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[BanditGR]

There is going to be a sequel, I have zero doubts about that, only bad thing is, we'll have to wait at least 2 years for it.

As for a cannon ending, if Mass Effect 2 is any indication, major plot decisions will carry over, the real interesting question to answer here, is what happens with your "old" main character (since he can very much die in DAO...permanently). The only logical conclusion would be, that you start over with a new Grey Warden (or perhaps not even a Grey Warden at all) regardless, at which point whether the initial Warden liver or died becomes immaterial. Don't think sentimentally, think realistically. It's just far easier to design/program a game with one main character, than taking development time to calculate and react to all the possibilities, depending on the ending of the first game

As far as companions go and once again, using ME2 as a basis of comparison, I guess it's possible that a few of them may return, plus some of them making cameo appearances (for some quest(s)) or something along those lines.

Modifié par BanditGR, 04 décembre 2009 - 09:18 .

[Behindyounow]

I just hope they do the same thing as Mass Effect, and import your choices over. I refused Morrigan's offer because I dont want a stupid baby as the villain next time round.

[Fishy]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Even if women don't make up 50% of the gaming population, they are sizeable enough that to totally discount them in that way would be hugely insulting and jarring, especially with how huge the choices and impacts of your relationships can be in this game.

They will have to either do what everyone thinks they are doing with ME2, or what they did with Throne of Bhaal and let you load up old character or re-roll a new Grey Warden to continue on or set it far enough in the future that the particulars of what happened are fuzzy. I don't really see that happening, why waste the love the got going now by scrapping the characters and creating new ones? There are alot of complaints on these threads about many things, the lack of likeable/funny/endearing characters isn't one of them.

Just from a business point of view it would be stupid to totally throw away a decent fanbase who spends hours playing then hours TALKING about playing and wondering about the fate of the party members just like that.

As to what WILL happen, all I have to say is "Does it have gryphons in it?"

In horde of the underdark you continue the journey of the hero of Shadow of Untrentide.
Same with Neverwinter 2.

I hope they do the same.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

I reckon DA2 will have nothing to do with the 'hero' from DAO, with only a few people making cameos or actual appearances, they will probably go with the route they have with ME although I think might be a bit tougher for DA as there is more choices for people to make.

I agree with Magor that whilst Morrigan will no doubt be in it, Flemeth has just as much if in some regards more a chance of being in it because if what Morrigan said was true about her then it doesn't matter if you killed her or not.

The interesting thing about Morrigan is that if you went down one of the conversation lines during the ritual conversation she does state "if after you have defeated the darkspawn you come looking for me, do so at your own peril". I reckon THIS will be the closest we get to our current 'Hero' being in the story in that they will be dead by Morrigan's hands (akin to how the other origins tended to play out when you came across some of their story arcs).

With regards the 'Old gods' the one thing to remember is that there won't be another Blight for a good bunch of years, remember it was 400 years since the last one during this game and Riordan does state that it takes a while for them to grow and I really don't think they will do another 'Grey Wardens uniting the land versus a Blight' story again. That was done in Origins, Thedas is not just about the blights. There is plenty of other bad folk for people to be going up against.

I reckon Nevarra will be the next setting, as much as Orlais stands out, I also reckon it will be set at least 30 years in the future. In the two endings I've seen so far it has hinted at some of the stories it mentions as being quests for 'other' heros and that this heros story ended when the archdemon was dead. With regards the DLC for DAO, that is all set before the final battle, though the really odd thing is it must have all occurred in two or three days because if you say no to the ritual, Morrigan isn't in your camp in the post-epilogue save.

I reckon only a handful of the current NPCs will make either a big appearance (Morrigan and Flemeth) or a cameo/mention appearance (Alastair, Anora, Loghain).

I can't see Leliana or Wynne, I reckon their stories ended with DAO too, even if you did keep them alive. Whilst Wynne's epilogue did mention going off to explore the world, her time was coming to an end and the epilogue for Leliana even if you weren't in a romance with her indicates her connection to the hero.

I actually can't see how some of the other party members would get a mention or appearance other than maybe Shale... oh and maybe Sandal (because as him and Bohran are in the camp, I consider them party members of sorts)

Enchantment?

Think Nevarra will be the next location and the story will revolve around the Dragons coming back in full force and the it could possibly end on a cliffhanger with the hero managing to stop one bad person but a more dangerous threat to the world revealed.

[DarkSpiral]

While it would be nice if they take a similar method to develop a sequel for Dragon Age as they did for making Mass Effect 2, it does need to be pointed out that just because Bioware DID design ME2 that way, it in no way follows that they will definitely design DA2 in the same manner.

There is, as of yet, no information to suggest that the main character will be the same person you played in Origins.  There is no information that suggests that you'll even play another Grey Warden, or that you'll be facing another Blight (both of those things do seem pretty likely, but they aren't confirmed by any stretch, or even hinted at, really).  In fact, I personally find it likely that the "I-will-eat-the-world" bad guy won't be a Blight at all, because that would be predictable, and lack for much in the way of suspense.  Not saying the Blight won't be in it at all, mind you.  Just that it may not have the same presense as it does in Origins.

Now, none of this is stating a preference on my part.  I just feel that any statement at this point of what is surely going to happen in the sequel is silly.  The best we can do is speculate, and that definetly includse my opnions, as mentioned above.

Except for the existence of a sequel, of course.  Anyone that doubts that, for a game that was this well received, really is being silly.

[Malsumis]

fanman72 wrote...

I get the impression the following were meant to happen from Bioware:

-Your character (a male...sorry ladies!) reluctantly accepts that offer from Morrigan towards the end.
-Your character was meant to live

No, just no. Did you forget Alistair is there? If anything, Alistair completng the ritual is far more likely to be made canon, since he is there regardless of gender.

I do agree with the character is meant to live though. But I don't get why it would annoy people though, yes your character died, now go make a new character and choose differently this time. When I play KOTOR knowing that the PC goes lightside in canon, does not make a darkside playthrough any less enjoyable.  Then there is NWN2, where Obsidian decided to ignore the fact the PC could join the King of Shadows in order to make an expansion. This wouldn't be the first game where it's sequel chooses to ignore a potential ending, so they could continue the story. It wouldn't be the last either.

Modifié par Malsumis, 04 décembre 2009 - 09:51 .

[Orcastar]

No, no, no NO!



We're going to be playing as Morrigan's kid in the sequel. A mysterious godchild that could change the world forever? Bioware has experience with that sort of thing. All the characters from the first game will just be in cameo roles, a possible exception being your own character, who will be looking for you.



You know I'm right.

[Eclesis]

The easiest way to do the sequel would probably be to set it a sufficient length of time before or after this game so that you'd swap to an entirely new cast, thus avoiding the problems of both confusing new players and dealing directly with decisions made. As much as I'd like to see the story continued with the same characters, the number of variations on the ending seem overwhelming to implement in a direct continuation; even going on party members alone only... 1? of the companions cannot be killed off, and even the PC can die.



However, if they do manage a direct sequel I would be extremely impressed. It would be nice to have the same PC see the mystery through to the end instead of having to pass the torch, so to speak.



What I don't want to see, though, is "you get the same PC but your friends all got crushed by falling rocks, sorry"

[Maria Caliban]

ReggarBlane wrote...

I think the death of the Archdemon is canon. Schmooples will probably figure in greatly in canon.

DAII will be the adventures of Ser Schmooples and his dashing bard/squire, Leliana. He will ride about the countryside on his mabari warhound vanquishing evil and finding love.

[Saurel]

Orcastar wrote...


You know I'm right.

You better not be

[Ulicus]

If Orlais is the setting for DAII, I imagine they'll be dropping the French accents....

[BlastedLands]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

My PCs journeys with Sten/Zevran and Dog to search for/hunt down Morrigan (I cared for her, but she's dangerous...) sounds so appealing to me I honestly don't know if I could accept another canon.

 

well, that's what i'm thinking. could need me some time to have it another way:unsure:

[Majspuffen]

Orcastar wrote...

No, no, no NO!

We're going to be playing as Morrigan's kid in the sequel. A mysterious godchild that could change the world forever? Bioware has experience with that sort of thing. All the characters from the first game will just be in cameo roles, a possible exception being your own character, who will be looking for you.

You know I'm right.

This. If you have to play as Morrigans godly child, where are your choices? I loved the Origins in dragon age, and that you could play as something other than human. Nah, I hope we get to create a new character, a nobody who gets to join the grey wardens, just like the hero in the first game. Although, the choices from the first game should still affect the second game. Since your grey warden only has 30 years to live, they can't be saving the world multiple times. I'd hate to start the game as the "hero of Ferelden".

[Detrodam]

Ah man, going to Seheron with Zevran and Sten would be awesome, my two favorite characters in the game!



Would be great, but yea... the "Did you sacrifice yourself?", deal is a little bit of a problem for that stuff.



They could definitely make DLC like that or something... just that it would be akward if your character was supposed to have died or something. =P

[DarkCamel]

I think Morrigan ends up pregnant in any case.



I think Bioware will stick to its tried and true method of storytelling. Both Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect have the same rough plot (a heroes journey):

Part 1: Your hero stops an invasion from the big bad (a Bhaalspawn/Reapers/Archdemon).

Part 2: Your hero goes on a quest of self discovery somewhat related to part 1.

Part 3: Your hero puts a final end to the big bad (the rest of the Bhaalspawn/Reapers/Last Archdemon).



Thus I believe the 6th Blight will happen elsewhere. If your Grey Warden does not accept Morrigan's offer, a Grey Warden in the 6th Blight meets Morrigan and accepts the offer. Morrigan is pregnant with an old god in either scenario. Part 2 hovers around Morrigan/Flemeth and the child. And the hero can then put an end to the final blight in part III and set the world right.

[Ulicus]

BanditGR wrote...

As for a cannon ending, if Mass Effect 2 is any indication, major plot decisions will carry over, the real interesting question to answer here, is what happens with your "old" main character (since he can very much die in DAO...permanently). The only logical conclusion would be, that you start over with a new Grey Warden (or perhaps not even a Grey Warden at all) regardless, at which point whether the initial Warden liver or died becomes immaterial. Don't think sentimentally, think realistically. It's just far easier to design/program a game with one main character, than taking development time to calculate and react to all the possibilities, depending on the ending of the first game

As far as companions go and once again, using ME2 as a basis of comparison, I guess it's possible that a few of them may return, plus some of them making cameo appearances (for some quest(s)) or something along those lines.

First: Cannon go Boom.

Second: I think it really depends on whether they go down the BG2 route or the ME2 route.

If they decide to go down the ME2 route, it's not inconceivable that it'll simply be the case that you'll have a selection of Origins, some that allow for you to continue with your original character.

- The Warden Who Lived (Assumes you slew the archdemon and undertook the dark ritual)
- Hero of Ferelden (assumes Alistair or Loghain took the final blow)
- New PC origin 1 (assumes the Old PC slew the archdemon and died)
- New PC Origin 2 (Same as above)
- Etc

If the sequel takes place in an entirely different country, beyond a few references here and there, the origins don't have to have *that* huge an impact on the main story.

I'd like to think that each one gets a pretty hefty subplot, though, with "The Warden Who Lived" (yeah, silly title I know) involving the Oldgod child.

If they go down the BG2 route, however, I think it's almost guaranteed that the dark ritual will have occured, the Oldgod Child will be central to the main plot and you'll be playing as a previous character.

DarkCamel wrote...



I think Morrigan ends up pregnant in any case.



I
think Bioware will stick to its tried and true method of storytelling.
Both Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect have the same rough plot (a heroes
journey):

Part 1: Your hero stops an invasion from the big bad (a Bhaalspawn/Reapers/Archdemon).

Part 2: Your hero goes on a quest of self discovery somewhat related to part 1.

Part 3: Your hero puts a final end to the big bad (the rest of the Bhaalspawn/Reapers/Last Archdemon).



Thus
I believe the 6th Blight will happen elsewhere. If your Grey Warden
does not accept Morrigan's offer, a Grey Warden in the 6th Blight meets
Morrigan and accepts the offer. Morrigan is pregnant with an old god in
either scenario. Part 2 hovers around Morrigan/Flemeth and the child.
And the hero can then put an end to the final blight in part III and
set the world right.

Hmm. You know, I think you may be on to something.

Modifié par Ulicus, 04 décembre 2009 - 01:15 .

[hurricaneez1]

I think we will be able to go out and "find" Morrigan but it wont be in a full blown sequel. It will either be a DLC or add on. There really isnt any point ofgiving the charater the option, at the end of the game, of going to look for Morrigan unless they are planning on doing something with it.

[Herr Uhl]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I think we will be able to go out and "find" Morrigan but it wont be in a full blown sequel. It will either be a DLC or add on. There really isnt any point ofgiving the charater the option, at the end of the game, of going to look for Morrigan unless they are planning on doing something with it.

Well, then there was no point in letting them become king if you can't rule or die if you can't get infested with maggots.

A weak argument. But there seems to be a lot of people with separation issues, my first went after her but the epilogue was enough to sate my curiosity. I have a hard time seeing how that DLC/expansion would have any real worth in playing. What are you gonna do? Walk, find her in a swamp, say 'sup and live happily ever after?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Canon: King and Grey Wardens of Ferelden gets killed at Ostagar. Loghain starts civil war. Lone Grey Wardens unite land against Loghain either by force or diplomacy. The blight in Ferelden is quelled.



Not to be sarcastic, but that still is alot of stuff to consider.

[Valmy]

Kolaris8472 wrote...
Its sort of how in KotOR II, Revan was ALWAYS Dark Side and male. I just couldn't stomach it any other way.

What?  Maybe I played a different KOTOR II than you but in my version you told Atton in dialog whether Revan was male/female dark side/light side and the game reacted accordingly.

[Valmy]

Ulicus wrote...

If Orlais is the setting for DAII, I imagine they'll be dropping the French accents....

Well they kept British accents for DA why would they not keep the French ones?  It doesn't bother me what accent people speak with as I slaughter them.

[RVallant]

I'd hope the sequel if there is one is for the next blight. The problem is, the sequel is doomed to be slaughtered by the fans regardless because of the way they've written the endings for DA:O.



By this, I mean, Bioware's writers will be restricted in terms of what they can put in. Sure they can advance four hundred odd years and therefore write all the mortal characters out, however they they'll be restricted if they try and follow on from DA:O. If they take the Dark Ritual as canon, they'll ****** off everyone whom preferred their character to err on the side of caution and die and vice versa.



For example, I'd love to go to the Warden Fortress and see the statue of my warrior, to hear the consequences of every action he commited, for example did Anora and Alistair finally quit arguing and got together with little kids and ruled fairly? Did the elves gain their independence? If I went back to Highever and the new Warden lands would I see those giant statues of me as well? Am I revered as a hero? Tainted as a murderer for killing Loghain? Whatever the consequences I've no doubt Bioware can implement them.



However, like I said, the problem is the two endings. If Morrigan bears the god-child the differences would surely be so extreme as to require two games worth of lore and scenarios. But since they've done so and since we're assuming they'll follow off the endings provided then what happens is the game will be most likely condensed only to follow situations that would be 'agreeable' or 'guarenteed' by both endings. That limits creativity (in my personal view) leaves room for errors and will tread on the toes of both camps.



Still I'd be pleasantly surprised if they pull it off.

[SarEnyaDor]

Yeah, I did Throne of Bhaal and NWN1 (my pc sucks too much to run my NWN2 at anything close to acceptable so I have DAO for Xbox) and I liked the way they imported you and your choices (even it was stupid Anomen) or had you re-roll.



I want this to be the case so bad I can taste it.

[telephasic]

I think they could fit most endings in as an "origin" story, provided the adventure took place far enough from Ferelden that you game choices there had minimal effect on the wider world.



For example:



Dead - Someone calls you back from the Fade, as your time on Thedas isn't done.



Monarch - Ferelden is invaded/your court is usurped, and you need to spend some time in exile.



Everyone else: a more boring origin, with Zevran or Liliana added in if they were your romance.



And then you end up in Orlais, or Tevinter, or somewhere where all the minor decisions you made in Ferelden haven't really affected anything of note. Maybe a few quests and some lore is different based upon the DA:O choices, but that's it.



As to Morrigan's god baby, it's entirely possible she hooked up with Alistair or Loghain without telling you, so they could make it canon. IMHO if it's a major plot point they'll basically be forced to make it canon, but if it's just a side quest, they could just make it an optional part of the story.

[Chragen]

Most likely it will be a sequel that it is in the same universe and world, but I doubt we will be able to play as our PC char.



There just seems to many options and loose ends depending on what choices you made to realistically to make a sequel that accommodates and it's still able to be a good game.



If I were to guess I'd say Alistair and Morrigan are either part of the story or at least mentioned. The rest of your companions and your own character will probably not be part of the game.