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[Erixxxx]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Does it matter anymore? The endings still sucked and our choice still don't matter. ME3, as a whole, still can't be saved.

If it doesn't matter to you, why are you in this thread? If it truly didn't matter to you, you'd be somewhere else instead of sitting on these forums.

[BatmanPWNS]

Erixxxx wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Does it matter anymore? The endings still sucked and our choice still don't matter. ME3, as a whole, still can't be saved.

If it doesn't matter to you, why are you in this thread? If it truly didn't matter to you, you'd be somewhere else instead of sitting on these forums.

Because I have free will and I can post.......... (Plus Boredom)

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 07 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Chrillze]

ME3 can still be saved, but the extended cut will have to be really, really, REALLY good, but I doubt it

[RyuGuitarFreak]

He's right in a lot of things he says, a lot of people say he isn't but doesn't say where he's wrong. Ok. The s*** ending stays and they will only explain why it's s***.

The part where I disagree on him is when he says Bioware were "ordered" by EA to make it so to milk on DLC. No. That was all Bioware IMO, and EA just agreed. And it's silly to believe they made that scenario and an ending so full of plotholes so they can cash in on that. It's just, not believable.
I also completely agree on him that this is damage control. EA/Bioware are losing a huge part of the fanbase in a millionaire IP here and being considered the worst company of America right in the middle of a huge controversy over the most anticipated game of this year. Free DLC for ME3 offerings is something that would make sense for EA in Mass Effect 3 right now.

[digby69]

completely nailed it

[abaris]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

The part where I disagree on him is when he says Bioware were "ordered" by EA to make it so to milk on DLC. No. That was all Bioware IMO, and EA just agreed.

Yup, that's where I also disagree.

I guess it was rather a beancounter with his watch breathing down the necks of the writers.

[snakeoil_sean]

Angry Joe, the voice of the disgruntled consumer.

Agree.

[SalsaDMA]

Erixxxx wrote...

 The AI was then put in charge of directing them throughout the eons and "save" other organic races as they developed to a point where they may be starting to wipe themselves out.

What happened to the 'we put the relays to make you evolve as we planned' ?

I can just see it for me now:

Reaper A: Yo B! We have this issue with how those pesky organics develop.
Reaper B: Org....what?
Reaper A: Organics. You know...
Reaper B: Ah.. yeah.. Sorry, we are each a nation, and our nation dismissed that claim...
Reaper A: ....
Reaper B: Got ya!... he he...
Reaper A: ...
Reaper B: Ok ok. Well... let's see....
Reaper C: THEY EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT: AND THEY WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND SO.
Reaper A: Alrighty Sovy... I think we've heard that one from you enough times by now...
Reaper C OUR EXISTENCE IS BEY...
Reaper A: ENOUGH! Geez... Who let him in....
Reaper B: Ok. Here's the plan. Since they evolve naturally towards a point that is bad, let's plant technology that ensures they will evolve to the 'bad point', and do so faster than they normally would have done.
Reaper A: ...
Reaper B: It's brilliant, isn't it?
Reaper A: Whatever... I'm gonna check out Klendagon and get back to you on that line of thought afterwards...

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

He's right in a lot of things he says, a lot of people say he isn't but doesn't say where he's wrong. Ok. The s*** ending stays and they will only explain why it's s***.

The part where I disagree on him is when he says Bioware were "ordered" by EA to make it so to milk on DLC. No. That was all Bioware IMO, and EA just agreed. And it's silly to believe they made that scenario and an ending so full of plotholes so they can cash in on that. It's just, not believable.
I also completely agree on him that this is damage control. EA/Bioware are losing a huge part of the fanbase in a millionaire IP here and being considered the worst company of America right in the middle of a huge controversy over the most anticipated game of this year. Free DLC for ME3 offerings is something that would make sense for EA in Mass Effect 3 right now.

I agreed with most of it, however, like you said, I didnt agree that the ending was made to be a starting point for future games. At least one of the ending results (without posting spoilers) changes the makeup of every individual of every species drastically. I don't see how they can account for that in a future game.

[Cazychel]

Erixxxx wrote...

That alone is three possible outcomes disguised as one.

Rather: One outcome disguised as three. As is the whole ending.


On other matters: I don't exactly know, why so much flaming on Angry Joe is floating about here. I enjoyed his show and disagreed with his opinions once in a while, but generally his reviews and other vids are entertaining and quite balanced. Sure they are goofy and over the top sometimes, but not unfair or poorly researched (for what I've seen).

I've seen his videos on ME3 and found them really good; entertaining, but also informative and well explained.

And I have felt quite the same, reading the DLC announcement and the FAQ from Bioware. Hope, on the one side, that they really pull it off and hand us extra content that is needed and closes the gap between Biowares vision and the players expectations, but dissapointment on the other hand, as they value their (possibly failed) artistic vision over the massive critique towards the ending. To really mend the lack of connection between the game's style, core motifs and central conflicts and the ending's change of them is a Herculean task, if not a Sisyphean.

On artistic integrity: Simply put, they don't make art, they make products. It can later turn out to be art, but it is not their intention. If they want to make "Art" their new goal, they probably will have to accept that hardly anyone buys their stuff anymore.
But so far they are dependend on satisfied customers (the sole reason, why they release the Extended Cut) and therefore, by economic necessity, cannot afford an ending which alienates the players and keeps them from buying future products (most of all the already planned ME3 DLCs).

All in all though, we will still have to wait, as the marketing blabbering we got so far means, what it meant before: Nothing. With the difference that we now won't be so misty eyed as to believe one word they say, until we see it happen. The only thing they achieved this far, is mistrust and doubt from an once loyal fanbase (which could overlook many, many mistakes and flaws in regards of gameplay mechanics, technical issues and also the limitation of the possible choices).

So far,

Cazy

[Punk4Real]

szkasypcze wrote...

I totally agree with this guy. The IT theory was not only the best thing we could get out of the poor endings, but it was the best thing we could get at all. IT could be the masterpiece. American SCI-FI has never had this kind of intelligent sci-fi. But now it seems that this has been lost. I feel like I was raped. The IT is 100% there. So much evidence, so much logic...and it has been lost. What a shame,

Nevertheless I'm still hoping that someone comes to her/his senses. Afterall, the hope dies last.

I know! The IT theory was so well thought out...but tbh, Bioware couldn't come up with something like that in a million years. We gave them way too much credit. 

[Legion64]

Angry Joe is our God.

[LordDeimos4]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

 The AI was then put in charge of directing them throughout the eons and "save" other organic races as they developed to a point where they may be starting to wipe themselves out.

What happened to the 'we put the relays to make you evolve as we planned' ?

I can just see it for me now:

Reaper A: Yo B! We have this issue with how those pesky organics develop.
Reaper B: Org....what?
Reaper A: Organics. You know...
Reaper B: Ah.. yeah.. Sorry, we are each a nation, and our nation dismissed that claim...
Reaper A: ....
Reaper B: Got ya!... he he...
Reaper A: ...
Reaper B: Ok ok. Well... let's see....
Reaper C: THEY EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT: AND THEY WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND SO.
Reaper A: Alrighty Sovy... I think we've heard that one from you enough times by now...
Reaper C OUR EXISTENCE IS BEY...
Reaper A: ENOUGH! Geez... Who let him in....
Reaper B: Ok. Here's the plan. Since they evolve naturally towards a point that is bad, let's plant technology that ensures they will evolve to the 'bad point', and do so faster than they normally would have done.
Reaper A: ...
Reaper B: It's brilliant, isn't it?
Reaper A: Whatever... I'm gonna check out Klendagon and get back to you on that line of thought afterwards...

Lol this is brilliant!

[Punk4Real]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

 The AI was then put in charge of directing them throughout the eons and "save" other organic races as they developed to a point where they may be starting to wipe themselves out.

What happened to the 'we put the relays to make you evolve as we planned' ?

I can just see it for me now:

Reaper A: Yo B! We have this issue with how those pesky organics develop.
Reaper B: Org....what?
Reaper A: Organics. You know...
Reaper B: Ah.. yeah.. Sorry, we are each a nation, and our nation dismissed that claim...
Reaper A: ....
Reaper B: Got ya!... he he...
Reaper A: ...
Reaper B: Ok ok. Well... let's see....
Reaper C: THEY EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT: AND THEY WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND SO.
Reaper A: Alrighty Sovy... I think we've heard that one from you enough times by now...
Reaper C OUR EXISTENCE IS BEY...
Reaper A: ENOUGH! Geez... Who let him in....
Reaper B: Ok. Here's the plan. Since they evolve naturally towards a point that is bad, let's plant technology that ensures they will evolve to the 'bad point', and do so faster than they normally would have done.
Reaper A: ...
Reaper B: It's brilliant, isn't it?
Reaper A: Whatever... I'm gonna check out Klendagon and get back to you on that line of thought afterwards...

Lol! Thats pretty much what the writers were thinking alright.

[OMTING52601]

Oilking72 wrote...

He's jumping to a lot of assumptions based on the wording of the dlc statement. I personally think he's completely offbase, especially suggesting that the end result is going to be a 10 minute cinema. If it was going to be a 10 minute cinema it would have been out by now.

They're not taking months of effort on this for cinematics.

I think you're absolutely right. They aren't taking months on a cinematic. They have everything they need already available.

They are taking months on a gamble that pushing it's release out so far will leave little furor left to be raised when this DLC releases. The time frame of release has little relative relation to creation of content. In six months, so many people will have completely written off this game and moved on to the next, I guess I hope for BW's sake the gamble pays off. I doubt it will, but it is what it is.

[Artemis_Entrari]

Angry Joe was bang on.

Also, one bit stuck out at me.  The part where he says we gave BioWare too much credit for thinking that maybe, possibly, they're creative enough to come up with something complicated and deep like the Indoctrination Theory.  Instead, they proved their creativity is limited to a nonsensical starchild ending that's no deeper than what we got in the game.

[Chuvvy]

Oilking72 wrote...

Kris69 wrote...

Joke or not, he's right...

No.  He's not.  And neither are you.  Nobody will know a single thing until the content is released.  Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

How can you continue to give bioware the benefit of the doubt? They've lied nonstop for two years, and two releases, DA2, and ME3. I'm honestly curious, I'm not attacking you, I just don't have the capacity to be that optimistic.

[glacier1701]

 I think the vid pretty much sums up what the extended cut dlc will be - not worth bothering with except that it is free (for a limited time). Not saying I agree with his take on how EA interfered with the development (except in overal budget/time) but I think he has the rest nailed down. Oh and I dont support the IT either. Personally makes more sense to me if the game cut from Shep/Anderson sitting/talking to the Destroy ending beam WITHOUT the intervening bit with the Star Child. 

[UntalkativeBunny]

All I hear are assumptions cause he doesn't know and even says "who knows" in the video. Does it disprove IT? No. Is he right? No. Is he wrong? No. Why? Cause he's speculating.

[kbct]

UntalkativeBunny wrote...

All I hear are assumptions cause he doesn't know and even says "who knows" in the video. Does it disprove IT? No. Is he right? No. Is he wrong? No. Why? Cause he's speculating.

He's not speculating without evidence. From the sticky at the top of the forum:

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?"

"No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

There will only be "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes."

[ReavCZ]

Thanks for the link. The guy is right.

Modifié par ReavCZ, 07 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Atmosfear3]

If Bioware's intent was to use the indoctrination theory all along, I'd have cringed but at the same time would still be willing to pay however much and buy the ME3 expansion (because lets face it, you'd need a damn expansion to fully explore the rest of that ending).

With the IT gone, this "consolation" prize will be nothing more than EA/BW unable to save face and admit they went wrong somewhere during development.

Free or not, this DLC doesn't make me an entitled consumer because I didn't like it. You can't wrap turds in gold foil and think people will accept it as candy.

[EHondaMashButton]

Cazlee wrote...

No more sillier than how they cured the genophage.

The genophage cure is at least based on real-life scientific principles, even if its extreeeeeeeeeemly exaggerated.
-Viruses are used as vectors for genetic enginneering, and viruses can be transmitted by airborne droplets

Merging synthetic and organic "DNA" with a beam of energy is magical thinking you'd expect from a child. 

-First, merging synthetics into organics in the mechanism shown amounts to sandblasting us with nanomachines, which would surely kill us let alone how illogical the very idea is.

 -Second, you can't merge organic into synthetic.  They don't reproduce, they are assembled.  They have no DNA.  Best you can do is have 2 independent things sharing one body.

-Third, merging synthetics with organics still doesn't stop people like Xen from making pure synthetic slaves to do their heavy lifting.  Those synthetics can  then rebel, and we're back at square one.

These endings are beyond clarification.

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 07 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[LinksOcarina]

Posted this in another thread regarding Joe...

The problem with Joe is he likes to cater en-masse most of the time, meaning he does "research" on what people think is funny, and brings it to a comical level of cartoonish bravado that, i'll be perfectly honest, I never liked.

But I said too much already since I worked with him before. Basic point is, it's entertainment and hits that is mostly the reason why he is doing this, and it is somewhat upsetting to me that he is continuing too.

[NUM13ER]

He's disappointed the endings remain. He deeply hated the Star Child and loved the IT. It's clearly a cynical take on the upcoming DLC. Yes he is being harsh because no-one knows whats in store come the summer, that's probably why he's being so negative. And I can see why considering we're still not sure what we're getting come summer. I'm hopeful they can produce something better but I can see why others are so pessimistic when the endings they hated are still going to exist in some form.