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[OnlyHazeRemains]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Szuli wrote...

Nothing is ever their fault. They didn't know what the fans wanted, they are so surprised and hurt by the fans' reactions to their "artistic vision", etc. etc. I haven't seen them take any responsibility about this debacle.

They never will admit they are wrong. Thats why you keep hearing artistic integrity. Bioware devs are full of themselves. They now have hudge ego's.

They sold their goddamn artistic integrity to EA...

[palanora]

Eww your 65 and romanced Tali?  Nahh I'm just kidding lol.

On another note yeah this is pretty ridiculous, they didn't know there was a demand for it?

not that i am at that age but have you ever heard?

"I cant do anything about it but i can still dream about it":whistle:

Modifié par palanora, 07 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[bluewolv1970]

sad

[Raizo]

The whole entire " We didn't know there was a huge demand for it" thing is the stupidest excuse I have ever heard in my life.

And by the way, when you you use the phrase "huge demand" you no longer have the right to call us a "vocal minority".

[Vanguard Of Destruction]

They say they are surprised that there was fan backlash and we didn't know about the huge demand for a new ending? Why? Anybody with half a brain could see fan backlash coming a mile away with the types of endings that Bioware made. Namely the ones that make no sense, and disregard the previous ME games and the universes lore.

And using this whole "Artistic Integrity" in response to the endings is a bunch of crap as well, in my mind using this excuse makes Bioware seem like the person sitting in the corner of a room, fanning themselves off, not a care in the world saying "oh you silly little things, we made a masterpiece" while the actual fans who are disappointed, are sitting in the room looking concerned as their game series goes down the toilet

Modifié par Vanguard Of Destruction, 07 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[DnVill]

Everything they tried to appease me. promising free stuff, new content, clarification it has the opposite effect.

Every time they open their mouths for a official statement only lowers my opinion of them. They are starting to sound like one of those crappy devs that make games that I always pirate or one of those sneaky politicians that gets caught screwing around and is desperately trying to weasel themselves out of it.

If Bioware wants people to stop all this negativity towards them... just admit that you screwed up! People would forgive you for it.

Modifié par DnVill, 07 avril 2012 - 07:14 .

[knightnblu]

That statement wasn't for us. That was somthing cobbled together for the media. We know better, but who's paying attention to us?

[Szuli]

Raizo wrote...

The whole entire " We didn't know there was a huge demand for it" thing is the stupidest excuse I have ever heard in my life.

And by the way, when you you use the phrase "huge demand" you no longer have the right to call us a "vocal minority".

lol, good point

[Desteron]

At this point I'm truly hoping they are just trolling us. Sad that its come to that point...

[jumpingkaede]

It's no different than what we already knew about Walters/Hudson. Cutting content from the ending because they thought that the gamer didn't need explanations or dialogue.

It'd be hilarious if... if it wasn't mindblowingly stupid. And I spent nearly $1000 on a new sound system and HDTV because of ME3. Jokes on me I guess.

[warrior256]

I honestly think that the way Bioware views us could be compared to how the inner party views the proles in the novel 1984. We, the proles. are the mindless masses that have no collective intelligence and are willing to put up with whatever we are given because we literally have no idea of how strong we are. They thought that we would be happy with ME3's ending because it is part of the Mass Effect series. They underestimated our intelligence and now they are paying for it. We were not supposed to get this unhappy and now they arrogantly try to defend their position because they do not know how to react to us.

Yeah, I know I think about this stuff too much.

[JakeOrion]

I'm just going to go watch the US primaries. At least I can expect this type of garbage out of politicians but never in the world I would have expected this out of a game developer.

And many people are wondering why most games that are being released is crap nowadays.

[DiE231]

LOLOLOL

Seriously, BW is setting a new standard on the bullshi.t department. This is so embarrassing it hurts...

Modifié par DiE231, 07 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[darthoptimus003]

then bw wonders why the fans "vocal minoity my ass" is so upset and raging because stupid sh** like this being said

[Jackal7713]

Samurai_Smartie wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Szuli wrote...

Nothing is ever their fault. They didn't know what the fans wanted, they are so surprised and hurt by the fans' reactions to their "artistic vision", etc. etc. I haven't seen them take any responsibility about this debacle.

They never will admit they are wrong. Thats why you keep hearing artistic integrity. Bioware devs are full of themselves. They now have hudge ego's.

They sold their goddamn artistic integrity to EA...

So what would you call someone that sells themself?

[jcmuki]

your looking at it to logically
you need to use your speculation
and don't forget artistic integrity

[Avissel]

I guess they should have speculated a bit more

[III_wAR]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Szuli wrote...

Nothing is ever their fault. They didn't know what the fans wanted, they are so surprised and hurt by the fans' reactions to their "artistic vision", etc. etc. I haven't seen them take any responsibility about this debacle.

They never will admit they are wrong. Thats why you keep hearing artistic integrity. Bioware devs are full of themselves. They now have hudge ego's.

They might be full of themselves, but "artistic integrity" is the only thing they have left to hide behind. "Entitled gamers" wasn't working out to well for them.

[Dandynermite]

Are they ****ing blind and don't look at any social media or the forums.

Oh I forgot, unless you say you "loved the game like a little fanboy despite being lied to"

they WILL ignore you.

[EnforcerWRX7]

How they didn't understand we wanted a complete ending is so far beyond stupid that I don't know what to say.

All of us have been playing for 100s of hours. How did you EVER think that a partial, non conclusive ending isn't what we wanted?


It amazes me the bone headed statements these people have made. Bioware was such a brilliant company...a few years ago.

[Babyberry]

Okay, you know how in movies they do a test screening to see what the overall feel for the movie is, and then they will change things (like endings or whatever) if there is a call for it?

Maybe video games need to do something like this. Not advance copies for media to review or whatever, but take a sampling of fans to play the game and give raw feedback on it. This may have helped them narrow down issues with the game before hand, such as the Face Import bug, the step back in the quest Journal, and then the overall mood of the endings.

I can understand that those of us who disliked the ending have taken them by surprise my how much we dislike it. But saying that, it still is very weird and disconcerting that they couldn't foresee even a little bit of backlash with their decisions.

[NickelToe]

Justin2k wrote...

I've noticed this several times, in several different companies from the WWE to Bethesda to Blizzard to even things like Pepsi. It's happened to Bioware several times.

They will make a long annoucement. They will address issues with their product, and in that statement they will say one line that gets picked up on, taken out of context and repeated as if that is all that was said.

Remember when they said that CoD players put points into something and this suggests there is a wider audience out there? It came out in translation on the forums as "Bioware wants CoD crowd at the expense of it's current fanbase".

The truth is they never ever said that.  Or even implied it.  They just said they still believed they could attract more fans to their games.

Here, what was actually said was that they cut some of the ending content because they didn't realise until after the game released, that the ending would attract so much attention.

Thats what the statement is saying. Nothing more and nothing less. They are not saying they are blind to what is going on now, just that at the time before release there wasn't a huge emphasis on the ending from the fans and that they didn't expect what they did have to fail to resonate with so many people.

It was one line in part of a much longer speech.  Please do not be so quick to jump on it or read into things that aren't there.  This frequently happens with Jessica Merizan's twitter, whereby anything she says is interpretated into a million different ways and mis-reported on the forums.

People just need to settle and not read too much into it.  Bioware are damned if they say anthing, and if they don't say anything people would be upset by that too right now.

Remember do not think, do not try to see the truth through all the fog.  Nice try on damage control though.  Yesterday I would have seen you refute anything said outright as heresy against the Bioware Releigion.  Progress...  Today we have acceptance that what was said was actually wrong, even if the attempt to get people to ignore it.  I wonder what tomorrow will bring when it comes to Bioware totally losing their reputation.

If Justin2k acknowledges that it was wrong there is some progress.  Usually outright denial of anything, redirecting threads, whining that we insulted BioGod, but not today actual acceptance that some may have a point, even if still trying to brush it under the rug.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Nightfire78 wrote...

sfam wrote...

*snip*

http://www.gamezone....ngs-but-closure 

"When
asked why that content wasn't included in the game at launch, the dev
team stood by the release in the core product."We're very proud of it,"
they said.  "It was important though, for us to listen to the community,
and community feedback obviously didn't come until the game came out. 
We couldn't have included it in the game because we didn't know there
was a huge demand for it."

If they did they wouldn't have been able to play the "art" card
...

pfellahX wrote...

Yes, that's why they touted those exact things in the pre-launch build-up... because they didn't know people wanted it.

I don't even know what more to say...

  <_<

I don't know what to say about this Charlie Foxtrot to Bioware either, except this... 

[Kadayi]

aksoileau wrote...

That whole Q/A was full of fluff and pointless misdirecting questions.

True that. 

Neither Hudson & Walters dared to show their faces given everyone knows they're the real villians of the piece. I felt kind of sorry for the guys who were sent out to face the music, but then I also thought 'you're shills' , they're as morally bankrupt as the people they're representing.

How they can sit there and say they collectively didn't think that there would be a negative reaction to the games endings with straight faces, especially in light of all of the assurances by Hudson in the build up to the release is frankly beyond me. Even the most cursory fan of the series generally have been able to pull the 'that makes no sense' card from their pocket. So the idea that we're to swallow that the very people whom have been working on the series all this time and should know the entirity of the IP backwards, never saw the myriad plot holes the endings contain is inconcievable. Whom exactly we're they trying to convince save themselves?       

[Shin Yodama]

Bioware are guilty of Hubris.

Know that Pride cometh before a fall.