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[Slash1667]

I disabled the VI on Luna, rewrote the heretics in ME2 and made peace with between the Geth and Quarians in ME3 on my first import. After I saw the destroy ending (then checked out the other 2) I start a new character in ME1. Ignored the VI, destroyed the Heretics and let the Quarians do my "dirty work" for me. In the end the only collateral damage was myself (technically EDI but I completely ignored her in that run through)

[SerraAdvocate]

I disagree with the OP. If for no other reason than the brief moments that the Geth and Quarians are getting along, where the Geth are pushing forward Quarian reintegration at a pace that would be literally impossible without their aid, serve to teach the galaxy once and for all, without any doubts, that Synthetic life is not automatically a negative impact on the galaxy. Love, between Joker and EDI, serves to teach that coexistance is possible after all. That the Catalyst was wrong and was always wrong and will always be wrong.

Next time it arises, then, and it will (that's about the only thing the Catalyst said that is absolutely true), it will do so without Organics assuming that Synthetic life is automatically a threat to their own survival, just by existing. And maybe the galaxy would have a better chance for peace.

Modifié par Helm505, 07 avril 2012 - 03:39 .

[TheMerchantMan]

Sal86 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Right, because organics have never been known to kill for freedom....

And we must remember that without the code the geth were going to be destroyed. Indeed, it is much more a matter of life and death than with Wrex.

The Krogan were still capable of maintaining their population, assuming they were united. Unless the code was implanted then and there the Geth are forever destroyed. Legion was defending his race.

There freedom certainly was a part of it, and in all likelihood that's what led Legion to his decision, it might have been a moral quandry for him if his race were not in immediate jeopardy. But no time for deeper consensus could be sought, it was upload the code or die.


Is this what the game has reduced it to, that I should commit genocide as a mercy? Ugh, this is why it leaves such a sick feeling in my mouth to play the game to the end.

[stcalvin13]

Gotta disagree with 6, I'd rather they get a little bit of true intelligence before death. They deserve that much. Of course they all deserve not to killed by starchild's dilemma but--hey look it's artistic integrity doing things make no sense at curiously opportune times!

[killnoob]

" I should kill you now in order to prevent me from killing you later"

is it just me or this kind of logic is a bit like the Catalyst's Logic?

Modifié par killnoob, 07 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[tractrpl]

killnoob wrote...

" I should kill you now in order for me to prevent from killing you later"

is it just me or this kind of logic is a bit like the Catalyst's Logic?

Exactly

[Tom Lehrer]

I don't understand why the Geth would be killed in the destroy endding. They have Reaper code not hardware. Unless the red beam scans every computer in the galaxy how can it tell one that has Reaper software apart from a computer that does not?

The same goes for EDI. She has cyber attacks based off Reaper code so it is not even a direct copy like what the Geth have.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 07 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[Rafe34]

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Wow.

You act like someone who is willing to kill someone else because they want to keep their race as slaves is a BAD THING.

The synthetics ALWAYS killing organics is a ****ing idiotic plot line and everyone who has played Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 knows it.

@OP: You are so right. It's why the ending works better for my Renegade Shepard than my Paragon one. Not that she's ever going to get there now. 

Modifié par Rafe34, 07 avril 2012 - 04:13 .

[Dendio1]

does star kid still say u can destroy the geth if you already destroyed the geth?

[LunaticLMD]

killnoob wrote...

" I should kill you now in order for me to prevent from killing you later"

is it just me or this kind of logic is a bit like the Catalyst's Logic?

ROFL.

[Oninagwa]

dafangirl wrote...

As for the "blue" ending people here, in my opinion the destroy ending is better for the Geth because until the "bitter" end, they had free will. It was their choice. By picking the "blue" ending you have completely removed their free will choosing instead to control them, thereby, nullifying their independence altogether.

I agree.

I am on my fourth playthru - soon to be fifth -, and I still bring peace between the Geth and Quarians.  I still choose the red ending from my first playthru.

Better the Geth have a small portion of true freedom, then none at all.  To deny them this would be an injustice.

Note about EDI.  On the mission to take out the Geth jamming tower on Rannoch, She becomes disconnected from the Normandy.  There is a possiblity she could survive.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

killnoob wrote...

" I should kill you now in order for me to prevent from killing you later"

is it just me or this kind of logic is a bit like the Catalyst's Logic?

Well, that's not how you roleplay it as. It's certainly not what Shepard says if you pick that option.

[Rafe34]

D58 wrote...

For me it doesnt matter how intelligent they are still robots and always will be so it wasnt a hard choice,the game trys to guilt trip you into saving them only to make you lose tali,but as much as they did and tryed to make them seem like people they are not

Lol. Yes they are.

After Legion uploads the code, anyone who actually read what we were told would understand they are now sentient beings. Just because they have metal skin doesn't make them any less of a person than someone with organic skin.

[aksoileau]

Having the geth die on rannoch before you complete the game because you know what happens with destroy is terrible meta-gaming tbh. Just let them live for a bit lol.

[Bill Casey]

6. It's morally right. Either way, the destruction of the geth is not a positive thing; however, if it must be done, it's better to do so before they receive upgrades from the Reaper code and attain true intelligence. Wiping out a race is never a good thing, but better it be done when they are at a lower state. The geth deserve to live more after they all gain intelligence, and thus if they are to die it should be done before this occurs.

It's far less moral to kill them on Rannoch...
At the ending, you have no alternative, unless you like agreeing with indoctrinated people. On Rannoch, you can make peace...

It's the difference between Shepard killing 300,000 Batarians to slow the Reapers down and killing 300,000 Batarians just 'cuz...

I sure as hell didn't limp across the galaxy to start listening to Saren, The Illusive Man, and that kid I saw die who now has my voice while I'm in outer space in my underwear...

Destroy the Reapers all day...

Besides, EDI can walk out of the Normandy in the Destroy option...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

aksoileau wrote...

Having the geth die on rannoch before you complete the game because you know what happens with destroy is terrible meta-gaming tbh. Just let them live for a bit lol.

If it weren't for metagaming, I'd never do any ME1 sidequests and stick to the main plot because we were in a "race against time". Metagaming isn't really a bad thing.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Bill Casey wrote...

6. It's morally right. Either way, the destruction of the geth is not a positive thing; however, if it must be done, it's better to do so before they receive upgrades from the Reaper code and attain true intelligence. Wiping out a race is never a good thing, but better it be done when they are at a lower state. The geth deserve to live more after they all gain intelligence, and thus if they are to die it should be done before this occurs.

It's far less moral to kill them on Rannoch...
At the ending, you have no alternative, unless you like agreeing with indoctrinated people. On Rannoch, you can make peace...

In this situation, you would RP that Shepard doesn't think peace is possible, and guiltily lets the geth die because he/she thinks it's the only way to save the quarians.

[babies8mydingo]

Sparatus wrote...

Ironically, the geth probably wouldn't have died in the destroy ending if they hadn't let fear compromise who they were. Since, you know, the destroy magic only targets Reaper tech.

And the Normandy, and EDi and sometimes Shepard, none of which are Reaper tech.

[Rafe34]

The Angry One wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Yeah cause, you know, they're not sitting ducks about to die from Quarian fire without the upgrade or anything.
Selective memory much?

More like- a selective failure of taking things to their logical conclusion. This IS Driden. Have you seen most of the posts he makes?

Modifié par Rafe34, 07 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Bill Casey]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

In this situation, you would RP that Shepard doesn't think peace is possible, and guiltily lets the geth die because he/she thinks it's the only way to save the quarians.

I would choose the Geth over the Quarians in that situation...
But if that kid told me the Destroy option would destroy the reapers but kill all humans, I would still pick it...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[Rafe34]

Dridengx wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Yeah.  And people get mad when you try to deny them their freedom.

People deserve their freedom yes. Machines demanding freedom? this is where the problem is, fear begins, war begins. This is the type of stuff Luz was explaining before everyone called him crazy and a troll.

I get it now. You didn't actually play ME2 or ME3.

The Geth ARE NOT JUST MACHINES.  Just wow.

Modifié par Rafe34, 07 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Rafe34]

Sparatus wrote...

babies8mydingo wrote...

And the Normandy, and EDi and sometimes Shepard, none of which are Reaper tech.

EDI is Reaper Tech. She was made from the left over parts of Sovereign.

I thought she was made from the VI on Luna?

[Sweawm]

I doubt the Destroy ending kills the Geth. The Catalyst also claimed that it would kill Shepard but how did that turn out?
The Catalyst lies... like a lot.