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Tali's Face - The Explanation (And the HORRENDOUS Contradiction)


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lillitheris

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arthurhallam wrote...
what the f*ck are you talking about? we already knew they were similar to humans pre-me 3.


No. Not ‘very similar’. Most similar. That's a big difference. Here's the original quarian concept art (this is from “The Art of Mass Effect Universe”):

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All of those count as ‘most similar’.

Like I said, I'd have been able to overlook the silly flat-out human look (I mean they're not even made of the same proteins FFS!) if they'd properly modeled the face.

Modifié par lillitheris, 07 avril 2012 - 12:22 .


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LordJeyl wrote...

Well, if I tasked someone to create a Quarian's face from scratch and this is what he handed me, I would say "Good start, but the fingers are off, the hair is too much and why would she give you a photo of just herself? Does she have an "I LOVE ME!" photo album just lying around?"

I would NEVER sign off on this image as in-game content.

Precisely.

It's as though they went straight from rough first draft sketch to "print it!"

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Cant Planet wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Well, if I tasked someone to create a Quarian's face from scratch and this is what he handed me, I would say "Good start, but the fingers are off, the hair is too much and why would she give you a photo of just herself? Does she have an "I LOVE ME!" photo album just lying around?"

I would NEVER sign off on this image as in-game content.

Precisely.

It's as though they went straight from rough first draft sketch to "print it!"


That's because that's exactly what they did.

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Cant Planet wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

Well, if I tasked someone to create a Quarian's face from scratch and this is what he handed me, I would say "Good start, but the fingers are off, the hair is too much and why would she give you a photo of just herself? Does she have an "I LOVE ME!" photo album just lying around?"

I would NEVER sign off on this image as in-game content.

Precisely.

It's as though they went straight from rough first draft sketch to "print it!"


I initially thought that the photo would be you and her hugging or kissing or just staring into the Rannoch sunset. Honestly... I really wanted to see her face, I really was a huge supporter of the reveal. But had I known just how poorly there were planning to do this, I would have preferred to not have her revealed at all. I never thought there would be a worse case than NOT revealing her. But here it is...

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I have a "I LOVE ME" photo album just laying around. I even cut out all of those ugly people in the photos that aren't me.

Doesn't everyone?

Modifié par Sparatus, 07 avril 2012 - 12:27 .


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Scalpels wrote...

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I just want to know why they didn't use Ash Sroka, the voice actress. She's pretty without being 'perfect' and, to me, looks like she/Tali sounds.


When the Talimancers were disappointed that there was no reveal in Tali's romance in ME2 we wondered the same thing. One Talimancer actually photoshopped Mrs.Sorka's face into Tali's mask.  I would have linked it, but I have long since lost that image.


I, for one, would like to see that image.

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Scalpels wrote...

I liked all the books from Drew Karpyshyn. He clearly knows the universe's lore and the hard science underpinning it. He doesn't make the characters "pop" the way the games do which can be off-putting to some people.


I wish there was more to work from too, but we can speculate (a bad word these days) on how it would work. We know Rannoch has no insects (great place to picnic), has a more orange sun and is more arid than earth. That is about it.

I see plants on Rannoch relying on wind borne pollen to mix genes and wind or fruit as a method of distributing seeds. But it is a wide universe and we don't need to limit ourselves to terrestrial examples.


I must be off, but enjoyed this enlightening conversation ... perhaps that word is too strong, but I have appreciated your patience and our little give and take. Though I hardly contributed except through questions.

Still, that the photo was the only experience I'd had (that I can recall, there may have been something in the ME codex) with Quarian appearance, I will once again express my dismay that I felt the lore was not so clear to me as to assure the logic of them evolving with human-esque skin to support their own ecosystems.

Even so, if clarification could satisfy my confusion in relation to that, it offers me hope for other "plotholes."

In support:

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It wasn't so bad.

Modifié par Mademon, 07 avril 2012 - 12:28 .


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+1 to OP. It would have been ok if the photo revealed her face but you got to see it later.

#134
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Guess what. The real world kept going. It was just at your stop a minute ago. Guess you were a bit late.

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With Tali Bioware was between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, they could make her model and have the inevitable "we hate her face" threads all over the BSN (yes, it would happen regardless of how beautiful it looked). And on the other hand, they could have not shown her face at all, left the whole thing to imagination, and would have to deal with all the "why u no show face?" threads. Eithe way, people would be angry.

Though, Bioware found option three. Is it worse than the other two? Maybe. Some are content, some aren't. But the reaction seems to be similar to what I predicted would happen with the other options.

Modifié par BlahDog, 07 avril 2012 - 12:34 .


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They should have used Talis VA....

Don't know why people even argue that point, the photo is garbage. Someone recreated it in 10 mins on Photoshop.

It is unreasonable for people to expect them to admit their goof at PAX though. You thought they'd say "yo, my bad we shouldn't have done that to Tali" when they can't even admit the terribleness of their ending?

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Found it!

http://social.biowar...index/1037701/5

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Militarized wrote...

They should have used Talis VA....

Don't know why people even argue that point, the photo is garbage. Someone recreated it in 10 mins on Photoshop.

It is unreasonable for people to expect them to admit their goof at PAX though. You thought they'd say "yo, my bad we shouldn't have done that to Tali" when they can't even admit the terribleness of their ending?


I wasn't surprised they stood by their decsion for Tali's face obviously. I was more surprised that they went with the insanely contradictory explanation they said.

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Bioware, please model her in a future in game DLC. Thanks.

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Militarized wrote...

They should have used Talis VA....

Don't know why people even argue that point, the photo is garbage. Someone recreated it in 10 mins on Photoshop.

It is unreasonable for people to expect them to admit their goof at PAX though. You thought they'd say "yo, my bad we shouldn't have done that to Tali" when they can't even admit the terribleness of their ending?


The day they will admit that they hade done something wrong  the world will end.

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This wouldn't have been an issue if it wasn't a symptom of rushing the production. And the rushing wouldn't have been talked about if they had nailed the ending. But they didn't so it is an issue. Deal with it, "yawners"

Modifié par Njald, 07 avril 2012 - 12:41 .


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arthurhallam wrote...

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.


At first my reaction to your post was the same as your avatar

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but then it quickly evolved into


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PKchu wrote...

Bioware, please model her in a future in game DLC. Thanks.


This is constructive feedback if I ever heard it. Model her after that MsUK and be done with it.

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They were lazy with Tali's face, plan and simple. Theres no explanation behind it. They could have been really creative behind Tali's face. (The Art of Mass Effect Universe has concepts of Tali's face that weren't bad at all).

Its just another thing in the game that could have been way better then what it was. They know it.

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Jedifan421 wrote...
So why didn't they just model someone for her face from BioWare such as, maybe, THE VOICE ACTRESS or A MODEL THEY CAN ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY TAKE A PICTURE OF IN REAL LIFE AND SCAN INTO THE GAME ENGINE INSTEAD OF USING A STOCK PHOTO FROM GETTY IMAGES?

From the picture I've seen of Jessica Merizan, using her face would have been putting her to better use for the company than having her handle the PR, as evidenced from the past couple days.

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Don't fret people! At least they put some time and effort in to rendering EDI's ******.

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I want them to explain how she took the picture. How she's out of her suit. Where she is. When she took it. etc etc, the thing is: this picture jumps the shark so high it ends up in outer space (literally). It is a poor attempt to reveal her face and it shows, and it brings up a dozen questions and answers none. After all, we still haven't really seen her face just that goofy goofy goofy picture.

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arthurhallam wrote...

YAWN. no one cares. the photo was fine & suited her character.

so what if it was a "stock image" - they still have to find it.

now, if you don't like it, go do something else with your life.


They still hd to find it...that is just sad, how hard is it to search stock photos?

You know what would have been a better way to find a model for Tali's face. HIRE A MODEL

So simple...:(





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The girl in the photo is cute. All. that. matters!

Also for a joke, they should have put the faces of Loghain, Avernus, and Morrigan in for Han'Gerrel, Zaal'Korris, and Daro'Xen.

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Actually, I hear that ME4 is going to be a static JPG image with pictures of all the characters and voice overs to tell you what is going on. Much more tasteful that way. Wouldn't want to sully that 'engine' ya know...