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[Sharksoup]

he summed up my thoughts

[xsdob]

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

[Caz Tirin]

Ashilana wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

He pretty much nailed it.

Too bad the mainstream media (or even the gaming press) won't analyze the press release...

Well they have to stay "impartial" and "unbiased".  After all, who ever heard of a common citizen that had an opinion?  Right?

[Caz Tirin]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

Why don't you answer my other post instead of (poorly) trying to troll?

[Auralius Carolus]

Elisar4tw wrote...

I still want to hold out for the indoc theory THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

You know what sucks about hope? If your hope is misplaced, it just raises you higher so that hit the hard cold ground of reality that much more powerfully when it gets pulled out from under you.

Bioware's behavior thus far has shown no notion for the IT. Regardless, do you really want to wait so that a cinematic can tell you that the ending wasn't real and still leave you without gameplay to satisfy what is?

[xsdob]

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

Why don't you answer my other post instead of (poorly) trying to troll?

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

[Almostfaceman]

Get out of my head Angry Joe.

[Trentgamer]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

If they leave in Starchild at all..it's a crap ending. I don't care how much sugar they put on top of it. You NEVER introduce a new character, plot fillers, and new questions at the finale of any story. That is why the ending is broken. Clarifying and expanding on it will not fix it. So yeah..we can make that judgement pretty safely I think.

[Caz Tirin]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

Why don't you answer my other post instead of (poorly) trying to troll?

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

You didn't even address the issues.  At all.

[Exeider]

@JOE

Right on man, Polishing a golden turd.

-Æ

[tomcplotts]

i'd put money that the DLC is basically going to be a windy exposition explaining why we're stupid and trying to repitch the interpretation, mostly by fiat.

and they don't starve! (cause we said so)
and the relays don't wipe anyone out anymore! that was just that one. but the others are different! (cause we said so)
and Joker isn't going to try to reproduce with his expensive RealDoll™. (cause that's just silly...and we said so)
yada yada yada

if I'm them, I'm making a laundry list of the biggest gripes and then I set to work eliminating them by fiat--otherwise known as space magic.

I honestly can't see what else they can do...or they just ignore everything and show a couple of slides with you holding your teammates hands against the backdrop of stock footage of Fiji and have teh starchild mumble something about how "war...war never changes" or something.

Seriously, it's over. let this thing RIP. Btw, GTA4 has been a great antidote for this game.

[xsdob]

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

Why don't you answer my other post instead of (poorly) trying to troll?

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

You didn't even address the issues.  At all.

I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Modifié par xsdob, 07 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Silver77nz]

Very good video and I totally agree

[Lyrandori]

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

[Caz Tirin]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

You didn't even address the issues.  At all.

I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Evading the question is a logical fallacy.  You can't convince me because you can't counter my points.  In fact, instead of even making the attempt, you just repeat yourself over and over.

[Caz Tirin]

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

[xsdob]

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

You didn't even address the issues.  At all.

I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Evading the question is a logical fallacy.  You can't convince me because you can't counter my points.  In fact, instead of even making the attempt, you just repeat yourself over and over.

Okay than, tell me exactly how you know that the extended cut dlc will not reapir the narrative cohesion, How exactly it won't have shepard sill overcoming impossible odds, and how it having further interaction with the prospect of rejecting the starchild and being shown why his solutions are neccisary will not be included.

They are not changing the basics of the ending, but a few extra scenes thrown in can change a lot, espically in showing shepard not just listening blindly, but arguing his case. The cinematics can alter the story greatly, to deny that is foolish.

Modifié par xsdob, 07 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[Mystical_Gaming]

 41 seconds into the video I was laughing pretty hard. I think we all were responding the same way he was lol

Modifié par Mystical_Gaming, 07 avril 2012 - 03:01 .

[deimosmasque]

Gotta say, while I'm fine with the endings and the extended DLC idea. Angry Joe is the man!

He is the only one I've every listened to who has put his points so well and so not filled with anger and vitrol (ironically considering his name) that I sit down and actually think about what he says and start to understand a lot better. Rather than just closing my ears and ignoring even the good points over the bad.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Jenonax wrote...

 Apologies if this has already been posted.  Angry Joe's take on the DLC.

Excellent video

[Bourne Endeavor]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

One can make a reasonable estimation based upon prior events. We have shown faith in BioWare and the result was this debacle, derived from empty promises and rooftop shoutings of artistic integrity, a term little more than masquerading as both a shield from criticism and to indirectly insult people who just "didn't get it." While I agree with your statement in theory, you cannot expect, nor should you, people will have continued faith in a company that appears satisfied to hide behind a new buzz phrase.

We have little reason to believe this supposed clarity will solve our issues, except go cling to blind faith. People can only remain optimistic so long before it starts to feel bleak.

Besides given the content, it is difficult to envision something worthwhile coming from "clarity," which does not involve retcons of previous lore (Arrival) or Space Magic. In fact, at the PAX convention BioWare openly contradicted themselves, citing the Citadel did not completely implode. Jessica has done similar when she claimed Mass Relays could be rebuilt.

The former is outright incorrect considering we witness the Citadel begin to crumble and common physics would indicate it would fall from orbit after sustaining such extensive damage. The latter is wishful thinking at best. Even disregarding the Stargazer nonsense. The Protheans are the only known species to even have studied Mass Relay technology, and that only produced the Conduit; a one way ticket that required connection to another Relay. Even if it were plausible, how would they possibly relocate to each star system?

See, we are now back to the "and everyone starves" problem. I dunno maybe they rebuild the Reaper's interface and pilot those.

[Militarized]

xsdob wrote...


Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

Trotsky was pretty correct about judging National Socialism without letting it take it's course. >.> 

Not comparing that to this but... sometimes people just don't listen when the incoming train wreck is pointed out. 

[Caz Tirin]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

You didn't even address the issues.  At all.

I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Evading the question is a logical fallacy.  You can't convince me because you can't counter my points.  In fact, instead of even making the attempt, you just repeat yourself over and over.

Okay than, tell me exactly how you know that the extended cut dlc will not reapir the narrative cohesion, How exactly it won't have shepard sill overcoming impossible odds, and how it having further interaction with the prospect of rejecting the starchild and being shown why his solutions are neccisary will not be included.

They are not changing the basics of the ending, but a few extra scenes thrown in can change a lot, espically in showing shepard not just listening blindly, but arguing his case. The cinematics can alter the story greatly, to deny that is foolish.

Do you even understand what narrative cohesion is?  Throughout the Mass Effect series, Shepard has overcome overwhelming odds, kept fighting in the face of utter defeat and never surrendered.  And then... in the last 10 minutes, Starbaby tells Shepard "the created will always turn on their creators" and Shepard just goes along with that?  Even though she knows the Geth's history, helped EDI with her existential crisis, Shepard just suddenly derps it up?

And when presented with the three idiotic options, she just accepts that there's no other way?  What happened to the "Fight or die!" that ME3 started with?  Did Shepard suddenly just go braindead and some puppetmaster took over her body and mind?  Because MY SHEPARD would never accept that.  BioWare's Shepard, regardless of how you played through, is a fighter, not a quitter.  BIOWARE'S SHEPARD! would not just herp the derp and accept what Starbaby says without arguing and demanding answers.

That's exactly what I posted in reply to you on Page 5 of this very thread.

[GBJ13]

It's a good video explaining to people why they're not thrilled with Bioware's "extended cut" decision.

I still am amazed. Indoctrination theory would have given them a chance to do anything. Create entirely new ideas, etc.

[Dartack]

He nailed it again.
Yo Joe!