrus, Liara, Joker and everyone else.

5. Credits

6. Post-Credits
- Krogans are shown living in a high-class society, with notes of Shepard, Wrex and Normandy (alternatively nearly dead Wrex is watching as his species is dying out on the wastelands fighting each other. Third option is that Wreav is building up an army and showing a plan to conquer the entire galaxy)
- Quarians are shown living on Rannoch with some of geth who decided to stay behind helping with rebuilding, other geth moved on to find their own home. (alternatively geth have deduced every organic is a threat to their existence and needs to be wiped out. Thirdly with Quarians gone Geth have taken over Rannoch and are living in peace there)
- Rachni has become a common and welcome sight all around the galaxy, with their children singing songs about Shepard (alternatively they die out)
- Jacob with a kid, Jack teaching biotics, Grunt becoming a Spectre... Shiala helping to rebuild Zhu's Hope and other colonies, Bailey setting up a new C-sec... Or not depending on EMS.

- With 4000+ EMS and Destruction ending Shepard was found alive, as was the Normandy distress beacon with most of the crew alive.
- With 4000+ EMS and Control/Synthesis the Normandy distress beacon was found with most of the crew alive, but Shepard was nowhere to be found.

- With 2000-4000 EMS and Destruction ending Shepard's dead body was found, and it took longer to find Normandy, which resulted in Tali, Edi, Kenneth and Joker as well as some other crew members dying.
- With 2000-4000 EMS and Control it would have taken longer to find Normandy, but a group of Reapers led a nearby ship to Normandy's crash site and saved them with only a couple of casaulties including Adams and Gabriella.
- With 2000-4000 EMS and Synthesis Normandy was found quite fast with all the technical advantages and the modified crew survived except for Traynor and Garrus.

- With 0-2000 EMS and Destruction ending Shepard's body wasn't found from all the destruction, and there were no resources to search for Normandy so it was lost forever.
- With 0-2000 EMS and Control ending it took long to find Normandy, but Reapers eventually guided a few ships to the Normandy, but only Vega, Ashley, Liara, Kenneth and a couple of crew members were alive.
- With 0-2000 EMS and Synthesis ending it took long to find the Normandy, but it was found with only Adams, Chakwas, Joker and a few crew members alive.

POTENTIAL SPOILERS END

Lacks a logical question:"Why don't you just protect organics from synthetics when they are threatened by extinction if you are strong enough to fights them both at the same time?" (wouldn't work for the original dark energy ending, but hey, they didn't followed it anyway...)

And different ending for different EMS rating for the Renegade choice (like being able to flee with Joker with an high enough EMS rating, or being able to join the fight, and even perhaps a phyrric victory against Harbinger at least, or destroying the crucible destroying both the earth and the reapers and galaxy fleet around it).

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 09 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Different states of the galaxy for different war assets and choices, which includes the final 3 colors. Multiple different endings. For real this time.

It would still be out of expectations for the deus-ex machina, but it would lessen the pain. Like, a lot.

[kalle90]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
Lacks a logical question:"Why don't you just protect organics from synthetics when they are threatened by extinction if you are strong enough to fights them both at the same time?" (wouldn't work for the original dark energy ending, but hey, they didn't followed it anyway...)

And different ending for different EMS rating for the Renegade choice (like being able to flee with Joker with an high enough EMS rating, or being able to join the fight, and even perhaps a phyrric victory against Harbinger at least, or destroying the crucible destroying both the earth and the reapers and galaxy fleet around it).

A good question. I ran out of dialogue wheel room (which shows how impossible the current ending is). But I guess the answer could be that at the point when synthetics start to rebel there is no turning back. Even if the organics win they end up making more and more advanced robots which could in the end be too much even for Reapers (who need millions of organics to reproduce). On top of that people seeing the Reapers could cause fear, provoke unwanted curiosity and aggression etc.

Alternatively I would hint that Catalyst isn't the god of everything but more of an AI, which could mean he just states it's not possible. Afterall the child does say that "Crucible created new possibilities" as if he never before had any more than 1 choice of solution.

As for the renegade thing: Good ideas, but I simply tried to make an ending that suits my main paragon with some possible alternatives trying to change the current ending as little as possible. It would be pretty interesting if the absolutely worst ending was everyone, including Reapers dying, the entire galaxy stripped from life. Deciding to flee with Joker because the war seems hopeless would also be cool.

[reeot]

1. I always had expected at least 3 different ending: A bad, a neutral and a good.
I hope they are able to add them even if they don't want to change the ending.
Take 2 minutes and listen to Korena D.. Like she said, at least it should be an option for the people who put the effort into it.

Sugesstion: Use the current ending as neutral. Add a good and a bad one.

2. Currently there are just 3 flashbacks for the LIs: Kaidan, Ashley and Liara. Where are the others?

Suggestion: Add a Flashback of ALL LIs.

3. Patch Talis picture out of the game. Do it right or don't do it at all...

Suggestion: Remove it.

4. Explain the plotholes logical and with scientific background, like it's the case since ME1.
- You can't simply say: "This Mass Relay explosion is different than that one in "Arrival"... bla bla bla"
Energy don't vanish like that. If the relay explodes, everything in range will be annihilated.
- Travel without Mass Relays: Even if FTL i capable there are limitations. Fuel and Heat for example.
- Mass Relay rebuilt: I wonder where they take the resources of building one. Even the protheans where just able to build a mini version of one.
- How did shepard survived the explosion of the Citadel in the red ending?
- No one will survive the explosion of the Citadel if the arms crash on Earth's surface. Kinetic barrier or not.
- BTW also explain how the entire fleet was able to get through the charon portal at once.

Suggestion: Phew... Good luck with a solution...

Modifié par reeot, 09 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[lawp79]

 http://shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

This, though I can't take credit for it, nor finding the link, it's genius.

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

You need to make it possible for Shepard to live with high EMS in more endings than just Destroy.

Seriously. Get on that. You will be righting a great injustice, and shall be blessed with a hundred years good juju.

In principle, I very much agree with this. The problem is I can't quite see how it can be done convincingly. You can posit that Shepard's mind can re-coalesce after the Synthesis, and I've done that for my headcanon, but I'm not sure that putting that possiblity in the game would be a good idea. Control is even worse - Shepard is ascended to some kind of techno-god. If it was possible to get the human form back that would make Control the best ending by a very big margin, because not only the galaxy would be better off, but Shepard would have the best of both worlds.

Personally, I don't see how Shepard surviving synthesis is anymore implausible than synthesis itself. Or EDI surviving Destroy. I'm also unclear on why Shepard has to dive into the beam and get completely disintegrated; perhaps that could be altered. Though I doubt it -- they're pretty big on this being "clarification," not a rewrite.

[The Milky Waver]

I just want some hope to be left for the indoctrination theory.

[dukiduki]

I still hate the Starchild and what it does to the series. I really don't know how you could shoe-horn it into canon and not ruin the continuity. If Bioware really doesn't want to scrap the think completely, IT would be the best cuase of action imo. The Starchild / Color Ending would still be there but wouldn't be the real end. After you have awoken from the Indoctrination (they probably should add some clue what the right ending is) Shep reaches the Citadel and activates the Crucible (and maybe faces the Illusive Man). The Crucible defeats the Reapers, ending the invasion. A Fallout / Dragon Age style epilogue follows, showing the consequences of our choices.

[Hepatitis P]

Blasto just Blasto

[Silasqtx]

http://social.biowar...217673#11217673

Alternative that doesn't clash with their artistic view of the endings. A compromise.

[Iakus]

Nightwriter wrote...
Personally, I don't see how Shepard surviving synthesis is anymore implausible than synthesis itself. Or EDI surviving Destroy. I'm also unclear on why Shepard has to dive into the beam and get completely disintegrated; perhaps that could be altered. Though I doubt it -- they're pretty big on this being "clarification," not a rewrite.

For Control, at least, I could see Shepard using the old body as a platform, much like EDI uses the old EVAbot.  Perhaps due to limited range, SHepard can't leave the CItadel again, or can only go a short distance from it.

Synthesis is so whacked I can't imagine what can be done with it