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[Wolven_Soul]

Lyrandori wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

Errr I wasn't only referring to the ME franchise specifically, nor just about ME3.

I'm saying that EA bought BioWare, and that EA is known to want "their" games (the ones they publish, from the devs they own, you get the point) out too fast. That's what I said. That, is the source of the problems we have, games are rushed. I sincerely believe that ME3 was rushed as well, not enough time spent to work on it and polish it properly as well as ME1 was and DAO or KOTOR were as well (that was back when BioWare was on their own, if I'm not mistaken). You're telling me that Mac and Casey don't work for EA... ok, who are they working for then? If they work "for" or "at" BioWare, and if BioWare (as a whole) works for EA (since EA bought them), then aren't they ultimately working "for" EA? Strangely this reminds me of the debate about Shepard either working "for" or "with" Cerberus back in ME2.

But anyway, I don't like EA's influence on most of the developers they own (which I happen to own many games of, not just BioWare's). Most of the games published by EA in the past couple of years do feel rushed and unpolished, it screams "get it out now!" to my ears and eyes, all about release schedules and fiscal year business crap and shareholders shenanigans.

But I can admit one thing, I watched that video recently: www.youtube.com/watch

It helped cement my thoughts on the subject (specifically) of EA and BioWare. So, I'll just repeat myself, I simply express my honest thoughts, whether "you" (or anyone one else) agree or disagree with me, I can think on my own, thanks. I believe that BioWare should leave EA, plain and simple. Well, maybe not "simple", but plain enough.

I agree so very strongly.  EA is very, very bad for the gaming industry.  I like to think that if Bioware was still on their own, that ME3 would have been everything that we were promised it would be.  But your right, EA loves to rush their games.  What do you expect from a company that puts out new sports games every single year?

[zephyr2025]

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Can we at least wait until we play it before we pass judgement?

So we should wait until it's finished and completely irredeemable? And if it turns out to not be what want like we fear right now, what can we do after that? If Bioware gets it wrong, I want it to because they didn't listen not because I didn't say anything.

HEARHEAR!

Yeah for judgeing things we have no knwoledge of yet. Hooray!!

Cause that type of judgement worked out so well throughout human history.

Why don't you answer my other post instead of (poorly) trying to troll?

Yeah, okay. But just to let you know, if they had decided to scrape the endings, than this would have been joes reaction.

http://angryjoeshow....c-you-bastards/

The lines are drawn here, victory for either side will not erase them. The only way for bioware to ever apease the fans would be to offer the most vocal posters here a position in the writing department to write the endings, that's the only way this stops.

No. It's actually really clear what people want and clarification to an awful ending isn't one of them.

[Wolven_Soul]

spiros9110 wrote...

Wolven_Soul wrote...

xsdob wrote...


I know, because I cannot convince you. The best laid out argument wouldn't sway you or any other of the now radicalized fanbase. You made your choice, bioware is dead to you and they can do no good, I won't bother explaining what cannot have any acceptance with you, it waste the time of everyone here.

With that, I take my leave. Sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.

Everytime I see someone being called out for avoiding an issue, I hear this same exact thing.  They refuse to do so because they can't convince anyone.  Since when do you have to convince anyone of anything to produce an arguement?  Just because I can't agree with you does not mean I cannot respect your point of view if it is given in a polite and intelligent manner.  I have disagreed with more than a few pro enders but I could respect where they were coming from at least.

It's the internet good sir, good luck.  People who go into an argument expecting to win are always going to end up in circles.  There are the rare few who respect other's opinions and understand without dissing them.  

Your right, and I have to admit even I like the thought of winning an arguement.  And I know full well that it exists on both sides of the arguement.  I am not just saying that it is the pro enders that are doing this.  Not at all.

[LinksOcarina]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

Errr I wasn't only referring to the ME franchise specifically, nor just about ME3.

I'm saying that EA bought BioWare, and that EA is known to want "their" games (the ones they publish, from the devs they own, you get the point) out too fast. That's what I said. That, is the source of the problems we have, games are rushed. I sincerely believe that ME3 was rushed as well, not enough time spent to work on it and polish it properly as well as ME1 was and DAO or KOTOR were as well (that was back when BioWare was on their own, if I'm not mistaken). You're telling me that Mac and Casey don't work for EA... ok, who are they working for then? If they work "for" or "at" BioWare, and if BioWare (as a whole) works for EA (since EA bought them), then aren't they ultimately working "for" EA? Strangely this reminds me of the debate about Shepard either working "for" or "with" Cerberus back in ME2.

But anyway, I don't like EA's influence on most of the developers they own (which I happen to own many games of, not just BioWare's). Most of the games published by EA in the past couple of years do feel rushed and unpolished, it screams "get it out now!" to my ears and eyes, all about release schedules and fiscal year business crap and shareholders shenanigans.

But I can admit one thing, I watched that video recently: www.youtube.com/watch

It helped cement my thoughts on the subject (specifically) of EA and BioWare. So, I'll just repeat myself, I simply express my honest thoughts, whether "you" (or anyone one else) agree or disagree with me, I can think on my own, thanks. I believe that BioWare should leave EA, plain and simple. Well, maybe not "simple", but plain enough.

I agree so very strongly.  EA is very, very bad for the gaming industry.  I like to think that if Bioware was still on their own, that ME3 would have been everything that we were promised it would be.  But your right, EA loves to rush their games.  What do you expect from a company that puts out new sports games every single year?

Considering they have a monopoly on the NFL liscence because the NFL GAVE them the exclusive rights to make official NFL games...what you said exactly. The brand literally prints money for itself, so you can't put that up as proof of EA rushing things out.

Nor can you really put up what they did ten years ago, because since then new leadership, new programs with 3rd party developers, and growing infrastructure by buying out or acquiring devs (like BioWare, which was pretty much bankrupt back in 2008 and would have closed eventually anyway) is much different than their attempts ten years ago.

Still not perfect though, but then again Activision, Sony and Capcom are much worse...

[ofish]

 Just watched it and its hilarious.  Maybe Angry Joe can take over Bioware!

[Wolven_Soul]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

Errr I wasn't only referring to the ME franchise specifically, nor just about ME3.

I'm saying that EA bought BioWare, and that EA is known to want "their" games (the ones they publish, from the devs they own, you get the point) out too fast. That's what I said. That, is the source of the problems we have, games are rushed. I sincerely believe that ME3 was rushed as well, not enough time spent to work on it and polish it properly as well as ME1 was and DAO or KOTOR were as well (that was back when BioWare was on their own, if I'm not mistaken). You're telling me that Mac and Casey don't work for EA... ok, who are they working for then? If they work "for" or "at" BioWare, and if BioWare (as a whole) works for EA (since EA bought them), then aren't they ultimately working "for" EA? Strangely this reminds me of the debate about Shepard either working "for" or "with" Cerberus back in ME2.

But anyway, I don't like EA's influence on most of the developers they own (which I happen to own many games of, not just BioWare's). Most of the games published by EA in the past couple of years do feel rushed and unpolished, it screams "get it out now!" to my ears and eyes, all about release schedules and fiscal year business crap and shareholders shenanigans.

But I can admit one thing, I watched that video recently: www.youtube.com/watch

It helped cement my thoughts on the subject (specifically) of EA and BioWare. So, I'll just repeat myself, I simply express my honest thoughts, whether "you" (or anyone one else) agree or disagree with me, I can think on my own, thanks. I believe that BioWare should leave EA, plain and simple. Well, maybe not "simple", but plain enough.

I agree so very strongly.  EA is very, very bad for the gaming industry.  I like to think that if Bioware was still on their own, that ME3 would have been everything that we were promised it would be.  But your right, EA loves to rush their games.  What do you expect from a company that puts out new sports games every single year?

Considering they have a monopoly on the NFL liscence because the NFL GAVE them the exclusive rights to make official NFL games...what you said exactly. The brand literally prints money for itself, so you can't put that up as proof of EA rushing things out.

Nor can you really put up what they did ten years ago, because since then new leadership, new programs with 3rd party developers, and growing infrastructure by buying out or acquiring devs (like BioWare, which was pretty much bankrupt back in 2008 and would have closed eventually anyway) is much different than their attempts ten years ago.

Still not perfect though, but then again Activision, Sony and Capcom are much worse...

I was not putting it up as proof, just saying EA is used to doing things so very fast.  Though I think it is pretty clear that ME3 and DA2 were both rushed, that is all the proof you need for that.

Also, at least Blizzard, who works for Activision, is usually given all the time that they need.  Diablo 3 has been delayed a few times now.

[LinksOcarina]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

BioWare needs to leave EA, it's the source of the problems we have, they (EA) want their games out too fast, it forces devs like BioWare (and many others under their DIRECT CONTROL) to cut corners (I.E. content) and it significantly decreases the final game's quality. I believe in BioWare's true capabilities, not EA. If BioWare could work on their own like Valve... we'd be in for a wild ride.

Casey Hudson and Mac caused this mess.  Neither work for EA.  EA didn't force them to torch the ME franchise.  They did that on their own.  Really wish people would get off EA being the ultimate problem here.  They may have a hand in many crappy things that happen in the gaming industry, but this one is on Casey and Mac, not EA.

Errr I wasn't only referring to the ME franchise specifically, nor just about ME3.

I'm saying that EA bought BioWare, and that EA is known to want "their" games (the ones they publish, from the devs they own, you get the point) out too fast. That's what I said. That, is the source of the problems we have, games are rushed. I sincerely believe that ME3 was rushed as well, not enough time spent to work on it and polish it properly as well as ME1 was and DAO or KOTOR were as well (that was back when BioWare was on their own, if I'm not mistaken). You're telling me that Mac and Casey don't work for EA... ok, who are they working for then? If they work "for" or "at" BioWare, and if BioWare (as a whole) works for EA (since EA bought them), then aren't they ultimately working "for" EA? Strangely this reminds me of the debate about Shepard either working "for" or "with" Cerberus back in ME2.

But anyway, I don't like EA's influence on most of the developers they own (which I happen to own many games of, not just BioWare's). Most of the games published by EA in the past couple of years do feel rushed and unpolished, it screams "get it out now!" to my ears and eyes, all about release schedules and fiscal year business crap and shareholders shenanigans.

But I can admit one thing, I watched that video recently: www.youtube.com/watch

It helped cement my thoughts on the subject (specifically) of EA and BioWare. So, I'll just repeat myself, I simply express my honest thoughts, whether "you" (or anyone one else) agree or disagree with me, I can think on my own, thanks. I believe that BioWare should leave EA, plain and simple. Well, maybe not "simple", but plain enough.

I agree so very strongly.  EA is very, very bad for the gaming industry.  I like to think that if Bioware was still on their own, that ME3 would have been everything that we were promised it would be.  But your right, EA loves to rush their games.  What do you expect from a company that puts out new sports games every single year?

Considering they have a monopoly on the NFL liscence because the NFL GAVE them the exclusive rights to make official NFL games...what you said exactly. The brand literally prints money for itself, so you can't put that up as proof of EA rushing things out.

Nor can you really put up what they did ten years ago, because since then new leadership, new programs with 3rd party developers, and growing infrastructure by buying out or acquiring devs (like BioWare, which was pretty much bankrupt back in 2008 and would have closed eventually anyway) is much different than their attempts ten years ago.

Still not perfect though, but then again Activision, Sony and Capcom are much worse...

I was not putting it up as proof, just saying EA is used to doing things so very fast.  Though I think it is pretty clear that ME3 and DA2 were both rushed, that is all the proof you need for that.

Also, at least Blizzard, who works for Activision, is usually given all the time that they need.  Diablo 3 has been delayed a few times now.

Diablo III is also going to fail miserably. When one of your creative directors tells the media not to have their expectations up, thats a bad sign.

Plus the real money auction house thing is a sticking point...as is the aged combat...but I digress.

Dragon Age II was rushed, I agree. Still a good game though. Mass Effect 3...i'm not so sure about that one. Production started on that game before Mass Effect 2 was released, so at the absolute latest,  production began in 2009. This also means pre-production was a tad earlier, so some designs were already carried over from 2-3 I suspect, and the first drafts of thr script were finalized in 2009. So they had a close to 30 months of development to work on the title, had a seperate team work on multiplayer which has been confirmed, spent the weeks during the certification process working on the From Ashes DLC, and delivered the game as they planned it.

So I don't buy the game was rushed in this case. Dragon Age II had, at best, 18-20 months development time, and also revamped their engine at the same time to make the sequel. And on average, most games don't take 5-6 years to make, which is a kiss of death unless if it's in the hands of competant dev teams, like over in Nintendo. On average, a game takes 2-3 years to make. Hell, Mass Effect 1 started in 2005 and had a shorter dev time than 3. 

So on a whole though, that is not really an excuse here either.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 07 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[yuncas]

I think the clip with Seinfeld will be the highlight of my weekend.

[Rafe34]

Lol. Joe is spot on.

I am disappoint, Bioware.

[JaylaClark]

LinksOcarina wrote...

 Posted this in another thread regarding Joe...

The problem with Joe is he likes to cater en-masse most of the time, meaning he does "research" on what people think is funny, and brings it to a comical level of cartoonish bravado that, i'll be perfectly honest, I never liked.

But I said too much already since I worked with him before. Basic point is, it's entertainment and hits mostly the reason why hes doing this, and it is somewhat upsetting to me that he is continuing too.

Thing is, with the entire Channel Awesome crew, that's their primary focus:

Lindsay "Nostalgia Chick" Ellis: "I don't get paid to LIKE s***, I get paid to b**** about s***!"

They basically take it from That Guy With The Glasses and their friendly 'rival' the Angry Video Game Nerd. (At one point, you may recall, James Rolfe actually dismissed the AVGN -- obviously in a split-screen shot -- on the basis that the game he was reviewing was actually good and thus AVGN wasn't needed for the review.) See also Doug Walker's assertion that the worst movie he's ever reviewed is Garbage Pail Kids despite him going more hyperbolic in his rage over several other movies, such as Battlefield Earth and Batman and Robin.

So basically, the question is ... are we really seeing Joe Vargas' opinion, or are we seeing Angry Joe The Character's opinion? It's not always easy to tell. Though the fact that he's telling it like we mostly feel it is, is saying something to us.

[CosmicWonderer]

Just like the Bioware panel at PAX East, this DLC will probably not answer many of the existing plot holes and questions but creates more.

Brilliant video and nicely done, Angry Joe.

Modifié par CosmicWonderer, 07 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[jds1bio]

Just playing that video in the background is making a statement.

[ZerebusPrime]

I don't know how this will all work out, but I have definitely learned something from all this chaos:

Mainstream launch reviews are crud. Small time reviewers who can actually spend time with their games are the last bastions of the truth.

[Redban103]

man, angry joe has saved me from buying a lot of games in the past (ex. Capcom). Even if ranting isn't your thing he tells things like they are. Hell the vote with your wallet thing is something he's been encouraging for a long time even though he didn't slap a title on it.

[DiegoRaphael]

Exactly my reaction as i read the press release...

[Byronic-Knight]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Hero.

+1

Joe took the words right out of my mouth. 

Modifié par Byronic-Knight, 07 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Byronic-Knight]

Wolfen919 wrote...

I think what most people hate about the ending are these key points:

1) Shepard is told Ghostchild's choices, and yet there simply isn't a "No" option.

2) Space Magic destroying Mass Relays... not good due to codex entry + Arrival DLC. Best decision is to remove that bit of cutscene; easy fix.

3) Remove joker cutscene; remake it in a way that it fits Joker's personality and explains how crew made it back to ship.

I believe that sums it up right there. That right there = happy fan base with very little changes.

Yes, actually.

All I want is the OPTION to (essentially) tell the Catalyst to screw himself, leaving my forces to either destroy the Reapers or go down fighting. 

[Jenonax]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I don't know how this will all work out, but I have definitely learned something from all this chaos:

Mainstream launch reviews are crud. Small time reviewers who can actually spend time with their games are the last bastions of the truth.

Could not agree more.  The likes of IGN and Destructoid have sunk so low its hard to imagine how they'll ever climb back up again.

[DarkShadow]

Well, AngryJoe is now my prefered game reviewer. In contrast to all these big sites, he at least reviews a game without being biased, and he clearly knows what he's talking about.

[pablosplinter]

Great vid. Completely agree with him.

cotheer wrote...

Phew, he got me for a moment with that victory thing.

Nah

[MOELANDER]

Thanks Joe! I now decided to join the Angry Joe Army!

[pjotroos]

Now, this is the attitude I understand. Acknowledge the small victory, call them out on their BS, keep hammering home what the real issues are.

[miczall]

I agree with Joe. Extended Cuts a huge let down for me. "We are listening" - but you are not making a dialogue.

[sorentoft]

And Joe said it.

[Pulletlamer]

I completely agree with him. Couldn't have put it better myself.

I am pretty sceptical about anything Bioware says at this point.