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[KingDan97]

You're making a relatively baseless assumption by guessing that the epilogue scenes won't acknowledge the Geth. But ya know, why get all the facts first right?

[SuperVulcan]

Rafe34 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

babies8mydingo wrote...

And the Normandy, and EDi and sometimes Shepard, none of which are Reaper tech.

EDI is Reaper Tech. She was made from the left over parts of Sovereign.

I thought she was made from the VI on Luna?

She's the VI/AI from Luna combined with parts of Sovereign's remains, no?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I just thought of another example from ME to prove my point: Patriarch. He wishes he could have been killed by Aria when she defeated him, as that would have been a glorious death, and is unhappy that he is forced to have a far less suitable demise. In the end, Shepard can let him have the death he deserves, as Patriarch goes out fighting.

Red space magic is not the death the geth deserve.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 07 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Militarized]

Dridengx wrote...

Legion doesn't die for their right to survive, he dies for their right to be fully AI.

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Once again, you're wrong. 

The code will allow his race to survive the Quarian onslaught, he is simply attempting to protect his people just like Tali and Wrex. 

It is no different, attempting it to skew it in Biowares crap ending doesn't work. 

[Rafe34]

Sparatus wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

I thought she was made from the VI on Luna?

It's both.

The VI was merged with bits and pieces of Sovereign to create EDI.

Ah, I must've missed that part about Sovereign's remains.

[garf]

Dridengx wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Legion sure gets mad if you don't allow him to upload the reaper code, he even tries to kill you over it. interesting huh? once organics stand in their way, they would even kill their loyal friends.

Well, Wrex ultimately does the same thing if you don't help his race.

The difference is Wrex is fighting to save the extinction of his race. legion is fighting for freedom

Freedom is a worthy cause. your point?

[Cuddlezarro]

considering Edi(she got off the normandy with joker) and Shepard survived my destruction ending when they shouldent have... what makes you think the star brat was telling the truth about the geth?

[lordnyx1]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

considering Edi(she got off the normandy with joker) and Shepard survived my destruction ending when they shouldent have... what makes you think the star brat was telling the truth about the geth?

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainsNeverLie

Expect of course sometimes they do...
Another way to recon it is that the Grandfather had made up Star Jar at the last minute and it was one of those details that had been lost to time and the Shepard kicked the Reaper's bums the hard way...

Modifié par lordnyx1, 07 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[Cuddlezarro]

lordnyx1 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

considering Edi(she got off the normandy with joker) and Shepard survived my destruction ending when they shouldent have... what makes you think the star brat was telling the truth about the geth?

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainsNeverLie

Expect of course sometimes they do...
Another way to recon it is that the Grandfather had made up Star Jar at the last minute and it was one of those details that had been lost to time and the Shepard kicked the Reaper's bums the hard way...

must resist clicking link on endless timesink

but yeah didnt trust star brat at all and lo and behold edi and shepard survived

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 07 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I think it's safe to say that since Bioware originally intended what we have now to be the definitive ending with nothing added to it, they meant Starchild to be telling the truth; otherwise, they would have provided evidence otherwise with the current ending. I would assume the EDI surviving thing is a bug.

They could make it so that the geth survive destroy in the Extended Cut, however, but I have low hopes for this.

[Wabajakka]

Without Legion the Geth were an easy sacrifice. They just turned into those guys who turned on me TWICE without a real reason to keep em around (Legion)

EDI survives destroy if she's in your squad too so... ya destroy ftw?

[Vexille]

I let Legion die heroically on the suicide mission on my second playthrough, so I had no issue killing the VI legion who didnt know me and siding with the geth, this made the Destroy option not just the least bad of 3 choices, but a logical choice.

aaaaaaand I hated sex bot EDI and made sure she and joker didnt hook up soooo, I had no issues sacrificing EDI to save trillions

[The Divine Avenger]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

The Divine Avenger wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Good thing my favorite color is Blue

lol but blue violates Shepards basic character as does Green see my rant here

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11090932

there is no excuse all 3 endings are broken period we don't need them "clarified" we need them "rectified"

I didn't say I liked the ending. I believe my Shepard made the right choice by choosing the blue magical explosion though, if anything red would of destroyed his character. Genocide just isn't in him, destroying so many Batarian lives was one thing. Whiping out the Geth is a whole 'nother thing.

The sentence I've made bold was targeted at Bioware not you, my bad should of made that a bit more clear.

The so called paragon option is a lie though, paragon Shepared values freedom above all so for the control to be the paragon option is in oposition toShepards basic ccharater & it needs to be rectfied

Modifié par The Divine Avenger, 07 avril 2012 - 05:26 .

[Tramain1987]

**** the Geth. Never trusted Legion. Life is valued more than machine.

[The Divine Avenger]

soulprovider wrote...

 Actually what always interested me is that the destroy ending suggest that you destroy all synthetics and anyone that uses synthetic parts but the reapers are 50/50 so if the reapers are half organic and half machine then how is it that the deam killed only them and all machines. basically the destroy ending sends everyone back to the stone ages since technology was destroyed, and since the reapers are half organic and the beam affected them why did it not kill everyone. so bioware whats your answer.......space magic.......... but I............wow

lol very well said check out my rant on the endings & why starchild has no place in are game, with your way of thinking it would be a welcome sight to see what youhave to add to my rant over the ending.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11090932/1

[chessplayer209]

Luc0s wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

I was more annoyed at Legion's jarring character change

Shepard-Commander, we reject the old machine's gifts. We will make our own future

Mass Effect 3

Shepard-Commander, WE WANT TO USE REAPER CODE! NOW!

Indeed. This is a good example at the ******-poor writing of Mass Effect 3 in general. People b*tch and moan about the endings, but the entire ME3 plot was mediocre to say the least. BioWare truly dissapointed me. First DA2 and now ME3... I think BioWare lost their touch and I think it's partly/mostly EA's fault.

But really wasn't the point of Legion saying that essentially that he wanted the Geth to be independent and control their own future, rather than becoming servants of the Reapers in exchange for their technology?

Legion doesn't have any problem with using Reaper technology - the whole reason he was on the derelict Reaper in the first place in ME2 was so that he could learn about the Reaper's technology and use it or some variant of it to fight the Reapers.

If he's against Geth benefiting from Reaper technology, then his explanation for being on the derelict Reaper (looking for Reaper technology to learn about to benefit Geth and fight Reapers), makes no sense.

I think based on this it makes much more sense to think that Legion only rejected the Reaper technology offers from the Reapers because he knew their offers came with strings attached (i.e. that Legion's Geth surrender their independence and free will to the Reapers and become their servants in exchange for the Reapers' technology gifts).

This sounds like a very reasonable view, because it indicates Legion  would use Reaper technology when it benefits him, but also understands that the Reapers don't work on behalf of Geth interests, and that the Geth won't be getting anything from the Reapers that is truly "free." That would seem to be a wise viewpoint.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[chessplayer209]

Vexille wrote...

I let Legion die heroically on the suicide mission on my second playthrough, so I had no issue killing the VI legion who didnt know me and siding with the geth, this made the Destroy option not just the least bad of 3 choices, but a logical choice.

aaaaaaand I hated sex bot EDI and made sure she and joker didnt hook up soooo, I had no issues sacrificing EDI to save trillions

Control ending saves those trillions equally effectively - and doesn't requiring sacrificing EDI or Geth allies. Shepard doesn't exactly die either - in a sense he becomes immortal and lives on forever within the Reapers as he controls them.

I went with Control and I'm quite satisfied. Shepard lives on forever within the Reapers, and can control them to prevent them from ever harming those he cares about. No sacrifices (organic or synthetic) required, and Shepard becomes immortalized in the process. In retrospect, I can't think of a better deal.

[Astartes Marine]

Were I to kill the Geth, it would be because they have become an abomination to their superior ME2 incarnation, especially Legion.  Build your own future rather than have it given to you?  Oh unless it can make you a real boy...

I would look at it as a mercy killing, just like killing the ALIEN franchise after Resurrection would have been a mercy killing.

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:36 .

[KaiserShep]

I try not to acknowledge the Alien movies after the second one. I see destroying the Geth on Rannoch because of my strict choice of destroying the reapers to be a metagaming matter that I just don't bother to go with. I don't believe in killing the geth, but I do believe in killing the reapers. It just so happens that there's an unfortunate state of conflict, and the latter outweighs the former..

Modifié par KaiserShep, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[in it for the lolz]

Because they are just tin cans and the galaxy would be better off without them. (Just like those Blue Xenos scum, but there was no choice to kill them off however).

[Br3admax]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Were I to kill the Geth, it would be because they have become an abomination to their superior ME2 incarnation, especially Legion.  Build your own future rather than have it given to you?  Oh unless it can make you a real boy...

I would look at it as a mercy killing, just like killing the ALIEN franchise after Resurrection would have been a mercy killing.

You know that Prometheus is your favorite movie. 

Anyway, I agree with all of this. QFT. 

[KaiserShep]

The Imperium of Man has made you harsh indeed.

[in it for the lolz]

KaiserShep wrote...

The Imperium of Man has made you harsh indeed.

The Imperium of Man has made me strong. And when our armies march into your galaxy, your Xenos masters shall know fear!

[Astartes Marine]

KaiserShep wrote...
I try not to acknowledge the Alien movies after the second one.

The third one is "passable" with the Director's Cut but only barely.  Still never explained how the egg got onto the Sulaco, I've always figured Bishop brought it up since it is a Weyland-Yutani android after all and it did leave the atmo processor for unknown reasons and came back late for the pickup...what was it up to in that timeframe? 

Br3ad wrote...
You know that Prometheus is your favorite movie.

Them's fightin' words mister. 

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:58 .