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#51
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warrior256 wrote...

When I think about this more, I think that Bioware is stuck between two options. They can either admit that they were lying, which would make them look really bad, or they could feign ignorence which would make them look like idiots. They chose the latter apparantly....


Agreed.  And its a bad place to be.

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How about the ending of DA2 where you are once again railroaded down a path on non-choice and your decisions are unimportant during the last sequences and cut-scenes?
Is two examples enough to classify this as an emerging behavior?

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Well there's our slap in the face followed by the middle finger for the day. You know I'll admit my retake attitude was mild at best but I just can't see how this is justifiable.

Maybe they're hoping we'll get pissed and start an uproar about it all again to deflect the issue.

Nice try PR what's next?

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Seriously... They need to put pride and "art" aside.

This statement is an attempt at making us look like a minority.

These are their own forums for the love of god... not to mention 90% of the internet is in agreement with us. Just because a few critics say otherwise should not override the largest voice the customers have in this situation... the internet. I really hate when people act out over the internet it's automatically taken less seriously... WTF do they expect to get actual reactions of the game from? Sales numbers?

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Problem?

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Litefire wrote...

the panel lied, either intentionally or unintentually.   These quotes are from casey hudson's interviews.

"Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s..."

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”


Yep, here's how we knew they knew:

Casey Hudson - 3/2/12
"Fans want to make sure they see things resolved, they want some closure, a great ending.  I think they're going to get that. 

The whole idea of Mass Effect 3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3"


No, none of those things were answered.  All we were left with is three random choices that they now apparently expect us to "interpret".  That works great if your series was built on intepretation, but Mass Effect did not play like the Matrix - sorry, it just did not.  Springing it on us at the last second flat out fails. 

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/facepalm

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'artistic vision' again? oh dear... im outta here before a bust my neck veins

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Orange Tee wrote...

Seriously... They need to put pride and "art" aside.

This statement is an attempt at making us look like a minority.

These are their own forums for the love of god... not to mention 90% of the internet is in agreement with us. Just because a few critics say otherwise should not override the largest voice the customers have in this situation... the internet. I really hate when people act out over the internet it's automatically taken less seriously... WTF do they expect to get actual reactions of the game from? Sales numbers?


Exactly - they may be able to help avert some of bad press from gamers sites, which, really are mostlly biased anyways.  But they won't be changing the perceptions of the gamers themselves - the word of mouth will still suck, the user reviews will still suck, and their sales will still be tanking. This flat out won't stop the bleeding.

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Does anyone have that audio clip of whatshisname saying "You sit on a throne of lies?"

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sfam wrote...

 Dear Bioware, you know there is nobody on this earth who believes that, right?  You developed a game with intense interaction between the characters, and previously had lots of cut scenes about what happened to everyone - an actual denouement so to speak, but now you're "Shocked! Shocked!" that people would have wanted a comprehensive ending to the third game?

All your pre-release stuff indicated more of a capstone ending to the series, and we don't get anything about any of the races we've worked, nor much of anything about our ship mates.

And you didn't know?


Again, nobody buys that.  Your statement at PAX today makes it sound far more likely that you actually thought you could get people to pay for a final ending as a DLC.  I hadn't really believed that until now.

Again - the whole star child thing is a travesty, but I would have expected some wierd defense of this, not, you were shocked that your fans, who you clearly understood perfectly up until the last 5 minutes, would have actually wanted to know what happened to all the things they had spent the past 30+ hours working on.

Care to try again? 

That is so ****ing unbelieveable

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Word. They're just building themselves up as incompetent and ignorant, words I'd never have associated with a company like Bioware until recently.

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TheRedVipress wrote...

/facepalm


/double facepalm
/headdesk

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Bioware obviously doesn't care about me, so I'm going to stop caring about them.

Guess which one of us is going to have more money as a result.

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To be honest, I'm not surprised that they were surprised.
It's hard to see with your head that far up your ass ......:?

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They're finished. EA will dismantle the brand. It's damaged goods. You will never see another product launched under the Bioware label where half the internet won't be sniping at their producers and project managers. Mocking them, painting all their pre-launch hype as lies.

Eventually some of the junior people will have had enough of receiving humiliation on behalf of their leadership and quit. They will spill the beans and the cycle will be complete.

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In one fel swoop Bioware has gone from being the most respected RPG developer out there to an EA indoctrinated joke.

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Currently downloading the witcher 2. Sigh bioware what happend?

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No one is that obtuse. Sloth could have figured out that this ending wasn't going to work. For shame, Mr. Hudson. For shame.

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This is just pathetic.
What the hell happened to you, Bioware?

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sfam wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Seriously... They need to put pride and "art" aside.

This statement is an attempt at making us look like a minority.

These are their own forums for the love of god... not to mention 90% of the internet is in agreement with us. Just because a few critics say otherwise should not override the largest voice the customers have in this situation... the internet. I really hate when people act out over the internet it's automatically taken less seriously... WTF do they expect to get actual reactions of the game from? Sales numbers?


Exactly - they may be able to help avert some of bad press from gamers sites, which, really are mostlly biased anyways.  But they won't be changing the perceptions of the gamers themselves - the word of mouth will still suck, the user reviews will still suck, and their sales will still be tanking. This flat out won't stop the bleeding.


I lol everytime I see them use "75 perfect scores" everytime they advertise anything that has to do with the game.

It just proves even more how worthless our opinion is, whether they listen or not.

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FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....

I'm just going to take a quick break from all of this. Still holding the line, but damn do they make it hard. They were given a chance to come clean, and have instead gone the PR route. Bioware, I am disappointed.

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Orange Tee wrote...

sfam wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Seriously... They need to put pride and "art" aside.

This statement is an attempt at making us look like a minority.

These are their own forums for the love of god... not to mention 90% of the internet is in agreement with us. Just because a few critics say otherwise should not override the largest voice the customers have in this situation... the internet. I really hate when people act out over the internet it's automatically taken less seriously... WTF do they expect to get actual reactions of the game from? Sales numbers?


Exactly - they may be able to help avert some of bad press from gamers sites, which, really are mostlly biased anyways.  But they won't be changing the perceptions of the gamers themselves - the word of mouth will still suck, the user reviews will still suck, and their sales will still be tanking. This flat out won't stop the bleeding.


I lol everytime I see them use "75 perfect scores" everytime they advertise anything that has to do with the game.

It just proves even more how worthless our opinion is, whether they listen or not.


Oh yeah when I watched that new multiplayer dlc trailer and I saw 75 perfect scores at the end I was like. =_=

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WhereEternityEnds wrote...

Bioware. The key to getting out of a hole the size of a sovereign class Reaper is to stop. digging.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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How the hell could they not know? This situation is getting worst everyday ffs.

At least it's nice to see I'm not the only one grasping at straws.