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[FS3D]

[quote]cutegigi wrote...

[quote]Ziggeh wrote...

[quote]Transgirlgamer wrote...

I think that most people have been working under the assumption that Bioware knew the ending wasn't great when they sent the game out and they didn't have time to do anything about it or that it was deliberate so they could release something else.  It takes time to come to terms with something like that not being true.[/quote]
I can understand them not thinking it was ace. I mean, it's not, so it makes them a bit daft, or too close to it, or something. But deliberate? What kind of plan is that? Surely theres a massive gaping flaw in that? You'd have to be a dribbling moron to think that would work.
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morons usually think thhemself as the smartest.
thats just the fact of the world[/quote]

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The phenomenon even has a name in psychology circles. 

Dunning-Kruger effect.

[DJBare]

Pandaman102 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
Now what does this have to do with the story or campaign of Mass Effect 3? STOP CLITTERING THESE FORUMS WITH THIS CRAP!!! Thanks, have a good day!

I'm afraid your objection was lost in the humorously embarrasing typo.

You have to wonder what was going through his mind at the time of writing.....well, maybe not.

[cutegigi]

FS3D wrote...




The phenomenon even has a name in psychology circles. 

Dunning-Kruger effect.

wow. I learn something new. 
Thank you very much. appreciated it 

Modifié par cutegigi, 07 avril 2012 - 12:14 .

[Darc_Requiem]

Wow...what a crock of BS.They didn't know? Really? All of the pre-release comments on the ending indicate other wise. Casey said that it wouldn't be an "A,B, or C ending" for example. That's exactly what we were given however.

The response to the lazily photoshopped Tali photo took the cake however. They expect us to believe that a five minute photoshop is equal treatment to Tali fans and not a lazy last minute cop out. The fail in these responses is quite damning.

[Pandaman102]

Ziggeh wrote...

I think a lot of them were met, just not to anything like the standard we'd like, but I'm not sure that's important to my point: In order for them to have known there would be demand we have to assume that they themselves believed they were releasing an ending that wasn't acceptable. That they intentionally sabotaged their own reputation.

That is possible, but in that case it means they were horribly deluded rather than being outright deceptive. I'm not sure either is a particularly comforting revelation.

[akuma1973]

cutegigi wrote...

nah... they are right.
not EVERYBODY want a "better" ending.
there are quite a number of vocal majority that liked the ending.

Umm You mean Minority, It's the vocal Minority who liked the ending. 70,000 votes 91% didn't like, that's a good indicator of how the community over all feels about it.

[FS3D]

alienatedflea wrote...

Now what does this have to do with the story or campaign of Mass Effect 3? STOP CLITTERING THESE FORUMS WITH THIS CRAP!!! Thanks, have a good day!

Actually it has everything to do with the story and campaign, given that it was actually all about the dishonesty and lies we keep having to hear from these people about... You guessed it... The ending to the story!

Reported for trolling.

Edited for stupid iPhone formatting shenanigans.

Modifié par FS3D, 07 avril 2012 - 12:19 .

[Ziggeh]

Pandaman102 wrote...

That is possible, but in that case it means they were horribly deluded rather than being outright deceptive. I'm not sure either is a particularly comforting revelation.

Right, horribly deluded is a reasonable assumption, (personally I imagine they had a line of reasoning that they all bought into), but that still precludes them knowing about the demand.

[Ziggeh]

akuma1973 wrote...

Umm You mean Minority, It's the vocal Minority who liked the ending. 70,000 votes 91% didn't like, that's a good indicator of how the community over all feels about it.

No it's not.

That's a good indicator of what 70000 self selected people felt. And nothing else.

[cutegigi]

akuma1973 wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

nah... they are right.
not EVERYBODY want a "better" ending.
there are quite a number of vocal majority that liked the ending.

Umm You mean Minority, It's the vocal Minority who liked the ending. 70,000 votes 91% didn't like, that's a good indicator of how the community over all feels about it.

well some would "beg" to differ.
last few pages learly illustrate this.

[Marta Rio II]

Ziggeh wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

I think that most people have been working under the assumption that Bioware knew the ending wasn't great when they sent the game out and they didn't have time to do anything about it or that it was deliberate so they could release something else.  It takes time to come to terms with something like that not being true.

I can understand them not thinking it was ace. I mean, it's not, so it makes them a bit daft, or too close to it, or something. But deliberate? What kind of plan is that? Surely theres a massive gaping flaw in that? You'd have to be a dribbling moron to think that would work.

My guess?  They probably thought: "Well, this ending isn't super great, but games have had bad endings before and people just grumbled a bit.  The rest of the games' awesomness will make up for it."  They didn't expect a full on fan rage with an organized campaign that got 50,000+ likes on facebook, raised $80k for charity, and led to coverage of the controversy by every major/minor gaming/geek news site for several weeks.

I mean, Casey Hudson thought we'd all love planet scanning (seriously, there's video of him saying this)...so yeah, their predictions for ran reactions seem to be hit or miss.

Their statement at PAX?  Just backwards logic trying to spin the situation so they don't look completely incompetent. 

[Azmahoony]

Bioware obviously doesn't know what the Internet is.

[Pandaman102]

Ziggeh wrote...

Right, horribly deluded is a reasonable assumption, (personally I imagine they had a line of reasoning that they all bought into), but that still precludes them knowing about the demand.

Fair enough, I guess if it works for Peter Molyneux it might work for Bioware as well.

[Transgirlgamer]

AaronXR wrote...

Bioware obviously doesn't know what the Internet is.

But still they use it to dispense DLC.

Modifié par Transgirlgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[Azmahoony]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

AaronXR wrote...

Bioware obviously doesn't know what the Internet is.

But still they use it to dispense DLC.

I wonder what this button does.

Derp.

[Asclepus]

I am speechless.

That is either an outright lie or glaring stupidity. Possibly both.

[SiriusXI]

Darth Math 88 wrote...


Case in point: I never voted in the poll in question (I don't typically visit these forums) and I very much disliked the ending. I know several other people who don't visit forums and feel the same as I do about the ending.

Granted, I know that's just a small number of people, but you can be damn sure that there are plenty more like us out there

A friend of mine hated the ending and had never heard of retake ME, the charity drive, or IT until I told him yesterday. He was very releaved when he heared there were so many people who hated the ending as well, and will check out the forums.


The people in these forums are just a minority, obviously, but it is very likely that if 91% of the forum users hate the ending, the vast majority of the people who are not here, hate the ending as well. They are just not vocal. On the contrary, it is very much less likely that if 9% here like/love the ending, the majority of the people out there love it...

I think the opinion in these forums reflect (obviously not 100% exact) the opinion of the masses.

Modifié par SiriusXI, 07 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[Kilshrek]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Fair enough, I guess if it works for Peter Molyneux it might work for Bioware as well.

I may venture to say that Peter Molyneux is backed up by a pedigree far more impressive than Bioware's.

And say what you want, he doesn't screw up the ending of his games. That's the take away, the message you leave the game with. Look at Portal. The whole purpose of Still Alive playing at the end of Portal :

Kim Swift explained that they chose to play this song during the ending so that players would leave the game happy.[6]

    
Of course Portal was more of a humorous game than ME, but seriously, who makes a game that leads players to get attached to characters, and then blows them up. That's just grimdark, and I get my grimdark fix from WH40k, thank you very much.

Fable never ends with the death of the Hero, and in the first 2 Fables, the negative emotions are quickly dealt with, put out in front, and the story ends on a high note. In Fable 3 you get the somewhat bittersweet ending, though I saw it from a mile away, I still felt moved by it. I'd become attached to the character, though I saw so little of him in the game.

ME 3 just pulls the carpet from under you at the end. You land on your bum, and then get laughed at.

[B.Shep]

They are lying, just like they did with that 16 diferent endings crap weeks before the release.

[Anduin The Grey]

Asclepus wrote...

I am speechless.

That is either an outright lie or glaring stupidity. Possibly both.

The problem with stupidity is often those that have an abundance of it are usually the polar opposite of speechless.

[Asclepus]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Asclepus wrote...

I am speechless.

That is either an outright lie or glaring stupidity. Possibly both.

The problem with stupidity is often those that have an abundance of it are usually the polar opposite of speechless.

-Falls over laughing- 
Thanks for making my day!:happy:

[Pandaman102]

Kilshrek wrote...

I may venture to say that Peter Molyneux is backed up by a pedigree far more impressive than Bioware's.

And say what you want, he doesn't screw up the ending of his games. That's the take away, the message you leave the game with. Look at Portal. The whole purpose of Still Alive playing at the end of Portal :

Kim Swift explained that they chose to play this song during the ending so that players would leave the game happy.[6]

    
Of course Portal was more of a humorous game than ME, but seriously, who makes a game that leads players to get attached to characters, and then blows them up. That's just grimdark, and I get my grimdark fix from WH40k, thank you very much.

Fable never ends with the death of the Hero, and in the first 2 Fables, the negative emotions are quickly dealt with, put out in front, and the story ends on a high note. In Fable 3 you get the somewhat bittersweet ending, though I saw it from a mile away, I still felt moved by it. I'd become attached to the character, though I saw so little of him in the game.

ME 3 just pulls the carpet from under you at the end. You land on your bum, and then get laughed at.

Ah, I stand corrected. I admit I have a bias against Peter Molyneux because I believed a lot of the hype regarding Fable and was more than a bit disappointed, but what you say is true and... I've been unfair to Molyneux by comparing ME3's development to him.

That actually made me cringe to admit.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 07 avril 2012 - 12:58 .

[Ziggeh]

SiriusXI wrote...

I think the opinion in these forums reflect (obviously not 100% exact) the opinion of the masses.

Self selection.

If you loved it there's not much to talk about, if you hated it there's lots. If we were a vocal minority you'd expect to see more defence of the ending, but aside from broad generalisations there's really not a lot you can glean from forum activity.

[Ziggeh]

Kilshrek wrote...

And say what you want, he doesn't screw up the ending of his games.

Just like, the games themselves. Which is better?

[The_Duke75]

Ziggeh wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

And say what you want, he doesn't screw up the ending of his games.

Just like, the games themselves. Which is better?

Obviously a game that's complete and utter crap from the start.