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[Stenun]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I misspoke. It says that less than one percent of matches are successful Gold.

Interesting, thank you.  :-)
Do you know how old this is?

[Maria Caliban]

Came out March 16th.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[Crimson Invictus]

You have to smile at the Cold War: Firebase White information.

[vinlandhammer]

its funny online gaming is full of hypocrites "if you dont play good as me then you shouldnt play this game", well everyone paid the game so everyone plays as much and the way they want.

xp doesn't mean the X Y Z player is a handicap, but a few things can really affect the match:

- xp/credit leechers
- headless chicken/ ranger akimbo's
- STOP BLOCKING MY LINE OF FIRE MOVEEEEE AWAY !!!
- dying 3 times per wave
- sheer ignorance on objective waves, enemies wont stop spawn so stop running around and start hacking/uploading
- 20sec left for extraction....get your ass on the LZ !!

[GodlessPaladin]

The fact that less than 1% of matches on gold are successful is all the more justification for why players want to remove the underperforming individuals.  I know my teams usre as hell don't lose 99% of the time!  Hell, I don't lose nearly that often when SOLOING gold.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[Cyonan]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

The fact that less than 1% of matches on gold are successful is all the more justification for why players want to remove the underperforming individuals.  I know my teams usre as hell don't lose 99% of the time!

The stat is not that less than 1% of gold matches succeed. It is that less than 1% of successful matches are on gold.

The fact that so many of us farm Geth Gold Firebase White and suicide after wave 10's objective horribly skews this stat.

[Creston918]

I don't resent it, but I sometimes get a little weary when I see "So and So was taken down" flash across my screen 97 times in wave 2 on Silver.

If you have 4 good players, Silver is a breeze. It's a relaxing fight, and you get your 30K afterwards. If you have one guy who just doesn't know what he's doing and two others who are so-so, you're basically sitting there all tensed, doing everything by yourself for 25 mins.

I'd prefer to have a nice relaxing game.

Of course, if I get annoyed with carrying others in Silver, I just go back to Bronze for a few matches.

[GodlessPaladin]

vinlandhammer wrote...

its funny online gaming is full of hypocrites "if you dont play good as me then you shouldnt play this game", well everyone paid the game so everyone plays as much and the way they want.

 You're a complete jerk for using a straw man argument.  What you just said is not what people are actually saying.  I don't ask that people play as well as me, and I certainly don't say that they should quit the game if they don't (at worst, I ask that they just not play it WITH ME).  There is a difference between "doesn't play as well as me" and "gets an 18th of my score, spectates half the game, and then insults me for replacing them on the team with a better player because they think I am somehow obliged to carry them."

Moreover, it is not unreasonable to want to form teams of a similar skill level to yourself.  If I am forming a team to go to a tournament, I'm not looking to recruit people who aren't going to be able to land a single kill against an MLG player.  That doesn't mean I don't think they should play the game, I just don't think they should be on my team in that particular situation.

Moreover, playing "as much and the way they want" implies that they can choose who they play with.  This would actually support the argument that the undesirable players should get kicked, not the other way around.  Claiming otherwise means that the bad players have a right to interfere with the way the better players want to play. and not vice versa.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 06:33 .

[JGDD]

Creston918 wrote...

I don't resent it, but I sometimes get a little weary when I see "So and So was taken down" flash across my screen 97 times in wave 2 on Silver.

If you have 4 good players, Silver is a breeze. It's a relaxing fight, and you get your 30K afterwards. If you have one guy who just doesn't know what he's doing and two others who are so-so, you're basically sitting there all tensed, doing everything by yourself for 25 mins.

I'd prefer to have a nice relaxing game.

Of course, if I get annoyed with carrying others in Silver, I just go back to Bronze for a few matches.

The upside to So and So dying 97 times is they are like a living decoy. Sad fact, but there's only so many times you will get rezzed by me before I catch on to your stuntman antics. That's not to say I still don't do stupid things. Just less often these days.

[MingWolf]

I think some people resent carry others because of their fear of losing. It's the same reason why some people kick certain classes out of a gold match (i.e., Krogan, non SI or Asari Adepts). Not to say that this is always the case, but certainly there are a bunch of people out there who cannot stomach the game without the reasonable backing of a decent team, beefy classes, and beefy weapons.

I can understand the cases where certain team mates don't even try, who hide in a corner and don't even help out. I don't like to carry them either. But for any earnest player who is at least trying, the expression of resentment is uncalled for, in my opinion. Even if they die all the time, you don't have to go out of your way wasting supplies to revive them if it is going to jeopardize the mission. People might not agree with me on this, but I believe it makes a better player to just suck it up and deal with it if certain other players aren't doing as well as you hope. It's just a game, and inevitably, you will win some and lose some. If you can win with a handicap, it makes you even better.

[GodlessPaladin]

MingWolf wrote...

I think some people resent carry others because of their fear of losing. It's the same reason why some people kick certain classes out of a gold match (i.e., Krogan, non SI or Asari Adepts). Not to say that this is always the case, but certainly there are a bunch of people out there who cannot stomach the game without the reasonable backing of a decent team, beefy classes, and beefy weapons.

I can understand the cases where certain team mates don't even try, who hide in a corner and don't even help out. I don't like to carry them either. But for any earnest player who is at least trying, the expression of resentment is uncalled for, in my opinion. Even if they die all the time, you don't have to go out of your way wasting supplies to revive them if it is going to jeopardize the mission. People might not agree with me on this, but I believe it makes a better player to just suck it up and deal with it if certain other players aren't doing as well as you hope. It's just a game, and inevitably, you will win some and lose some. If you can win with a handicap, it makes you even better.

By your argument, there would be no reason for players like me to ever do anything other than solo, since I can win with that handicap.

MingWolf wrote...



I think some people resent carry others
because of their fear of losing. It's the same reason why some people
kick certain classes out of a gold match (i.e., Krogan, non SI or Asari
Adepts). Not to say that this is always the case, but certainly there
are a bunch of people out there who cannot stomach the game without the
reasonable backing of a decent team, beefy classes, and beefy weapons.



I
can understand the cases where certain team mates don't even try, who
hide in a corner and don't even help out. I don't like to carry them
either. But for any earnest player who is at least trying, the
expression of resentment is uncalled for, in my opinion. Even if they
die all the time, you don't have to go out of your way wasting supplies
to revive them if it is going to jeopardize the mission. People might
not agree with me on this, but I believe it makes a better player to
just suck it up and deal with it if certain other players aren't doing
as well as you hope. It's just a game, and inevitably, you will win
some and lose some. If you can win with a handicap, it makes you even
better.

I have seen all of one bad player who I felt was genuinely trying as hard as he could.  He talked on mic, listened to advice, tried new tactics that were suggested, et cetera.  We had no problem playing with him, and hell we carried him through Gold when he had only a level 2 character.   Out of many, many matches I have never again seen a bad player who I felt was genuinely doing everything he could to perform to his potential.

By contrast, the vast majority of bad players are incapable of productive communication (if they talk at all), will not listen under any circumstances, and will not try to work with the team.  If they do talk, it's usually to complain that you're suggesting that they do something different than running off and dying on their own in a way that is counterproductive to the team effort.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[Trentgamer]

AFKers and people who don't help the team. Anyone else..as long as they are trying and having fun...excellent.

[MingWolf]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

MingWolf wrote...

I think some people resent carry others because of their fear of losing. It's the same reason why some people kick certain classes out of a gold match (i.e., Krogan, non SI or Asari Adepts). Not to say that this is always the case, but certainly there are a bunch of people out there who cannot stomach the game without the reasonable backing of a decent team, beefy classes, and beefy weapons.

I can understand the cases where certain team mates don't even try, who hide in a corner and don't even help out. I don't like to carry them either. But for any earnest player who is at least trying, the expression of resentment is uncalled for, in my opinion. Even if they die all the time, you don't have to go out of your way wasting supplies to revive them if it is going to jeopardize the mission. People might not agree with me on this, but I believe it makes a better player to just suck it up and deal with it if certain other players aren't doing as well as you hope. It's just a game, and inevitably, you will win some and lose some. If you can win with a handicap, it makes you even better.

By your argument, there would be no reason for players like me to ever do anything other than solo, since I can win with that handicap.

Of course there is a reason.  It's a cooperative game where you join forces with others who share an interest in the game and shoot holes through your enemies.  Never is there an implication that you should go solo, for that utterly defeats the purpose of multiplayer.  Yeah, having a full team of sharp players is nice, but even if one or two isn't as experienced or is playing a weaker class, there is no reason to express distain on those premises alone. 

Modifié par MingWolf, 07 avril 2012 - 06:51 .

[GodlessPaladin]

MingWolf wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

MingWolf wrote...

I think some people resent carry others because of their fear of losing. It's the same reason why some people kick certain classes out of a gold match (i.e., Krogan, non SI or Asari Adepts). Not to say that this is always the case, but certainly there are a bunch of people out there who cannot stomach the game without the reasonable backing of a decent team, beefy classes, and beefy weapons.

I can understand the cases where certain team mates don't even try, who hide in a corner and don't even help out. I don't like to carry them either. But for any earnest player who is at least trying, the expression of resentment is uncalled for, in my opinion. Even if they die all the time, you don't have to go out of your way wasting supplies to revive them if it is going to jeopardize the mission. People might not agree with me on this, but I believe it makes a better player to just suck it up and deal with it if certain other players aren't doing as well as you hope. It's just a game, and inevitably, you will win some and lose some. If you can win with a handicap, it makes you even better.

By your argument, there would be no reason for players like me to ever do anything other than solo, since I can win with that handicap.

Of course there is a reason.

  Yes, that's the point.  Your argument is ridiculous because it contradicts the obvious reasons why the implications of your argument are not true.

[MingWolf]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Yes, that's the point.  Your argument is ridiculous because it contradicts the obvious reasons why the implications of your argument are not true.

The only implication from my argument is what, in my opinion, makes the better player in terms of bearing a handicap in the context of carrying certain players.  Playing solo assuming you can win is not the point. 

Your thinking about it way too hard.

[Sargaz]

 thats great carry me some more im afk

[Battlepope190]

It's annoying to have to do literally EVERYTHING because everyone else is so frikken stupid. Sometimes I'd just like to play, not win the entire game every time.

[NOO3TASTIC]

staindgrey wrote...

It's the internet. And assuming you're on XBL, it's even worse. People like to feel "elite".

As long as we aren't losing because of someone not pulling his weight, I don't care. More points for me. If we constantly are wasting our positioning and equipment trying to babysit someone? Then yeah, I'll be upset. Not enough to send a message, but enough to kick if I don't see some improvement.

This...

Modifié par NOO3TASTIC, 07 avril 2012 - 07:13 .

[Unnamed_Shadow]

when you are on wave 10 after a succesful hack and squadmate gets killed *and gets killed in a stupid fashion, like walking on Ravager juice or being caught from behind by a Pyro*, you go there and try to save him and you die then yeah, it gives you a lesson to stop carrying bad players.

I had to revive 25 times one guy one time, luckily my other 2 teammates were good so we got a Partial extraction, but yeah it ruins your fun.

[Bolo Xia]

yes everyone bought the game and can play how they want.

but i bought the game too and i dont have to play with lazy bums.

if you are to low of a level for the difficulty i dont want you on my team.

granted some people are good enough to play higher difficulties with low lvl's, but when playing randoms i dont know you from adam.
so why should i gamble on low levels in randoms?...when i can just wait for a better prospect.

why should i have to do all the work playing as hard as i can so you can bum around being worthless.

if i see a player that is obviously not pulling their weight i will just go die on purpose.
even if its on wave 10 just so they cant get paid while im playing my butt off.

if there is a valid reason, example that they are a biotic detonator then a really low score is fine.
if you are playing your butt off and have a low score because your weapons suck then thats fine too.

this is a team game and if you are going to make others play it for you, why even join a lobby?

if you have a reason to go AFK in the middle of the mission you better be back in 1 or 2 mins or i will suicide. you should of thought about (insert reason here) before you started a mission.

also i dont buy the "my wife's water broke" , "my house is on fire" , or any other extreme reason.

those are just cop outs you are using trying justify you being lazy and cant possibly happen to 99% of the worthless players all day long every day.

my opinion and you dont have to like it. no argument will change my mind vs. lazy bums.
i could say a ton more on the subject, but i fear it would be pointless.

[OzAbri]

"Carrying" players results in starting a Gold mission (pickup) with 3 players having N7 levels around 300 / 500 but playing like asses.

I don't really care playing with new comers, but... when you start gold runs, you want to at least get the three goals so that you can buy something after playing 20 minutes.

Besides that, there's some morons kicking you because you still have a low N7 rank even if you have 100 hours of multiplayer and powerfull weapon AND team spirit.

[Radwar]

Ironically I find the players that aren't as talented are the ones who are the most dedicated team players, always willing to do the impossible to revive or stand by you when you're hacking. Maybe it's because they feel they need to compensate for not being as good with killing the enemy.

Modifié par Radwar, 07 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[kww75]

I personally don't mind carrying a new player or one who is not experienced in a certain setup as long as it's obvious they are trying. As said by others it's carrying "afkers" which is the thing that annoys me, until this weekend I didn't notice any.

Frankly right now just I walked out of a match where a relatively new guy N7 rank 9-11 (11 at the end of the match) went afk from wave 2 and came back at wave 10. then proceeded to talk on the mic asking geth to kill him and then he kept singing and dancing he survived. Wave 11 he runs back to the extraction zone and dies nearby by being stupid. screams to be revived. No appology for being afk and seemed to think it was like super cool he didn't die. I wanted to boot the guy from the group, one of the other players just left and I proceeded to folow suit. If he had appologised for being afk then fine, but to treat it like it was nothing frankly was unacceptable. Sorry not got time for these wastes of space.

[Keymonk]

Sorry if this is a silly question, but... how -do- you even kick people from the game? Can't you only do that in the lobby?

[iAmWhitey]

on gold, i think its understood that the lower scored people are excused if they are an engineer or other support class like that.
ie: The people who strip the shields and put up decoys