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[DJBare]

cuzsal wrote...
man he was able to say what i was thinking but he actualy was able to say it nicely

Yeah, Joe throwing a curve ball, definitely not what I expected.

[Wolven_Soul]

Nice.  I like this guy.

[JaylaClark]

I like Joe. I don't always agree with him, but I like him.

In this case... I probably am just getting happy that Bioware is going to explain the cruddy ending. But what was most wrong about this ending... was that it had no explanation. No closure. Just boom, NormandyCrash, happy ever after wait what? The end.

Adding explanation, and rationalization, to this game will redeem the game and series as a whole, to some extent. Though part of me wishes they'd just cribbed Origins and knocked out a 'let's kill the bad guys' ending. It really worked better than some journalists like to admit.

[Wolven_Soul]

xsdob wrote...

I do not agree with joe. I usually do, but he's not showing his usual impartial criticism that he usually shows.

He's basically just jumped on the pessimistic band wagon that I've become sick and tired of. No one can dismiss what the dlc will do, because they don't know jack didly about what the new content actually is. We can't celebrate this as a complete victory yet but at least wait until some actual evidence come out before you crucify them.

What is there to be impartial about.  We may not know what the new content is, but we know what it isn't.  No new gameplay, no new endings.  All we are getting is clarification, in whatever form that may be.  And Joe is right, we do not need clarification, we need a better ending.  You polish up a turd, it is still just a polished turd.

[Lyrandori]

Caz Tirin wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

Errr I wasn't only referring to the ME franchise specifically, nor just about ME3.

I'm saying that EA bought BioWare, and that EA is known to want "their" games (the ones they publish, from the devs they own, you get the point) out too fast. That's what I said. That, is the source of the problems we have, games are rushed. I sincerely believe that ME3 was rushed as well, not enough time spent to work on it and polish it properly as well as ME1 was and DAO or KOTOR were as well (that was back when BioWare was on their own, if I'm not mistaken). You're telling me that Mac and Casey don't work for EA... ok, who are they working for then? If they work "for" or "at" BioWare, and if BioWare (as a whole) works for EA (since EA bought them), then aren't they ultimately working "for" EA? Strangely this reminds me of the debate about Shepard either working "for" or "with" Cerberus back in ME2.

But anyway, I don't like EA's influence on most of the developers they own (which I happen to own many games of, not just BioWare's). Most of the games published by EA in the past couple of years do feel rushed and unpolished, it screams "get it out now!" to my ears and eyes, all about release schedules and fiscal year business crap and shareholders shenanigans.

But I can admit one thing, I watched that video recently: www.youtube.com/watch

It helped cement my thoughts on the subject (specifically) of EA and BioWare. So, I'll just repeat myself, I simply express my honest thoughts, whether "you" (or anyone one else) agree or disagree with me, I can think on my own, thanks. I believe that BioWare should leave EA, plain and simple. Well, maybe not "simple", but plain enough.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 07 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[Caz Tirin]

Lyrandori wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

Errr I wasn't only referring to the ME franchise specifically, nor just about ME3.

I'm saying that EA bought BioWare, and that EA is known to want "their" games (the ones they publish, from the devs they own, you get the point) out too fast. That's what I said. That, is the source of the problems we have, games are rushed, ME3, I sincerely believe was rushed as well, not enough time spent to work on it and polish it properly as well as ME1 was and DAO or KOTOR were as well (that was back when BioWare was on their own, if I'm not mistaken). You're telling me that Mac and Casey don't work for EA... ok, who are they working for then? If they work "for" or "at" BioWare, and if BioWare (as a whole) works for EA (since EA bought them), then aren't they ultimately working "for" EA? Strangely this reminds me of the debate about Shepard either working "for" or "with" Cerberus back in ME2.

But anyway, I don't like EA's influence on most of the developers they own (which I happen to own many games of, not just BioWare's). Most of the games published by EA in the past couple of years do feel rushed and unpolished, it screams "get it out now!" to my ears and eyes, all about release schedules and fiscal year business crap and shareholders shenanigans.

But I can admit one thing, I watched that video recently:

It helped cement my thoughts on the subject (specifically) of EA and BioWare.

So, I'll just repeat myself, I simply express my honest thoughts, whether "you" (or anyone one else) agree or disagree with me, I can think on my own, thanks. I believe that BioWare should leave EA, plain and simple. Well, maybe not "simple", but plain enough.

Fair enough.  But most of the conversations I see EA brought into are speaking about BioWare specifically (on these boards).

[die-yng]

At least one guy still tells it like it is.
There's not much to do, but hope for the new dlc, but it doesn't look good.

[Wolven_Soul]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I do not agree with joe. I usually do, but he's not showing his usual impartial criticism that he usually shows.

He's basically just jumped on the pessimistic band wagon that I've become sick and tired of. No one can dismiss what the dlc will do, because they don't know jack didly about what the new content actually is. We can't celebrate this as a complete victory yet but at least wait until some actual evidence come out before you crucify them.

When the "pessimistic band wagon" happens to be the truth, you can't really avoid appearing to jump on it.

But you have no proof to back up your claim of "it's the truth", you decided they were wrong before they ever said anything, and now you just interpret everything they say as being wrong.

Fans complained about lack of clousure, no epilouges, not seeing war assets comming into effect at the last mission, and the lack of differenciation in the ending. Bioware says they're going to try and fix this and fans attack them for not removing the starchild and keeping the ending choices and colors.

Fans aren't thinking rationally and probably never will for a long time. Hysteria, tramatization, and a general decision that bioware will never fix the mistakes they made have turned you guys into a group of pessimist who can't understand the concept of bioware doing something good for their fans.

All they have said is that they are developing content that will clarify the endings that they have already put out, and provide closure.  That's great, but it still does not do a damned thing about any of the other problems with the ending.  It does not change the fact that they gave us an A, B, C ending when they said that they would not.  I also cannot see how clarifying the endings will be able to make it so that our choices have mattered. 

You can harp on 'wait and see' all you want.  They have told us what they are not doing, therefore, they are not going to get happy fans.

Modifié par Wolven_Soul, 07 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[ME3FTW]

I'm a HUGE Angry Joe fan, and I know someone who works at EA, and I they didn't work on ME3, but his son bought and beat it, and now refuses to talk to him. ALL BECAUSE OF THE ENDING!

[Wolven_Soul]

pistolols wrote...

lmao all i can do is stare at this guy's big gay mustache and laugh i can't even concentrate on his cry baby antics and utterly insane expectations of a video game development company.

Im sorry, all I can do is hear your jerkish and rude attitude and not give any merit to anything that your saying.

[LinksOcarina]

 Posted this in another thread regarding Joe...

The problem with Joe is he likes to cater en-masse most of the time, meaning he does "research" on what people think is funny, and brings it to a comical level of cartoonish bravado that, i'll be perfectly honest, I never liked.

But I said too much already since I worked with him before. Basic point is, it's entertainment and hits mostly the reason why hes doing this, and it is somewhat upsetting to me that he is continuing too.

[Nragedreaper]

I still thank Bioware for the 95% that was great, but AJ sums up the feelings of everyone that was disappointed with the ending. I wish they would fix it. It really does impact the likelihood I will buy another bioware game. I definitely will not be pre ordering anymore. Let me reiterate that I don't mind if Sheppard dies...but give me a believeable ending. What was the point of getting the Geth on your side or even helping EDI start a relationship with Joker if the best of the three endings involves destroying them? In the end they are just going to explain everything away. They had a vision that contradicted the rest of the game and the character's development. I agree that Art shouldn't be changed, but if a novel's ending doesn't make sense the Editor can fix it. Why can't we fix this?

[Wolven_Soul]

lunaruaria wrote...

man i hope that this is just a smoke and mirrors tactic to some how buy bioware enough time to actually fix then ending but we will wait and see.

If it is, then they are not very bright.  Fans are dropping off the longer that this whole debacle is going on, and thus far, they have done nothing to entice any of them back.

[spirosz]

Hahaha.

[nranola]

I was waiting for this. Love this guy.

[Wolven_Soul]

BLY78NOR wrote...

Hard to take anyone seriously who whines about the extended cut before he's ever seen it.

And some people wonder why gamers are labeled entitled, BW caves inn to all the whining, extends the ending and gives it to you for free and what is the first reaction people have? whine about itnot being good enough months before anyone has even seen it

You just don't get it.  They have not caved in at all.  I mean, it really is not all that hard to figure out here.

[Marcus Lee]

Love his review.

[snakeytooth]

forgive me if i misunderstood, but i thought there was still a possibility/consideration (albeit very small) of additional gameplay? i say this because the dlc is technically still in development and because of what i read on kotaku's liveblog:

KCox:
Q: Ending DLC. More cut-scenes, or additional gameplay?

A: currently planning on extended cinematics but cannot currently comment otherwise. "keep giving us your feedback."

i know the feedback part of the response is sounding like a broken record =/

[buchoi]

Glad he pointed out that it isn't a new ending like several sites I have seen. Also I didn't subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory, but would be far happier with something clever like that. It seems they have just painted themselves into the corner for good. Will wait and see but the little faith i have left is trickling away and unless they are lying to us again with the press release and pull something out of the bag they will lose a customer.

[FBI-Azzurri]

Haha! I shared the Seinfeld link to him on Twitter! So glad he used it, it was hilarious the first time I watched it!

[Wolven_Soul]

xsdob wrote...


I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Everytime I see someone being called out for avoiding an issue, I hear this same exact thing.  They refuse to do so because they can't convince anyone.  Since when do you have to convince anyone of anything to produce an arguement?  Just because I can't agree with you does not mean I cannot respect your point of view if it is given in a polite and intelligent manner.  I have disagreed with more than a few pro enders but I could respect where they were coming from at least.

[spirosz]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

xsdob wrote...


I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Everytime I see someone being called out for avoiding an issue, I hear this same exact thing.  They refuse to do so because they can't convince anyone.  Since when do you have to convince anyone of anything to produce an arguement?  Just because I can't agree with you does not mean I cannot respect your point of view if it is given in a polite and intelligent manner.  I have disagreed with more than a few pro enders but I could respect where they were coming from at least.

It's the internet good sir, good luck.  People who go into an argument expecting to win are always going to end up in circles.  There are the rare few who respect other's opinions and understand without dissing them.  

[joshko]

I hate people who are right...

[die-yng]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

Hard to take anyone seriously who whines about the extended cut before he's ever seen it.

And some people wonder why gamers are labeled entitled, BW caves inn to all the whining, extends the ending and gives it to you for free and what is the first reaction people have? whine about itnot being good enough months before anyone has even seen it

You just don't get it.  They have not caved in at all.  I mean, it really is not all that hard to figure out here.

Yes, I think it is hard to take anyone serious who thinks any response by a company is sufficient, as long as they do something.

This is like a chemical factory, wich poisoned the ground somewhere and then promised to plant new grass on it.
It doesn't take away the poison, just like explaining and clarifying doesn't take away what's wrong with it.

Yes, we don't really know what will be in the DLC, but from BW's own statements we can't hope for very much.
Sorry but it is not our fault if they decide to only listen to the part of the fan response they want and ignore everything else.
And it's not our fault that they either don't give any information or just tell us things that further discourages us.

Remember when Joe started to block his ears?
I believe that is what BW is doing whenever they hear people explain why their ending failed.
They block their ears and go: But it's art, we won't change it, because it's art. Art doesn't have to change, we are artists, our ending is great. I can't hear you lalala!

[Vhalkyrie]

WTH is wrong with Bioware that I'm agreeing with someone named Angry Joe?