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Cameo appearances of Warden or Hawke = Big mistake?


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I'd like to see some continuity between the games, so, Hawke could be used easily.

The Warden, on the other hand, rather not. I don't see this done in a appropriate way. If they need a Warden with a familiar face in the next game, rather use Bethany/Carver.

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I have a very bad feeling about this....

I really don't want to see my Warden either voiced or/and completely controlled by Bioware. What killed Mass Effect 3 for me was watching my Shepard speak for himself 80% of the time. I hatred that with a passion and don't want to see that ever return in future games. If they're going to have the Warden appear, make it a five second silent cameo thumbs up at best.

Please, don't touch my Warden, Bioware....

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Use Hawke all you want, but leave my Warden alone please.

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If bioware hasnt learned by now that everyone cherishes there warden then they are suffering from cranial meltdown. Now it is not feasible financially or otherwise to take every players warden ( I have like 20+ I have made and finished) and continue their story lines. Instead the could slide in a side quest using your warden which maybe you could just patch in somehow and do some high level behind the scenes mission which could affect your current players course but you get to play your warden for that mission. If they cant import the warden maybe they could add a just import the generator from DA:O so you could duplicate your warden. the final wardens are all 20+ level so they can make it a harder mission and still leave you to control the fate of your other character by the choices you make as your original warden. ie things your warden leaves behind or chooses not to deal with then your new character has to contend with later in the game. Something like that I would enjoy but have no faith that it will actually turn out that way.

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The Warden and Hawke need big roles or what was the point of them? I am scared DA3 will be a giant let down at the end like ME3....

We need more darkspawn, Morrigan and Flemeth and the old gods. Not this silly mage and templar war as a focus.

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realguile wrote...

Do. Not. Touch. My. Grey. Warden.


Lol, I hope they do just because of this.

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I'd rather not see my elven Warden in the new style, thanks. :P

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 What if we "encounter" The Warden the same way we "encountered" Malcolm Hawke in Legacy?  I think that has the potential to be cool.

Also what could be cool, would be to encounter Hawke/The Warden, and give the player the option to run both ends of the conversation.

It doesn't *have* to be a disaster.

Also, if they give the Warden a voice, what they should probably do is mangle it somewhat because the Warden's taint has progressed to the point that it's affecting his/her voice.  (Or for some other reason.)  If it sounds awful on purpose, there won't be people complaining that it sounds awful on accident.

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Hawke. Yes.
My Warden. No.

Use Stroud or somebody else in his place.

And leave the old companions alone. It's only getting weirder if we see the supposed LI's of our Warden hang around without them, maybe even being LI's for the new protagonist.

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iakus wrote...

I say keep DA3 its own game, set in Thedas. No Warden. No Hawke


This for now but in the future I'd like to see one of the protagonists make a come back, not in a cameo form that is controlled by a computer but as in allowing us to play as that character.

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PsychoBlonde wrote...


What if we "encounter" The Warden the same way we "encountered" Malcolm Hawke in Legacy?  I think that has the potential to be cool.'

Malcolm Hawke is not Garret Hawke. They are two different people and two different character. I don't play Legacy so I don't know much.


PsychoBlonde wrote...

Also what could be cool, would be to encounter Hawke/The Warden, and give the player the option to run both ends of the conversation.


It doesn't *have* to be a disaster.

Also, if they give the Warden a voice, what they should probably do is mangle it somewhat because the Warden's taint has progressed to the point that it's affecting his/her voice.  (Or for some other reason.)  If it sounds awful on purpose, there won't be people complaining that it sounds awful on accident.


I have enough struggling to roleplay Hawke in DA 2. No thanks. I rather let BioWare play their own character this time.  It's them who screwed Hawke in the first place. So let them screwed Hawke some more. I couldn't care less.

As for my Warden it would please me, provided that

a.) BioWare has the answer as to why my Amber Cousland return to life or why my Maverick Cousland is recalled from Eluvian Portal or why Amell, Aeducan and Mahariel need to leave Deep Roads when it's near their calling
b.) the Warden has the exact voice tones to deliver a snarky remark with his calm facial expression. And if I import from Awakening, I expect french accent from my warden's mouth. 

Can Bioware do that?
If cannot then the warden is not my former character. I will take that the warden as someone else that has no connection to me. Therefore if there any intention to bring nostalgia back to me. it will not work.

 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 07 avril 2012 - 08:06 .


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I don't like to run into character I've played before because it's never the same. It just comes across as "wrong".

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I've come to the conclusion that I will rather not see my warden and my Hawke again.
My warden is in Antiva helping Zevran with the crows in the last years she has back before the calling. She is not going to care about warden-busniess any more, she was rather selfish and with Awkening she feels that she has served her time as a warden, and she is not going to be involved with else than Zevran at this point. She has a limited life-time and wants to spend it free of obligation.

My Hawke is not going to do anything that doesn't involve freeing mages, killing templars or killing seekers. I guess I could see her cameo besides Anders if only because after the da2 she would fear for his life enough to keep him close all time, but even then I would rather that the Li's simply makes it clear that they know where Hawke is and still are together than having Hawke act a way that is not Hawke.

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bEVEsthda wrote...

There is a way it could be done. Have the player 'guest play' the Warden/Hawke. There could be a use for that. A very difficult mission which the protagonist can't tackle. Remember the Warden/Hawke is at a very high level.
Only in the transition phases will we experience Warden/Hawke as a strict npc.


But then you would ask. Depending on the mission would your Hawke/warden even help or logically be there to help.

I am not sure warden would bother helping newbies out unless she was given a really, really good reason (she was rather selfish), and my Hawke (who I do roleplay.) is rather focused on her on goal now and would potentially not be there unless it involved hellping mages/killing templars/killing other chantry members.

I am really think it is better to let them stay in the mystrious sunset and only hear rumors about them. Since rumors are only rumors.

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I'd rather not have them return outside of player control, so I'd rather not have them ever directly meet the new protagonist (because controlling both in conversation would be silly, and without conversation I suspect it would feel like pointless fanservice). But if there's a Varric-style storytime segue, say, with Morrigan or such, whereupon you control your old PC while the story is being told, I could dig that.

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TobiTobsen wrote...
And leave the old companions alone. It's only getting weirder if we see the supposed LI's of our Warden hang around without them, maybe even being LI's for the new protagonist.


I have to agree it was kind of strange to see all your companions ending up in every bloody country in Thedas ah ha. 

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No cameo for Hawke or the Warden.

Do not touch.

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Tbh i am verry optimistic about DA 3 for a couple of reasons. One they have actually admitted their mistakes. That for me is huge. Theyve come out and said rather bluntly, this we did not do good enoug/this we did bad. The fact that they have already done this is the reason ill get DA 3 despite the ME 3 debacle.

Now as for Hawke, if they are gonna resolve the Mage/Templar thing, he has to have at least some sort of cameo, theres no way around that. Now the warden is not important what so ever to this storyline. So there shouldnt be the need. But again here, depending on the development time, and how good they write it, and take save exports (remember most of what the warden did is unimportant to the greater scheme. Only the big decisions would matter like morrigan child, live or dead. Whos king etc. That shouldnt be to hard to program in to make all your wardens somewhat uniqe if they do a cameo of him/her as well.

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I want that Cameo. or better yet... its like the Expendables you get the DAIII PC plus Hawke plus the Warden and just kick ass.

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yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, now I"m gonna go pound some Dew and load up some Reach.

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Cameos will help **SELL** the game.

While I am skeptical, I'm willing to wait and see until we hear MORE before making any judgments.

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Shared wrote...

Tbh i am verry optimistic about DA 3 for a couple of reasons. One they have actually admitted their mistakes. That for me is huge. Theyve come out and said rather bluntly, this we did not do good enoug/this we did bad. The fact that they have already done this is the reason ill get DA 3 despite the ME 3 debacle.

Now as for Hawke, if they are gonna resolve the Mage/Templar thing, he has to have at least some sort of cameo, theres no way around that. Now the warden is not important what so ever to this storyline. So there shouldnt be the need. But again here, depending on the development time, and how good they write it, and take save exports (remember most of what the warden did is unimportant to the greater scheme. Only the big decisions would matter like morrigan child, live or dead. Whos king etc. That shouldnt be to hard to program in to make all your wardens somewhat uniqe if they do a cameo of him/her as well.

And how do you propose the warden's response to such important matter in DA 3? We all know silent protagonist doesnt work well with cinematic.  How would my warden gesture and express his face and body during conversation? Seriously I don't want my warden to express himself like Sheppard or Hawke's acting . They're too generic it's kills me. My Warden has nothing like Hawke and Sheppard acting. He always look calm yet his sarcasm is enough to shut Fenris's mouth . Can BioWare imagine that? 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 07 avril 2012 - 10:19 .


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Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Shared wrote...

Tbh i am verry optimistic about DA 3 for a couple of reasons. One they have actually admitted their mistakes. That for me is huge. Theyve come out and said rather bluntly, this we did not do good enoug/this we did bad. The fact that they have already done this is the reason ill get DA 3 despite the ME 3 debacle.

Now as for Hawke, if they are gonna resolve the Mage/Templar thing, he has to have at least some sort of cameo, theres no way around that. Now the warden is not important what so ever to this storyline. So there shouldnt be the need. But again here, depending on the development time, and how good they write it, and take save exports (remember most of what the warden did is unimportant to the greater scheme. Only the big decisions would matter like morrigan child, live or dead. Whos king etc. That shouldnt be to hard to program in to make all your wardens somewhat uniqe if they do a cameo of him/her as well.

And how do you propose the warden's response to such important matter in DA 3? We all know silent protagonist doesnt work well with cinematic.  How would my warden gesture and express his face and body during conversation? Seriously I don't want my warden to express himself like Sheppard or Hawke's acting . They're too generic it's kills me. My Warden has nothing like Hawke and Sheppard acting. He always look calm yet his sarcasm is enough to shut Fenris's mouth . Can BioWare imagine that? 


It depends, if they put in the effort for it they could make it work. How you respond could rely on your replies in DA:O, where u kind? Sarcastic? Evil? Now as for the voice itself, thats just goann be upp to bioware. Personally i would love them to cameo the warden in some way. And i wouldnt mind the voice not beeing what i imagined in my head. As long as its done good, and takes into consideration the big desisions, and maybe overall attitude throughout the games.

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I'd say a cameo from both would be very cool, AS LONG AS they're MY Warden and Hawke in both appearance and history.

Their scenes would probably work better if they were brief, though (ex. see the Warden riding by followed by other GW, or travelling with Morrigan, or whatever, without saying a word; Hawke OTOH could speak).

But frankly, I really have no interest at all to see a Canon!Warden or Canon!Hawke in my game. They would stick out as impostors.

Modifié par Pedrak, 07 avril 2012 - 12:11 .


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Mine went into the mirror, I dont know how he would comeback since the portal closed. They'd have to work out all the kinks.

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I don't care about Warden, his story is over already.

But Hawke would be good.