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[SuperVulcan]

No, peace should be made because the Geth become allies and help during the endgame.

[Aaleel]

I saved both, but if I had to chose the Quarians were toast. As soon as they informed me that they fired the first shot of the war AGAIN. They were going to have to take their comeuppance.

[Rip504]

dafangirl wrote...
By doing this you allow them to "choose" for themselves. Their choice is to become your ally.

Shepard doesn't betray that alliance, the Catalyst does.

Nope it is your Shepard's "choice" to pick destroy and betray the Geth.

[jules_vern18]

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Yeah.  And people get mad when you try to deny them their freedom.

[JesseLee202]

OP makes very good points... and I agree completely.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

SuperVulcan wrote...

No, peace should be made because the Geth become allies and help during the endgame.

That was addressed in the OP; the geth's War Assets aren't necessary at all to getting the "Shepard breathes" ending, so their contribution really doesn't matter in the end.

Also, I get the sad feeling that some of the other people in this thread didn't bother reading the OP at all.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 07 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[JesseLee202]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

No, peace should be made because the Geth become allies and help during the endgame.

That was addressed in the OP; the geth's War Assets aren't necessary at all to getting the "Shepard breathes" ending.

Also, I get the sad feeling that some of the people in this thread didn't bother reading the OP at all.

If I recall correctly, they only add a couple hundred war assets... Not all that much. I can get triple that with my N7 teams.

[SuperVulcan]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

No, peace should be made because the Geth become allies and help during the endgame.

That was addressed in the OP; the geth's War Assets aren't necessary at all to getting the "Shepard breathes" ending.

I'm sorry. But it also goes against the Catalysts logic. It proves that synthetics and organics can coexist. Also, this may or may not happen, but the extended cut could possibly spare the Geth and EDI if your EMS is high enough. Its not likely, but still.

[Dridengx]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Yeah.  And people get mad when you try to deny them their freedom.

People deserve their freedom yes. Machines demanding freedom? this is where the problem is, fear begins, war begins. This is the type of stuff Luz was explaining before everyone called him crazy and a troll.

[justafan]

That's actually a pretty convincing argument. I will still choose peace only because I like to play from the perspective of Shepard, but I totally agree the geth death is far more meaningful, poetic, and fitting when they die fighting over Rannoch then what happens in the destroy ending (at least until the extended cut arrives).

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Sparatus wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Also, I get the sad feeling that some of the other people in this thread didn't bother reading the OP at all.

People rarely read the OP, or at least the whole thing. Just the title, and then magic happens, baby.

That reminds me of your "Liara is a writer's pet" thread. I should have remembered this; now added on to the title accordingly.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 07 avril 2012 - 03:18 .

[killnoob]

"I am sorry Legion, i don't want to to wipe out the Geths in the last 10 minutes of ME3 for no obvious reason, therefore it is better if i wipe out the entire Geths right now, and I really want to have a lot of blue babies with Liara, Keelah se'lai "

make sense, right?

Modifié par killnoob, 07 avril 2012 - 03:20 .

[Ashilana]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

4. Your decision is properly recognized in-game. I

I am Commander Shephard, and this is the most depressing thread on the forums.

[WilliamDracul88]

http://social.biowar.../index/11121681

Edited because I made a new thread about it.

Modifié par WilliamDracul88, 07 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Shallyah wrote...

I agree.

The Geth aren't true sentient beings before the code is uploaded, so by then it's not morally incorrect to kill them. Or it's as morally incorrect as smashing your smarthphone against a rock.

I'd love the Geth to survive, but if it can't be, it's best that their destruction at least means something and proves the point that the creators can actually destroy the created that rebel against them. It will give some food for thought to the godchild and his doomfilled ideas.

There is one thing, though. I don't know if the Red ending destroys the Geth as a whole, or only their synthetic "units". As far as I understand, the Geth are much like software, if they get destroyed by the red ending then you should expect all computers in the galaxy to get automatically formatted and all your DVDs become blank?

The geth are sentient as a collective. So that means they are aware and capable of creative and independent thought as a whole. Uploading the code makes them sentient individuals. The difference is, as Legion would call it, perspective.

Their destruction at the time of the upload or during the end, does make a difference. At the time of the upload the end is supposed to be unknown. I can't help that BW screwed that one up. The idea to destroy them sooner than later seems to be fueled by the Frankenstein complex. One wouldn't do that to any other sentient race.

Like you, I have no idea how the geth are to be destroyed in the end. I dislike the term, but I guess space magic is involved here.

[SuperVulcan]

It's not the right thing to do. Shepard kills an ally and prevents his race from achieving the only thing they ever wanted: true intelligence. The way I see it, you may be in grief over the ending and the fact that your actions are not referenced in the end. I don't mean to provoke you, just a theory.

[PowerExtreme]

geth deserve to die free

the reaper code made them self aware, legion choose the path because he saw what it did for him.

my first playthrough i killed the quarians without a thought because honestly the geth could have wiped them out in the first war 300 years ago but they let them live, this was their death they chose it.

Modifié par PowerExtreme, 07 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[Joccaren]

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Remind me, what happens to the Geth if the code isn't uploaded?
Oh yeah, the Quarian's wipe them out...

[tractrpl]

Aaleel wrote...

I saved both, but if I had to chose the Quarians were toast. As soon as they informed me that they fired the first shot of the war AGAIN. They were going to have to take their comeuppance.

Indeed. I liked Han Garrel in ME2, but after that sh*& he pulled in ME3, I wanted to bash his faceshield open against the war room strategy table, and then dump sewage waste into his suit and hope he died a slow death, and I'm an effing paragon charachter. I wanted to do something similar to the asari councilor. The asari could have stopped the Reapers years before if they didn't keep that Prothean VI a secret.

[Tietj]

I always betray the Krogan and side with the Dalatrass (easier to do if Wrex and Eve are both dead) but I'm more ambivalent about the Geth and the quarians. Partially because I'm not a huge fan of either one of them. It's sad if Tali dies, but it's worth it to me to hear Mark Meer nail the line "They made their choice."

In real life, I suppose I would pick the quarians if I had to choose, but begrudgingly. If the Reapers weren't a threat then the quarians and the Geth could tear each other apart for all I care.

[NoUserNameHere]

Making peace then killing them anyway could cause the Quarians as a whole to learn their lession, so to speak. This'll make them behave differently with the next group of synthetics that comes along, hopefully preventing another AI Rebellion and/or Reapers 2.0.

[Hudathan]

I don't like retroactive decision-making in this series. I consider the first play through to be the most important and I think the series is built that way, especially the final game. It made the Destroy option that much more complicated for me.

[Holoe4]

crap, this got me thinking. You shouldn't encourage EDI's and Joker's relationship either...

Because Joker would be emotionally devastated and would go crazy, going all Jacob's dad on the crew

[soulprovider]

 Actually what always interested me is that the destroy ending suggest that you destroy all synthetics and anyone that uses synthetic parts but the reapers are 50/50 so if the reapers are half organic and half machine then how is it that the deam killed only them and all machines. basically the destroy ending sends everyone back to the stone ages since technology was destroyed, and since the reapers are half organic and the beam affected them why did it not kill everyone. so bioware whats your answer.......space magic.......... but I............wow