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[Celeblhachon]

Ultimately it is pointless to debate it, because no one knows anything about what the DLC actually contains.

[Ronin1325]

Celeblhachon wrote...

Ultimately it is pointless to debate it, because no one knows anything about what the DLC actually contains.

Well we know one thing- It does not contain any new endings.

[Cazlee]

The plotholes can be filled with logical explanations. I've seen a few theories that do the game's story justice and they follow the same thread as mine do. It's unfortunate that so many people have wasted their creativity on IT because instead of trying to make sense of the ending, it is a way of dismissing it in hopes of it being rewritten. The IT never worked on multiple levels. Most importantly, it's not something "Bioware could have run with" because by running with it, Bioware would be admitting that their game was incomplete. They can't do that.  I can't even express how disappointed I am with Angryjoe since I'm such a fan of his.

Modifié par Cazlee, 07 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[Ronin1325]

Cazlee wrote...

The plotholes can be filled with logical explanations. I've seen a few theories that do the game's story justice and they follow the same thread as mine do. It's unfortunate that so many people have wasted their creativity on IT because instead of trying to make sense of the ending, it is a way of dismissing it in hopes of it being rewritten. The IT never worked on multiple levels. Most importantly, it's not something "Bioware could have run with" because by running with it, Bioware would be admitting that their game was incomplete. They can't do that.  I can't even express how disappointed I am with Angryjoe since I'm such a fan of his.

To explain all the plotholes and logical fallacies would be something to see. Just a single example- how would clarifying DLC explain how Sheperd is alive at the best Destroy ending? If He's on the Citadel he won't be alive much longer, he certainly did not survive a fall back down to earth and the transmission beam that took him up isn't working to take him down to earth.

[Cazlee]

The ME story finishes when Shepard uses the crucible. The cutscenes after that are a mess, and they the real problem with the ending (that Bioware has promised to fix). I've seen some theories on why the Normandy ended where it does, or how the green synergy works, but they assume so much that it's probably best to leave the explanations to Bioware.

Modifié par Cazlee, 07 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[CptBomBom00]

Well, Joe is right, and its shame that E.A will milk the Mass Effect 3 for long time, probably like they did with ME2, we will get **** loads of DLC's , but in the end we still won't get the new endings, and then DA3 will come along, and probably same **** will happen.

[Genshie]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Well, Joe is right, and its shame that E.A will milk the Mass Effect 3 for long time, probably like they did with ME2, we will get **** loads of DLC's , but in the end we still won't get the new endings, and then DA3 will come along, and probably same **** will happen.

And what if those dlcs are great like Lair of the Shadow Broker? I guess there is no cure for some people that the last 5-10 minutes of a 40+ hour game recks for them. I am actually excited to see what DA3 will be like since ME3 (without the endings) in terms of gameplay has set a high bar for them to reach.

[Rickin10]

Celeblhachon wrote...

Ultimately it is pointless to debate it, because no one knows anything about what the DLC actually contains.

Did you even read what BW announced?

[Galbrant]

Ah Angry Joe strikes again, but I do still think the indoctrination theory is probable. But we shall see.

[Traim Eisenblut]

Cazlee wrote...

The ME story finishes when Shepard uses the crucible. The cutscenes after that are a mess, and they the real problem with the ending (that Bioware has promised to fix). I've seen some theories on why the Normandy ended where it does, or how the green synergy works, but they assume so much that it's probably best to leave the explanations to Bioware.

Ah yes. Theories how to merge every sentient being without consent into a new liveform with a "new kind of DNA".



Or:

"The reapers dissovle into nanomachines wich than attaches to the DNA-strains of each being in the universe, thus making it partly synthetic... and cure cancer while they are there."

Still reads like

[Cazlee]

No more sillier than how they cured the genophage.

[Erixxxx]

Rickin10 wrote...

Celeblhachon wrote...

Ultimately it is pointless to debate it, because no one knows anything about what the DLC actually contains.

Did you even read what BW announced?

The only detail we got was "no new endings". And apparently that's enough for people to stir up a ****storm over. And why? Because they didn't get exactly what they wanted, even if they don't know what exactly "clarification" means. No one has ANY clue whatsoever on what's gonna be in the damn thing. And yet quite a few vocal people on these forums act as if they have absolute clairvoyance when it comes to the DLC. They clearly know how massively it's gonna suck less than 48 hours after it's been announced.

[bladeZ9d]

im fine with the ending as long as they give me more closure. the reason every one is pissed of and why im a little pised off is because basically all the choices and all of the hours and all of the love i put into the game and no matter how i play it i get the same ending just throwing all the hard choices away like there nothing that's not okay. if they don't make it where our choices matter the fans will get even more enraged. personally i think EA had a hand in this or hope the did. they didn't win Worst Company in America for no reason they earned that tittle.

[Eclipse merc]

This guy is awesome.

[DocDoomII]

Erixxxx wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

Celeblhachon wrote...

Ultimately it is pointless to debate it, because no one knows anything about what the DLC actually contains.

Did you even read what BW announced?

The only detail we got was "no new endings". And apparently that's enough for people to stir up a ****storm over. And why? Because they didn't get exactly what they wanted, even if they don't know what exactly "clarification" means. No one has ANY clue whatsoever on what's gonna be in the damn thing. And yet quite a few vocal people on these forums act as if they have absolute clairvoyance when it comes to the DLC. They clearly know how massively it's gonna suck less than 48 hours after it's been announced.

Derek Larke wrote...
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par DocDoomII, 07 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Erixxxx]

bladeZ9d wrote...

im fine with the ending as long as they give me more closure. the reason every one is pissed of and why im a little pised off is because basically all the choices and all of the hours and all of the love i put into the game and no matter how i play it i get the same ending just throwing all the hard choices away like there nothing that's not okay. if they don't make it where our choices matter the fans will get even more enraged. personally i think EA had a hand in this or hope the did. they didn't win Worst Company in America for no reason they earned that tittle.

****SPOILERS****

Even though there at the surface may appear to be only three choices at the end, there are in fact more. I won't be diving into Control and Synthesis here since I haven't fully experienced those yet, but as for Destroy there are three base endings you can get, depending on your EMS: Low EMS gives a Destroy option that not only shuts the Reapers and all other synthetics down but also torches the Earth, effectively wiping out most of humanity. Medium EMS gives a "good" destroy ending destroys synthetics, but Earth is left intact. And then with max EMS you get Shepard breathing at the end. That alone is three possible outcomes disguised as one.

Now, take into consideration your choice on Rannoch. You choose either the Quarians, the Geth, or both if you've done well enough in previous missions/games. If you saved the Quarians and no one else, Destroy seems to be the logical choice since you won't be wiping anyone out but the Reapers and some synthetics here and there. But as soon as the Geth enters the equation, your choices becomes exceedingly harder. Suddenly you have to balance the survival of an entire species as well, one that you helped uplift to true intelligence no less. And if both Geth and Quarians are still around, choosing Destroy not only wipes out a species, it also severely cripples the Quarians' ability to re-colonize their homeworld.

A lot of people claim that there isn't enough diversity in the endings, however that is not true. Everything you have done in the trilogy is taken into consideration when you have to make the choice of who lives and who dies.

[Erixxxx]

DocDoomII wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

And no one knows exactly what that will entail. Will it be a bit of epilogue text that lasts a minute or two, or will it be a full-fledged 20 minute cinematic that explains everything?

[CroGamer002]

This guy has no idea what the hell is he talking about.

[Traim Eisenblut]

Erixxxx wrote...

DocDoomII wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

And no one knows exactly what that will entail. Will it be a bit of epilogue text that lasts a minute or two, or will it be a full-fledged 20 minute cinematic that explains everything?

Some things, like Starchilds existance, can not simply be "explained".

[kalle90]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

DocDoomII wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

And no one knows exactly what that will entail. Will it be a bit of epilogue text that lasts a minute or two, or will it be a full-fledged 20 minute cinematic that explains everything?

Some things, like Starchilds existance, can not simply be "explained".

VI. The end.

[Traim Eisenblut]

kalle90 wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

DocDoomII wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

And no one knows exactly what that will entail. Will it be a bit of epilogue text that lasts a minute or two, or will it be a full-fledged 20 minute cinematic that explains everything?

Some things, like Starchilds existance, can not simply be "explained".

VI. The end.

Well, you do know that that's not what I meant, right?

[ToaOrka]

I really want to believe the indoc theory, but this new DLC makes that highly unlikely, and I doubt Angry Joe believes it's still plausible that Bioware will confirm it's validity. He's just hoping desperately like some of us that it'll turn out to be true. As for those claiming he's wrong, care to explain how exactly he's wrong?

[Xrissie]

I like Joe's honesty in his reviews, but man this guy is the worst journalist ever. He came completely unprepared to the VGA's and verbally got his ass handed to him for it.

Modifié par Xrissie, 07 avril 2012 - 09:59 .

[Cloudwulf]

What is wrong with angry Joes Comment. In my Eyes he stated it all right. I don´t get my happy end. It will still be a mess. Me playing thru hundreds of hours of the whole Games ist useless, because in the end i  will not be happy. Because exactly as he says, i want a new ending. A happy ending. Thats what i thought i was paying for. Thats what i want. Is this too much for my money i am asking for?

All of you who say he is jumoing to conclusions are wrong in my eyes. There is nothing to jump to when Bioware says: "no new endings" "and we will just add some cutscenes" 
Then thats how it is, and his thougful conclusions are not wrong. Not angry Joe is silly. Bioware is for doing this to the Shepard-Saga.
I am not part of a sh**storm. I am a really sad customer, who would have been so easy to satisfy with a storyboard like Dragon Age had in the ending, about how things would end and a litle cutscene with Shepard and Tali hand in hand at some nice place. Thats it.

Modifié par Cloudwulf, 07 avril 2012 - 10:03 .

[Erixxxx]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

DocDoomII wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

And no one knows exactly what that will entail. Will it be a bit of epilogue text that lasts a minute or two, or will it be a full-fledged 20 minute cinematic that explains everything?

Some things, like Starchilds existance, can not simply be "explained".

Why not? Give me something to work with and I'll try.