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[seraphymon]

i dont care about Hawke, he was a sh***y protag

but been waiting on warden closure since witch hunt

[PinkShoes]

lol probably.

[Dogaum]

After some reading about DA3, only bringing the warden as MC would make me buy it.

[Ryenke]

No cameos please. 1) past DA cameos show me that BW writers are just not very good at them. 2) keep your hands off my Warden!! 3) I have as much dislike for Hawke as I have love for DA/Thedas. Never want to see Hawke again.

[Tpiom]

I'm all for meeting Hawke but do NOT want to meet the Warden... as it is possible for him to be dead. Even if he isn't - there are other compelling reasons for him to stay away as he's dead in twenty years, or so, because of the taint.

Hawke is different, as we never really got to know him: we were just along for the ride,so further character development wouldn't hurt. His chapter wasn't really completed. They might as well complete it in a cameo role. I mean... Why not? His entire journey was a fuss anyway (why he remained in Kirkwall after act one is a mystery to me).


But deep down... The less said about DA2 - the better. No cameos and no mention of it would be golden. But I guess you can't have everything

Modifié par Tpiom, 07 avril 2012 - 08:28 .

[Dessalines]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

EnforcerGREG wrote...

It be good to catch up with my Warden, his God child son and apostate wife/girlfriend/significant other? she's not too fond on labels that Morrigan.

I would like to know what Hawke is doing since their wont be an expansion. Did he take Isabela up on that offer of first mate

We may not be able to decide when they show up but I feel we should be able to still control their actions

I am not sure. It seems weird.  A oart of me would think it is cool to see how the computer put all of you decisions to come up with your personality, but then I am thinking of the fallout. Here is what could happen. (Cue CLue Music)
1) Import face glitch- Your warden or Hawke does not appear like the Warden or Hawke you played in the games, or you stuck with the "standard" Hawke or Warden. Another Bioware glitch, forums complain.
2) He or She is in her helmet through the whole scene. Bioware is cutting corners.  It comes off looking cheap, forum's complain.
3) Hawke or Warden does not mention their LI or get the LI wrong. Another Bioware glith. Forums complain.
4)Hawke or WArden does something that you as their creator would have never done, or gets killed in the most horrendous way in any Bioware game to date. Conspiracy theorist state  that Bioware is basically put that scene in the game to state they do not care about the fans, and the forums complain.

I would rather how people that know them be in the game and can you fill you in at the various times in the game.
People will still complain, but it will not be so visceral.

Heavy risk but the prize...... but yeah I do see how it could all end as another PR nightmare

1) I think the only way would be 2 recreate your warden/Hawke with the DA 3 toolset. Which would annoy some people and all but ruin the supprise of them being in the gme. would take more resources as well especially for the other races.

3) I often said the import system needs to be scrapped,give me a checklist of all the major/Minor descions and I could recreate my Thedas the way I made or Experiment  with it without going through the previous titles.

I1) I like the import system, but I don't see why they do not have the comic book format like they did in Mass Effect 2, so you can modify your choices without going through three games and bunch of dlcs just to play a walkthrough that you killed Wynne or something like that.

[prizm123]

my warden is dead
my Hawke, i have no idea, last i heard Isabella asked her to join her crew on her new ship...i rather like that idea

[Icesong]

Stop it here before we end up with another Revan on our hands.

[MICHELLE7]

Would prefer not to see the Warden or Hawke in DA3...as far as I'm concerned their story it over in the shaping of events...time to move on with a new protagonist...would like to see some of the other characters though...Flemeth, Sandal, Bodahn, etc.

[Dragoonlordz]

It is pretty hard to implement at this stage, there was no export of facial data between DA:O and DA2, if there is an import on DA3 it will not have this data to hand. The second issue is it will be out of character due to the large nature in which many peoples persona created via dialogue over past few games will be out of touch within the next title if go the NPC route.

I believe Bioware stated long ago that will be a new protaganist for each title which relegates cameos to NPC or companion status. But this like said has too many pitfalls to make it a workable idea at this stage now. I did make a little animated gif a while back which tried to find a way around this problem but in the end even that would not work in retrospect.



While I think being referenced is possible, a cameo would not be so in reality. Bare in mind was mean't in jest.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 07 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[Transgirlgamer]

If the Warden or Hawke put in a cameo in DA3, I would hope that it's basically in the background and none speaking. I have built my own characters with these, as much as possible at least. If something they do or say doesn't fit with my characterization then that would just feel wrong to me.

To be honest, better if they're kept out of the future DA games.

As to old characters. I bet Bodahn and Sandal turn up somewhere in DA3. In fact did anyone catch where they were heading next? I'd bet that's where the game will be set.

[Teddie Sage]

I imagine my Warden dead by now along with Alistair because they probably got their Calling. So I want to see my Hawke instead and I want it as a party member with his love interest and see where they story progresses from there. That, or I want to play my Hawke again and ditch the option of playing a new character. I just like my Hawke.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 08 avril 2012 - 12:22 .

[Amycus89]

Maybe they could make it so that you control both Hawke/thewarden/your new DA3 character at the same time in such a scene? If it is just in short scenes at a time it shouldnt be too hard to do.

Largest problem would be the warden being silent of course, but hopefully they can find a way around that.

[Lord Nikon 001]

I think they should leave both previous games behind. They will never please people by including them anyways. Start new, with new companions and new choices. Too many resources will be wasted on finding a middle ground for the previous two games. Resources better spent on character dialog and gameplay. Both games have become too emotional for people now, better to leave the whole mess behind.

[nightcobra]

*waiting to see oghren and varric on a tall tale competition between the two games protagonists*


varric: there it was, biggest ogre you have ever seen and i **** you not, hawke tore it apart with nothing but a spoon.

oghren: bah that's nothing, hehe you should have seen the warden take out 50, no...500 darkspawn with good ol' fashioned ass kicking, naked!

varric: dancing the merigold while at it?

oghren: bahaha, heheha yeah!....what? 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 08 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think they could just about pull of a Hawke cameo, as long as the subject of conversation was fairly neutral, by using the dominant tone to determine the dialgoue.

The Warden, though, strikes me as a nightmare.  Wardens can have two genders and three different accents - assuming a Dalish Warden were given a Welsh voice actor  - so that's a minimum of six voice recordings. And that would still mean using the same person for the City Elves and both Dwarf origins. If they didn't at least take the Warden's background into account when voicing them, I wouldn't want to hear them speak at all.

On the whole, I'd perfer not to see either of my previous protagonists in DA3. I'd like to know what happened to them (well, the ones who didn't sacrifice themselves to end the Blight) but I don't think I need to see them in order for that to be resolved.

[Iosev]

I think that both characters could have cameo appearances, although I do think that Hawke has the potential of providing a stronger appearance.

I think a cameo appearance of Hawke is easier to implement because his or her fate has been left untold (i.e., after the events of DA2). In contrast, the Warden has various outcomes (e.g., ultimate sacrifice, ruling Ferelden, followed Morrigan, Warden-Commander, etc.), which alone presents a challenge for the character's cameo.

In addition, Hawke already has voice actors, as well as an established personality (i.e., the dominant personality in your playthrough), so a full cameo appearance with dialogue could definitely be implemented. The Warden, on the other hand, wasn't voiced (excluding battle/ambient voices), in addition to not having an established personality, so I would imagine that many people would not want their Warden to suddenly have a voice or personality that contradicted what they had imagined for their character.

I think one novel approach to having a Hawke cameo could be the player's ability to control some of Hawke's dialogue during the cameo, despite playing as the DA3 protagonist.

With that said, I do think that Hawke deserves more closure within a game (in order to highlight your actions in DA2), and if a cameo appearance can do that, than I wouldn't have a problem with it. My wardens have all had varying amounts of closure (one sacrificed himself, the other is ruling alongside Anora, and the other followed his love Morrigan through the looking glass).

On a somewhat related note, if the love interests of Hawke or the Warden appear (as cameos or companions), I do hope that they turn down any romantic overtures from the future protagonist.

Modifié par arcelonious, 08 avril 2012 - 02:22 .

[mopotter]

catofnine wrote...

iakus wrote...

No, I'm in favor of a "clean break" No amount of continuity will satisfy everyone. Someone's Warden will invariably get screwed up or someone's Hawke will end up being ooc, and people will get p*ssed about it. If Bioware tries too hard to link all the games together, with all the possible variations, the games will suffer for it.

I say keep DA3 its own game, set in Thedas. No Warden. No Hawke

Ditto.  Would like a new protagonist and all new cast, really.  

I dread that bit about possibly bringing back old characters into DA3.  I wouldn't mind if one of them was Varric, but if the old "favorites" turn out to be Oghren or old LIs I'm going to be pissed.  

I'd also vote for this if voting were an option.    Especially no Hawke or Warden from a previous game.  I agree, Varric is a story teller and I could see him sitting in a bar somewhere telling tall tales and having people buy him drinks.  But as much as I like Varric I don't want him to join my new group.  And I'd really prefer not to see anyone else from either game.  

Maybe hear a rumor as your walking by a group of merchants about the big fight where the leaders of both the templars and mages went insane and some person named Hawke had to settle it, but that's it.  I'd like new interesting characters and new story based on some dragon age lore.

[Foryou]

Don't want them to end up like Alaister, or say something that they wouldn't for me.
Dual Dialogue wheels anyone

[valentine3]

Teddie Sage wrote...

I imagine my Warden dead by now along with Alistair because they probably got their Calling. So I want to see my Hawke instead and I want it as a party member with his love interest and see where they story progresses from there. That, or I want to play my Hawke again and ditch the option of playing a new character. I just like my Hawke.

Yet some of us would like the same for our wardens instead of hawke I want to play my warden again and ditch the options of new protagonist ,cause I just like my warden.
I still think it would be the best idea to choose your own protagonist.If you want to play as warden have the option to change the face a bit choose a vioce and play on.
If your warden id dead( your warden commander still lives) and you dont want to continue his story choose hawke.
AND if your sick of both the warden and hawke and you want a clean start choose new protagonist.

Cameo's wont work.The idea has already caused a massive problem on other forums (not so much bioware forums I see) but anyway .Having a warden show up that resembles your warden and ask questions or comments that your warden wont is not right(even  if you had the option to choose his vioce)
Same with Hawke. Hawke has a vioce already but  had 3 diffrent" personalities"( nice,sarcastic,or rude) So once again your hawke might not act like my hawke would have.

[jbrand2002uk]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

If the Warden or Hawke put in a cameo in DA3, I would hope that it's basically in the background and none speaking. I have built my own characters with these, as much as possible at least. If something they do or say doesn't fit with my characterization then that would just feel wrong to me.

To be honest, better if they're kept out of the future DA games.

As to old characters. I bet Bodahn and Sandal turn up somewhere in DA3. In fact did anyone catch where they were heading next? I'd bet that's where the game will be set.

Actually as I recall late in Da2( the Notorious Act 3) Bodahn mentions that they where offered a place at the royal court of Orlais as the Empress had one of sandals enchantments and was most impressed 

[fcslmloyb]

You can place me firmly in the camp not wishing for the Warden to return. Going that route is just abundant with trip ups, and let's face it no matter what they do it'll upset the fanbase.

Hawke on the other hand doesnt seem to inspire as great a loyalty as the Warden nor has as many potential options to get wrong. But even so i'd rather have him/her referred to, maybe glimpsed in the distance leading an army, but not play a direct, face to face role in the game.

[Genshie]

fcslmloyb wrote...

You can place me firmly in the camp not wishing for the Warden to return. Going that route is just abundant with trip ups, and let's face it no matter what they do it'll upset the fanbase.

Hawke on the other hand doesnt seem to inspire as great a loyalty as the Warden nor has as many potential options to get wrong. But even so i'd rather have him/her referred to, maybe glimpsed in the distance leading an army, but not play a direct, face to face role in the game.

I would think it would be okay for the Warden to just be in a cameo or two and not say anything. (A background reference character) I was originally hoping for Hawke in DA2 to just randomly pass by my Warden  without notice and have them notice eachother then move on. (Perhaps with Hawke or someone in the party mentioning something, like Varric, "That person seems awfully familiar."