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[Transgirlgamer]

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

On other forums a lot of people seem to appreciate the ending. There is something about BW Social Forum and how extremely pessimistic and hateful we are.
I remember at the release of DA2. I personally love the game, and when I tried to say so I got hate replays by so many of the forum menbers. The same happens here. There might actually be a very high presentage of the fans here who like the ending, but everytime they do, the obnaxious rest shoots it down.

That being said... Im not happy with any of this. Im still waiting to judge the extended ending when I actually play it.

I quite like DA2 as well.  I don't think it's as good as DA:O, but it fits the world and I'm tentatively looking forwards to what they come up with for DA3.

Personally, here in the forums, as everywhere, I try to be a voice for calmness and civility whilst also trying to get my voice across.  Of course I often get the feeling that even the other people here ignore what I have to say, unless they decide to attack it head on.  I have never got the impression that anyone at Bioware is even aware of what I wrote, never mind has an opinion on it.  Maybe because I'm a minority within a minority.

My biggest problems with the forums is the number of people who state their opinion, with nothing really to back it up and don't offer constructive ideas as to how it could have been better for them.  Or, when someone gives them a reasoned argument, just basically say, 'you're wrong and I'm right.'  I've seen that on every side of every discussion here, I'm not taking sides saying that one side is better than the other.

Saying the same thing over and over again is not refuting an argument. 

No-one who's a regular poster in here really knows the answers to the questions that are around regarding the stories of the games, we're not the writers and we don't represent the writers.  All that everyone has is speculation.  Quit using that as an argument against people whilst not admitting that your opinion is speculation as well.

[Transgirlgamer]

DJBare wrote...

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

No we are not representative, but we are significant

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

[sergio71785]

It's like a chef saying he didn't know he should've made all of his food taste good because he didn't know that the customer would want it all to taste good. 

[sergeym1990]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

No we are not representative, but we are significant

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Most of the people do not visit forums. Does not mean they are all happy. 

[Transgirlgamer]

sergeym1990 wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

No we are not representative, but we are significant

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Most of the people do not visit forums. Does not mean they are all happy. 

I know that.  I got the impression that Friera was saying that those 61,000 people were a significant number.  If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sorry that I misunderstood.

[ardias89]

Em wait care to explain what you just said???? You mean they said that they have made another ending but didnt release it because they thought we didnt want it????

[Huyna]

I just can not stop laughing (i will, eventually).
Sure, how could they knew about this? It's just been seven years of development, hours of playing, save transfers and high hopes.
During your way to greatness, you lost something Bioware. Care to find it again?

Modifié par Huyna, 07 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[Erethrian]

Hahaha, it's funny because I'm thinking they had something like a post-ending DLC already planned, but after all the hate and rage, they've had to say this. So the FTC complaints can't be won. I mean, you can't say the game isn't completed because they're saying things like this.

PR talk...

IT supporter here, waiting for summer's "Extended Cut".

[Friera]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

sergeym1990 wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

No we are not representative, but we are significant

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Most of the people do not visit forums. Does not mean they are all happy. 

I know that.  I got the impression that Friera was saying that those 61,000 people were a significant number.  If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sorry that I misunderstood.

It was DJBare who says they are significant.

[sergeym1990]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

sergeym1990 wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

No we are not representative, but we are significant

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Most of the people do not visit forums. Does not mean they are all happy. 

I know that.  I got the impression that Friera was saying that those 61,000 people were a significant number.  If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sorry that I misunderstood.

Well, absolute numbers are meaningless here, but i think it does show that a lot of people dislike ending. I think real number of people is much bigger, but it's impossible to estimate it accurately. 

[Evil_medved]

facepalm

[Xenite]

Well from the large sample size of the population that visits the community site, the overwhelming opinion is the ending both sucks and blows.

Bioware, internally knows how many people are playing and completing the games and playing it again to multiple completions. Except I can say without a doubt we will NEVER see those numbers here.

[SiriusXI]

cutegigi wrote...

nah... they are right.
not EVERYBODY want a "better" ending.
there are quite a number of vocal majority that liked the ending.

yeah... right...

[res27772]

Zuka999 wrote...

It makes very little sense.

Yeah, now we know why the ending is the way it is.

[Zerox Z21]

61,000 is enough to gauge the overall reaction on. No one surveys the entire country, you survey a sample of a few thousand because that's enough people to be an average representation e.g. if you multiply the responses to match the actual population it will be quite accurate.

61,000 is easily enough to be representative of the overall population. That's Facebook users alone who've actually noticed. Not everyone uses Facebook, and not every Facebook member who played ME3, opinion or not, will have liked that.

[DarkShadow]

*eats popcorn*

Just read my signature...

[KLGChaos]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Not sure how significant we are, but I also know we're not alone. Not everyone who hates the ending visits the forums. At least three people I know at work really hated it and they don't come here.

As for the statement, I think my head just exploded. Into three colors.

[MOELANDER]

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day.
...
No... Actually that's the dumbest thing I read all week.

Seriously? You actually thought we wouldn't like some closure what happens to our character?

I'm losing it with this company. First they try to make me dumber by putting the starchild into the ending, then they start saying the darndest things...

[Transgirlgamer]

Friera wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

sergeym1990 wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Friera wrote...

They might not feel remorse at all, or believe what they made was awesome, hence the comment...
And how large are we of this forum of the fanbase? 2%? We are probably not reperenstative with the fans in the whole world?

No we are not representative, but we are significant

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Most of the people do not visit forums. Does not mean they are all happy. 

I know that.  I got the impression that Friera was saying that those 61,000 people were a significant number.  If I'm wrong about that, then I'm sorry that I misunderstood.

It was DJBare who says they are significant.

You're right, my apologies.

[Darth Math 88]

Case in point: I never voted in the poll in question (I don't typically visit these forums) and I very much disliked the ending. I know several other people who don't visit forums and feel the same as I do about the ending.

Granted, I know that's just a small number of people, but you can be damn sure that there are plenty more like us out there

Modifié par Darth Math 88, 07 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[VarrenSoldier]

Covering yourselves with a excuse that possibly even a second grader could see through, what a excellent idea.
'Cause seriously, months back, they were aware that we wanted a logical ending bundled with a happy one. And now they use a excuse saying that they weren't aware.

[Transgirlgamer]

KLGChaos wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

Just under 61,000 people is significant?  Across the entire world?  Even when compared to the just the number of people that bought ME3 I'm not sure that counts as significant.

Not sure how significant we are, but I also know we're not alone. Not everyone who hates the ending visits the forums. At least three people I know at work really hated it and they don't come here.

As for the statement, I think my head just exploded. Into three colors.

Not everyone who likes the endings visits the forums.  In fact most likely, a larger percentage of the people who don't like them come to the forums, to have their voice heard.  People in general are more likely to complain than give praise.  It's just the way the world works.

That said, I don't like the endings, they don't fit the story in my opinion.  I'm just trying to be fair and balanced.

Modifié par Transgirlgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[DarkShadow]

Well, we're significant enough to make EA choose to pay their employees till summer to work on something that won't bring any money in. I'd say that's pretty significant.

Modifié par DarkShadow, 07 avril 2012 - 10:45 .

[tybbiesniffer]

Zerox Z21 wrote...

61,000 is enough to gauge the overall reaction on. No one surveys the entire country, you survey a sample of a few thousand because that's enough people to be an average representation e.g. if you multiply the responses to match the actual population it will be quite accurate.

61,000 is easily enough to be representative of the overall population. That's Facebook users alone who've actually noticed. Not everyone uses Facebook, and not every Facebook member who played ME3, opinion or not, will have liked that.

An accurate sample size is generated randomly.  Randomness is the key to accurately sampling any population.  There is nothing random about people who seek out BSN or any other site because they hate it (or love it).  A true random sample could only be had by actively seeking out those who played ME3.  Even then, only those with strong opinions one way or the other would be likely to answer.  That being said, it's obvious that there are many, many people unhappy with the ending.  It's just not accurate to call it statistically "significant".

Modifié par tybbiesniffer, 07 avril 2012 - 10:47 .

[TheCinC]

Well, they do now and they are working on it, so let's see if we can persuade them to do a bit more than what they are already planning.