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[Jedifan421]

"Why did we choose to show Tali's face at all, and two, why was it the way it looked?"

1.) Because everyone wondered, "and we wanted to do it in a tasteful way that didn't throw it into the game engine." (Important because of what is said next).

2.) We often use source material, source art, for MANY things withing the game (Of course, reusing of other pieces of art, like concept art, makes sense.) -- wanted it to be photorealistic, high fidelity, correct color  (Okay sounds good.) -- as close to a picture as possible (Okay.) Pored through thousands of images to combine extisting image and artistic vision (We get it, you're artists. No true artist that isn't coming off as pretentious would keep throwing these terms around.) to create Tali's face.

Calling for Samara cosplayers in room to stand up -- the woman in the back is the actual Samara face model, here cosplaying. (Almost like it was planned.)

"great example of how a real face" can make a good image. Liara also face model, Shepard (dude), Miranda (This is where the contradiction and bull occur.)

"We really felt that Tali deserved that same treatment - we wanted her to be based on a real person, because that relationship is important to players" (Wow.)

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Well, I'm speechless.

Actually, not quite.

So basically what I'm getting at is that BioWare wanted Tali's face to "be photorealistic, high fidelity, correct color", ''in  a tasteful way that didn't throw it into the game engine" but then call for the Samara face model cosplaying as Samara to stand up and acknowledges a "great example of how a real face" can make a good image.

Then they acknowledge that "Liara is also a face model, Shepard (dude), Miranda", all clear examples of faces that were handled in the game engine.

So why didn't they just model someone for her face from BioWare such as, maybe, THE VOICE ACTRESS or A MODEL THEY CAN ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY TAKE A PICTURE OF IN REAL LIFE AND SCAN INTO THE GAME ENGINE INSTEAD OF USING A STOCK PHOTO FROM GETTY IMAGES?

The answer: EA forced them to cut corners. Saying you had thousands of images to pick from, source art including, but you went with a stock photo from Getty Images and then having the audacity to say "we really felt that Tali deserved that same treatment" as Shepard or Miranda or Liara or Samara, when she obivously didn't get that, takes guts, I'll give them that.

Were all the photos you used for modeling the faces in-game stock photos too? Nope.
All those faces were ones that, you know, GOT IMPLEMENTED INTO THE GAME ENGINE AND CODEX PICTURES TOO! So they were consistent and were full of detail and took time. Apparently though, for Tali, putting her face in the game engine is just stupid and would feel "thrown in." Oh the irony.

Also, lazy Photoshopping such as NOT EVEN GETTING HER FINGERS RIGHT and basically drawing lines and whiting the eyes just assuming "Herp, derp. Three fingers, three fingers, lines here, white eyes, that totally matches" is basically the same as the detail put into Liara, Shepard, Miranda and Samara is INSULTING.

Out of all the bull from BioWare at the panel, this was...just...too much. I feel sorry if you picked Tali as your love interest and got that photo for your reward. Just another reason why Mass Effect 3 felt rushed and unfinished.

[arthurhallam]

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.

[Crazyjeffy]

My reacion to the OP: Yes.
My reaction to the first comment:

[Hudathan]

Some people are fine with the picture they got.

And nowhere does it say that it's not artistic to use a stock photo of something in the game. What if they thought it was a really good photo that was better than what they came up with. Who cares how it was made as long as it gets the point across.

[Sohlito]

I agree with some points, like how it should have been rendered in-game, but the photoshop as a whole doesn't really bother me. Still pretty to look at. Hell even the chick in the stock is a ten.

[Nauks]

Bioware's logic for the terribad photoshop image of Tali, and the comparison.
At a loss for words...

[Nuchy]

Lol thats funny

[Jamboa42]

Jedifan421 wrote...
Calling for Samara cosplayers in room to stand up -- the woman in the back is the actual Samara face model, here cosplaying. (Almost like it was planned.)

Samara's model raised money through Kickstarter I believe to make that costume and travel to the conventions. There was an article on Kotaku a few weeks back.

[Ianamus]

I can understand basing Tali's face of a real photo, I just wish that Bioware had taken one themseleves (of the voice actress maybe) and photoshopped it well.

[Thornquist]

arthurhallam wrote...

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.

+1

[Asuka Bianchini]

I asked almost the same when I got to read that. They MODEL AFTER a RL face.
If they loved the stock photo that much, then AT LEAST MODEL TALI'S FACE AFTER IT, not just use the photo itself. Then it would be fine.

[GongStar]

Lol, I care, photo was dooky and didn't suit her. *high five*

[Diablos2525]

arthurhallam wrote...

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.

The photo was fine, but the problem is they didn't model it into the game. I'll tell you who they did model though, Jessica Chobot. Jessica Chobot(ign)> Tali(fans). That is how their thought process went.

[Jedifan421]

Jamboa42 wrote...

Jedifan421 wrote...
Calling for Samara cosplayers in room to stand up -- the woman in the back is the actual Samara face model, here cosplaying. (Almost like it was planned.)

Samara's model raised money through Kickstarter I believe to make that costume and travel to the conventions. There was an article on Kotaku a few weeks back.

Thank you for the explanation. I did not know that but what I meant was him gesturing her to stand up to illustrate his point, as if he had rehearsed it ahead of time. Which he probably did.

[kleindropper]

So they blew all their face modeling dough on Samara, Miranda and Diana Allers? That's a wonderful explanation for shortchanging the most anticipated face reveal in the game.

[Vespervin]

I liked the photo. They only need to fix the hand, clothing and background. That's it. Everything else is fine.

[Jedifan421]

Diablos2525 wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.

The photo was fine, but the problem is they didn't model it into the game. I'll tell you who they did model though, Jessica Chobot. Jessica Chobot(ign)> Tali(fans). That is how their thought process went.

And also her render is just...not that good either. More evidence of a rushed product.

[AxisEvolve]

arthurhallam wrote...

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.

How not to post:

1) Acting like you speak for everyone
2) Making a disrespectful and rude disagreement.


Adults that take place in an intelligent conversation don't need insults to make a point.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 06 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[Versus Omnibus]

For artists *chokes back a laugh*, Bioware seems to have no problem cutting corners instead of working out details.

[LadyWench]

To be honest, I thought the pic was a terrible photoshop chop job and no way Tali'd be half-nekkid outside to pose for a sexah picture (and, yeah, her fingers were just...no), but at least she's cute.

I'm not angry about it, it's too comical to even take them seriously anymore. Their justifications defy all common sense...then again, there are so many things flawed with this game that Bioware is just in straight up denial about that I find it more humorous than anything. I have to laugh about it.

[FrancisBaconator]

I was fine with the picture at first. Then I heard all the nay-sayers. Then I saw the picture again and couldn't un-see the reality of what it was. Thanks.

Modifié par FrancisBaconator, 06 avril 2012 - 11:18 .

[Jedifan421]

Vespervin wrote...

I liked the photo. They only need to fix the hand, clothing and background. That's it. Everything else is fine.

I respect your opinion but why couldn't they have at least implemented that face into the game engine, using the photo as the base for the modeling for her face, then put THAT into the picture frame like they did for Shepard, Miranda, Liara, Samara and Diana?

The answer: they were simply rushed.

Modifié par Jedifan421, 06 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[Larryboy_Dragon]

I don't think you know what HORRENDOUS means.