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[KevShep]

Zalbik wrote...

There is no more Bioware. It is now a division of EA.

fans-            does this unit have a name?
Bioware-     we are all EA.
fans-           what is the individual in front of me called?
Bioware-     There is no individual, there is only us. We are EA.
fans-            why do I see a Bioware sign there?
Bioware-     ---------no data!....
Fans-          Why are you waring my explanation DLC?
Bioware-     -----There--- was a hole!
fans-          but why?
Bioware-   -------------no data!

[KevShep]

bladerj wrote...

The story is from 2007 !! seriously.....

Its the part about artistic vision that I noticed that it was what they are defending the game with.

[Elk Cloner]

bladerj wrote...

The story is from 2007 !! seriously.....

No it isn't. Seriously.

[Cygnus x1]

Jessica1995 wrote...


This post is Chakwas approved

LOL

[Elk Cloner]

KevShep wrote...

I changed the title to include both. I read that link I put and EA has been claimed to sacrifce artistic vision to make there money (as per my link). They keep goingt on about "artistic" and crap in there defence.

Of course they are. But it's up to developers to make a statement. With their games and with their practices. 

[KevShep]

Elk Cloner wrote...

bladerj wrote...

The story is from 2007 !! seriously.....

No it isn't. Seriously.

there is alot of good stuff in it that is a larg part of what is going on right now with Bioware. Its a better look at the direction they have been going thiswhole time.

[KevShep]

Elk Cloner wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I changed the title to include both. I read that link I put and EA has been claimed to sacrifce artistic vision to make there money (as per my link). They keep goingt on about "artistic" and crap in there defence.

Of course they are. But it's up to developers to make a statement. With their games and with their practices. 

This is also because they made Drew ( main Mass Effect writer) leave the project to do SWTOR.

[Peregrin25]

KevShep wrote...

Elk Cloner wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I changed the title to include both. I read that link I put and EA has been claimed to sacrifce artistic vision to make there money (as per my link). They keep goingt on about "artistic" and crap in there defence.

Of course they are. But it's up to developers to make a statement. With their games and with their practices. 

This is also because they made Drew ( main Mass Effect writer) leave the project to do SWTOR.

Too add to that. the people in charge should always take steps to make sure even if they lose a core member of the team to have them leave notes and ideas. That way they can continue on the same page.

When I was in the Marine Corps. we had a saying. We called it the7 P's Propper Prior Planning Prevents ****** Poor Performance. That can be said with just about anything. And that is where Bioware failed. They did not plan propperly.

[Mettyx]

chengthao wrote...

EA just gave them money

BW screwed it up (writing/story)

Exactly, also with this and this.

It's all Bioware incompetence and lazyness.

[Cloudwulf]

Honestly. If my there is an Earthquake that destroys my house, i don´t care if the Eartquake originated in EA-Land or BW-Land. I just want my House TO BE FIX IT AGAIN!!

I personally don´t look for a scapegoat. I look for somebody who is able to give me my ending.

[Kadayi]

KevShep wrote...

You did not read it...They (EA) rushed them to meet the deadline. Thats why the last 10 minutes are seem rushed.

If you read the 'last hours  of mass effect 3' you'd know that EA already extended the deadline to the game by a further two months than was originally agreed. Quit giving Walters & Hudson an out for basically falling at the last hurdle. The pair of them went off the reservation at the eleventh hour Vs going through peer review and spectacularly faceplanted with their half baked 'lots of speculation' ending, given the massive amount of plot incongruities it throws up. The quality of the ending is jarringly at odds with the rest of the game. It feels tacked on and disconnected. The people I feel truly sorry for are the rest of the Bioware team who not only had no choice but to go along with the whole debacle, but also now have the fun task of making the dogs dinner ending make sense simply because neither Hudson or Walters possess the humility to acknowledge that ending did not live upto the quality of the rest of the game both in terms of the plot & delivery. You can put a fancy hat on a pig, but it's still a pig regardless. 

Modifié par Kadayi, 07 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[XqctaX]

kbct wrote...

Kanner wrote...

EA didn't write that ending.

True:



I seriously hope the ending was because of time constraints.

no, it was only hudson and casey writing on it.
no other wirter got the chance to give feedback or input on it 

this info has been leaked and confirmed by inside sources, all claims to the contriary is Blatant lies and PR spin by bioware:ph34r:
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[Dogaum]

How is porting ME2 to Ps3 bad for the series?

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

KevShep wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
In fact, it's also Bioware's fault:
They decided to sleep in EA's bed.

 No they did not. It was not there choice.

It's not what I read.
Besides, it's not anything like they were forced to sell their company.

[Hogge87]

chengthao wrote...

EA just gave them money

BW screwed it up (writing/story)

No, EA have a habbit of forcing different decisions upon developers.
This is true regardless if EA actually own a company or just publish their games.

EA want the largest possible return from their investments and thus often force devs to do things which are against their creative vision of a game.

[LordDeimos4]

XqctaX wrote...

kbct wrote...

Kanner wrote...

EA didn't write that ending.

True:



I seriously hope the ending was because of time constraints.

no, it was only hudson and casey writing on it.
no other wirter got the chance to give feedback or input on it 

this info has been leaked and confirmed by inside sources, all claims to the contriary is Blatant lies and PR spin by bioware:ph34r:
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LOL no wonder the ending makes no sense!

[MortalEngines]

KevShep wrote...

They also had to worry about making MP. The ending is rushed and I cant tell you why here without getting locked.

The amount of times I see this is facepalm worthy. If you did just a smidgen of research you discover that the MP was made by a different stuidio to the singleplayer. Studio Edmonton have been the ones creating the main story for the past three games. The multiplayer was made and developed by Studio Montreal on a seperate deadline, with a seperate team with seperate resources. So can you stop using MP as an excuse for any part of the game being rushed. It had nothing to do with it.

[Kalas82]

KevShep wrote...

http://www.gamespot....-buyout-6180866

Its EA's fault why ME3 is as bad as it is.


EA... The purchaser in question is the world's biggest third-party publisher, and has been rightly or wrongly perceived as preferring to hit corporate deadlines over supporting creative vision.

why is it so hard for people to accept that Bioware could`ve made a mistake?
They made plenty bevore, you could overlook them cause they were not thrown in your face like this time.
But no..lalalala its EA..lalalala facts what name so..lalalala EA...what NW1 that story was awesome...lalalalala EA.
One could even argue that it would`ve been easier to implent an ending which made sense.

Modifié par Kalas82, 07 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[animadpig]

Of course, this is Bioware's fault.

Bioware is used to be a wholly-owned comapany. If Bioware did not want sell the company, no one can buy it. Three Co-founders sold the company because they wants to make more money that is fine to me. However, they want to make more money and insist "Art Integrity" that is a joke. The only reason Bioware ruin the ME3 because the multiplayers is much easy to make money than traditional RPG. So, they shift their focus on the multiplayers mode from single-player mode. Bioware is just another greedy company which release paid DLC on the same day they release the ME3.

Wake up! Bioware is a greedy company.

KevShep wrote...

http://www.gamespot....-buyout-6180866

Its EA's fault why ME3 is as bad as it is.


EA... The purchaser in question is the world's biggest third-party publisher, and has been rightly or wrongly perceived as preferring to hit corporate deadlines over supporting creative vision.

[Akka le Vil]

KevShep wrote...

You did not read it...They (EA) rushed them to meet the deadline. Thats why the last 10 minutes are seem rushed.

Bioware sold themselves to EA, and have repeated for years "no EA doesn't force us to do stuff, we are totally free to do as we please !".
I don't see why we should cut them slack.

[MortalEngines]

animadpig wrote...

Of course, this is Bioware's fault.

Bioware is used to be a wholly-owned comapany. If Bioware did not want sell the company, no one can buy it. Three Co-founders sold the company because they wants to make more money that is fine to me. However, they want to make more money and insist "Art Integrity" that is a joke. The only reason Bioware ruin the ME3 because the multiplayers is much easy to make money than traditional RPG. So, they shift their focus on the multiplayers mode from single-player mode. Bioware is just another greedy company which release paid DLC on the same day they release the ME3.

Wake up! Bioware is a greedy company.

Did you not read what I wrote like 4 minutes ago regarding the MP? Are you serious?  

[chengthao]

Hogge87 wrote...

chengthao wrote...

EA just gave them money

BW screwed it up (writing/story)

No, EA have a habbit of forcing different decisions upon developers.
This is true regardless if EA actually own a company or just publish their games.

EA want the largest possible return from their investments and thus often force devs to do things which are against their creative vision of a game.

i'm not trying to defend EA . . . . i think they're evil

but

i'm also not trying to defend BW . . . . they wrote the endings, Casey Hudson wrote the ending, not ppl from EA . . . . . they (as in BW) thought their ending was actually good

do i think BW/ME3 suffered while under EA rule . . . . . yes . . . . . . do i think EA affected the ending . . . . . . no . . . . . . the ending is bad writing, they already had an ending, they already had an idea and changed it, its BW's fault

[animadpig]

MortalEngines wrote...

animadpig wrote...

Of course, this is Bioware's fault.

Bioware is used to be a wholly-owned comapany. If Bioware did not want sell the company, no one can buy it. Three Co-founders sold the company because they wants to make more money that is fine to me. However, they want to make more money and insist "Art Integrity" that is a joke. The only reason Bioware ruin the ME3 because the multiplayers is much easy to make money than traditional RPG. So, they shift their focus on the multiplayers mode from single-player mode. Bioware is just another greedy company which release paid DLC on the same day they release the ME3.

Wake up! Bioware is a greedy company.

Did you not read what I wrote like 4 minutes ago regarding the MP? Are you serious?  

Yes, I read. And, it is not excues.

EA only has that much resource and founding to support Bioware to produce the ME3. If EA wants the multiplayers mode, Bioware has to do it because Bioware is a department of EA. If Bioware is still a financial independent company, Bioware will not be affected by EA. However, three of Co-Founders want more money so they sell the company. And yet, these three greedy businessmans claim they have "Art Integrity". You must be kidding with me.

[Paradox6006]

KevShep wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Kanner wrote...

I don't recall being massively offended by the multiplayer or the 'buy DLC' note.

EA didn't write that ending.

You did not read it...They (EA) rushed them to meet the deadline. Thats why the last 10 minutes are seem rushed.

Remember when ME3 was going to be released in November? It had it's deadline extended...

 Do you remember that they cancelled the original story after ME2. That has something to do with the script leak in November.

Seriously dude, get off Biowares d***, they screwed up. If you're gonna blame EA for the ending then you may as well associate them with the ENTIRE game.