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Alexander Riker

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It is important thing for all fans of Joker. Long years of waiting for the last part of the game Mass Effect and now got a hard blow to their hearts. Joker fans are very much looking forward to the romance between the Joker and Femele / Male Shepard. For years, drew, invented stories and so forth and now came as a gift from Bioware. Romance between EDI and the Joker. It really did not deserve! And so please all fans of Joker. Sign the petition and save the romance between the Joker and Female / Male Shepard.

URL: www.change.org/petitions/alexander-charles-jeff-sliva-we-want-romance-with-the-joker-and-female-male-shepard
Group:social.bioware.com/group/7052/

Thank you ...
A.C.J.Sliva

Modifié par Alexander Riker, 07 avril 2012 - 02:14 .


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"It is important thing for all fans of Joker." This isn't accurate. There are many, many fans of Joker, only some want to romance him.

Sorry, but if they're not going to change an ending that makes no sense because of 'artistic integrity', there's no way they're going to change one of the major character/romance plotlines in the game (EDI/Joker and how that affects EDI's character growth) just to add in another romance.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Sorry, but if they're not going to change an ending that makes no sense because of 'artistic integrity', there's no way they're going to change one of the major character/romance plotlines in the game (EDI/Joker and how that affects EDI's character growth) just to add in another romance.


Although I dont understand what to do with it ending. When EDI you can easily take him on ground. In addition, I personally will come as meaning that a person who has a serious disease of bone. They go with the person of metal, which he may well destroy the bone. Also there for the female Shepard. Millet were only made ​​two romances(Garrus and Samatha), the rest are bisexual.

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And when he says this man who has Vrolik syndrome that is doing something wrong with them.

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It's coming, we have 67 already signed!

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I wouldn't count EDI/Joker as a plot point that would be game breaking if it were tweaked to allow a romance between Shepard and Joker or even Shepard and EDI. I mean I get that people are a fan of JEDI and that's great, but the whole argument that it's necessary to EDI's growth is silly and rather insulting to both the character of EDI and jokermancers.

EDI is more than just Joker's computer girlfriend, she's sentient and there's more to being self aware than getting a date and falling in love. I mean that's pretty much what Shepard says to her if you choose not to push the relationship, right? Besides, if it were so important and necessary to her growth and the game, bioware wouldn't have given you the choice to shut the two of them down on it.
EDI also has plenty to say about her status as a synthetic life-form particularly if you choose to eliminate the Geth. So in comparison to the EDI/Joker romance I'd say that constitutes as growth and a plot point that's far more important than the sudden romance.
Especially since it comes around right after she acquires Eva Core's body?

I'm also a bit disappointed that the lead-in for said JEDI romance was partly having femshep get shot down in Purgatory. That's just cruel. Why tease it in the first place? I know it's not the only option to pick but still.

There are plenty of ways they could work Joker into a relationship with Shepard, they have the most history together, Shepard chose to save his life and sadly died in the process, Joker has always been honest with Shepard even going so far as to yell at them after the collector attack in 2 and again in ME3. Sure it would be a volatile romance, but if Garrus' trust and respect for Shepard can be either romantic or platonic, then so can Joker's.


And if you don't want to romance him, don't.
But fans will be fans and there are quite a few Jokermancers out there and I happen to be one. ): Though it seems it is a stance that is for some reason frowned upon on these forums. :'D

Personally I would have loved to see an argument arise after the purgatory scene.

And on another note, couldn't hurt to ask or even express the desire to see it happen seeing as the hetero romance options in ME3 are sparse for femshep. :/ Especially if you didn't romance Garrus and left Kaidan to die.

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We'll see how it all ends. :-) We already have 94 signatures!

aedsu wrote...

I wouldn't count EDI/Joker as a plot point that would be game breaking if it were tweaked to allow a romance between Shepard and Joker or even Shepard and EDI. I mean I get that people are a fan of JEDI and that's great, but the whole argument that it's necessary to EDI's growth is silly and rather insulting to both the character of EDI and jokermancers.

EDI is more than just Joker's computer girlfriend, she's sentient and there's more to being self aware than getting a date and falling in love. I mean that's pretty much what Shepard says to her if you choose not to push the relationship, right? Besides, if it were so important and necessary to her growth and the game, bioware wouldn't have given you the choice to shut the two of them down on it.
EDI also has plenty to say about her status as a synthetic life-form particularly if you choose to eliminate the Geth. So in comparison to the EDI/Joker romance I'd say that constitutes as growth and a plot point that's far more important than the sudden romance.
Especially since it comes around right after she acquires Eva Core's body?

I'm also a bit disappointed that the lead-in for said JEDI romance was partly having femshep get shot down in Purgatory. That's just cruel. Why tease it in the first place? I know it's not the only option to pick but still.

There are plenty of ways they could work Joker into a relationship with Shepard, they have the most history together, Shepard chose to save his life and sadly died in the process, Joker has always been honest with Shepard even going so far as to yell at them after the collector attack in 2 and again in ME3. Sure it would be a volatile romance, but if Garrus' trust and respect for Shepard can be either romantic or platonic, then so can Joker's.


And if you don't want to romance him, don't.
But fans will be fans and there are quite a few Jokermancers out there and I happen to be one. ): Though it seems it is a stance that is for some reason frowned upon on these forums. :'D

Personally I would have loved to see an argument arise after the purgatory scene.

And on another note, couldn't hurt to ask or even express the desire to see it happen seeing as the hetero romance options in ME3 are sparse for femshep. :/ Especially if you didn't romance Garrus and left Kaidan to die.



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I have said many times that both Joker and Vega should have been Romance Options for Fem Shepard because as a few have pointed out already there are only 2 Hetero Options for Fem Shepard that being Garrus & Kaiden and both could die during Mass Effect & Mass Effect 2.

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EDI should have remained as a talking vagina on the Normandy. I miss her avatar.

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Joker's an awesome pilot and character, but he always felt like an awesome kid brother than a romantic interest. He's a loyal platonic friend. Besides, his true love is the Normandy and his position as a pilot.

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aedsu wrote...

I wouldn't count EDI/Joker as a plot point that would be game breaking if it were tweaked to allow a romance between Shepard and Joker or even Shepard and EDI. I mean I get that people are a fan of JEDI and that's great, but the whole argument that it's necessary to EDI's growth is silly and rather insulting to both the character of EDI and jokermancers.

EDI is more than just Joker's computer girlfriend, she's sentient and there's more to being self aware than getting a date and falling in love. I mean that's pretty much what Shepard says to her if you choose not to push the relationship, right? Besides, if it were so important and necessary to her growth and the game, bioware wouldn't have given you the choice to shut the two of them down on it.
EDI also has plenty to say about her status as a synthetic life-form particularly if you choose to eliminate the Geth. So in comparison to the EDI/Joker romance I'd say that constitutes as growth and a plot point that's far more important than the sudden romance.
Especially since it comes around right after she acquires Eva Core's body?

I'm also a bit disappointed that the lead-in for said JEDI romance was partly having femshep get shot down in Purgatory. That's just cruel. Why tease it in the first place? I know it's not the only option to pick but still.

There are plenty of ways they could work Joker into a relationship with Shepard, they have the most history together, Shepard chose to save his life and sadly died in the process, Joker has always been honest with Shepard even going so far as to yell at them after the collector attack in 2 and again in ME3. Sure it would be a volatile romance, but if Garrus' trust and respect for Shepard can be either romantic or platonic, then so can Joker's.


And if you don't want to romance him, don't.
But fans will be fans and there are quite a few Jokermancers out there and I happen to be one. ): Though it seems it is a stance that is for some reason frowned upon on these forums. :'D

Personally I would have loved to see an argument arise after the purgatory scene.

And on another note, couldn't hurt to ask or even express the desire to see it happen seeing as the hetero romance options in ME3 are sparse for femshep. :/ Especially if you didn't romance Garrus and left Kaidan to die.

The way it was written in ME3? Yes, it is necessary to EDI's growth. It didn't have to be, but that's the way they wrote it. I'm not saying it was the right decision and I agree that there's more to both of them than that romance, but that's not what we got in the game. They are now intrinsically linked. The majority of her conversations about her humanity include comments regarding Jeff and her feelings for him. These are all conversations that would have to be altered to shoe-horn in a romance with him. Yes, you can discourage them from being together, but even that would have to be altered because it acknowledges the mutual attraction.

At this point, it's unrealistic to think they would add in any new romance, much less one that would require them to rework so much of the game. People seem to be mistaking the ending outcry as some kind of open season, like the whole game is in a state of flux and the devs are ready and eager to change any aspects of their finished product as dictated by any random forum-goer. They're done picking the romances, they were done a year ago. The outcry would have to be massive for them to even consider that kind of hassle and it just isn't. If thousands of people can't convince them to change a terrible ending, an online petition that can't even get a hundred signatures won't get a brand new love interest that alters a major character arc in the established game.

I will say this though; I don't think it's wrong to like 'Shoker', I can certainly see the appeal even if it's not my pairing of choice. I certainly don't think it's wrong to want more options for straight FemShep considering how few she got and what happened to half of them. I'm not trying to make any judgments on what should or should not have been. I'm just saying that realistically, it's not going to happen with Joker. It doesn't matter how many ways it could have worked, that ship has sailed.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 juin 2012 - 09:52 .


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I think they've mentioned before that it's (nearly?) impossible to change what's already happened in the game. So I sincerely doubt even if you got 5000 petitions this would make a difference. Sorry :(

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Curious. Joker specifically states why he's not interested in femShep in Purgatory. Why change that?

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flippedeclipse wrote...

I think they've mentioned before that it's (nearly?) impossible to change what's already happened in the game. So I sincerely doubt even if you got 5000 petitions this would make a difference. Sorry :(


I think it will change. Bioware all the time telling us how it is not and blah blah blah. But it is changed, just that the people from BioWare became rich men, who all, but think of all us fans. So that when we show them that we are still here, so it can change. 

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ReggarBlane wrote...

Curious. Joker specifically states why he's not interested in femShep in Purgatory. Why change that?


You have to be a fan of the Joker, you understand it and not a fan of EDI.

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ReggarBlane wrote...

Curious. Joker specifically states why he's not interested in femShep in Purgatory. Why change that?


Why is it cool that only FemShep gets rejected by someone she's interested in?  Bioware has treated the idea of a straight FemShep who isn't interested in Garrus or Kaidan like a cruel joke.  Can you give me a reason why it's okay for straight FemShep to have her heart stomped on at almost every opportunity, while that doesn't happen to MaleShep or a FemShep who is interested in women?

I know they're not going to add a Vega romance, fix the Jacob and Thane romances, make Garrus available to new players, take the word "cheat" out of Kaidan's vocabulary, or dump the new creepy pervert Joker out the airlock, but perhaps if people are loud about their complaints regarding the treatment of straight female player characters in ME3, Bioware will keep this stuff in mind when writing new games.

Seriously, whenever people try to shoot down other people's completely valid complaints about how straight FemShep was treated in ME3, it smacks of "screw you, I got mine."  If you're happy with the game, and don't have any issues, good for you, but that doesn't invalidate other people's feelings.

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syllogi wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Curious. Joker specifically states why he's not interested in femShep in Purgatory. Why change that?


Why is it cool that only FemShep gets rejected by someone she's interested in?

Well, MaleShep can get rejected by Traynor, and both-gendered Sheps get rejected by Samara.

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Do not want. :crying:

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I still need a 6-signature. :/ And I dont know where to come by. Do you have any idea anyone?

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Hello all fans of Joker.

Today is the most important of all. Why? Since my petition for a romance between Joker and Shepard have 100 signatures. Which means that we have the full number of signatures! You can be sure of that yourself.
---> http://www.change.or...le-male-shepardI would like to thank all the people for their support and most of those who were not afraid to show up and sign the petition, but now comes the largest and heaviest part. And pass it on BioWare. If you want something to say for myself, so I write here and if you have an idea, too, who do I send you also write.

So thank you, once again all!
Alexander Charles Jeff Sliva

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Hello all fans of Joker.

So, I finished a letter to Bioware and I thought it would be good to add pictures with Joker and Shepard. So all that I wanted to ask people whether they did picture wit Joker and Shepard. It may well be older. It can be hand-painted, digital, or made ​​it in any editor such as Garry's mod or xnalara and next. I take each picture, whether you have a good or bad. Hilarious or foiled. All I will send them there. Only one condition and that it has been shown to Joker and Shepard, and their romance. Selecting images to next tuesday - 24.7.2012. Links to watch my pictures here in the comments. Thank you.

Trust me people. We can do it!
A.C.J.Slíva

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I actually don't approve of the petition... as much as I waited for a Joker romance (either female or male) it wouldn't make sense now.

Modifié par Rubios, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:29 .


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Yes Bioware please support this!

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Yes, that's JUST what my off-and-on obsession with Seth Green needs. /sarc

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BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I have said many times that both Joker and Vega should have been Romance Options for Fem Shepard because as a few have pointed out already there are only 2 Hetero Options for Fem Shepard that being Garrus & Kaiden and both could die during Mass Effect & Mass Effect 2.


Just because they can die during ME1 and 2 doesn´t mean they have to. If you don´t want them to die then don´t let them.