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[Bhatair]

I think they knew it was always going to come back to Earth at some point but they weren't specifically gathering the army just for the purpose of taking it back. It just ended up that way when the Citadel was moved there, since they needed it for the Crucible to work.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

DubVee12 wrote...
I really am, but without Shepard "There won't be an Earth (and therefore a human race) left to save."

Don't remember him saying thing in braces 
Also, I think this is quote from a trailer?
Again - if you have to make third-party person try to explain the narrative, its not very good narrative.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 08 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Flextt]

I think every race has the strongest ties to their homeworld. Culturally, economically, politically. It's where you ultimately came from. And actually, Earth IS quite beautiful.

But yeah, I always found the explanations given for the focus on Earth a bit sketchy, same with Cerberus.

[DubVee12]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...
I really am, but without Shepard "There won't be an Earth (and therefore a human race) left to save."

Don't remember him saying thing in braces 
Also, I think this is quote from a trailer?
Again - if you have to make third-party person try to explain the narrative, its not very good narrative.

The part in braces is implied since most (11 billion people) of the human race is still on Earth, and if the Reapers destroy Earth....
Yes, it is from a trailer, but I think you can gather Shepard being the only hope for humanity in the game, or at least I did.

[Sgt Stryker]

Ser Bard wrote...

The Take Back Earth shtick should have stayed PR BS where it belonged.

The meeting with the council is a joke; why would they, should they weaken their own defences to save Earth?
Shepard should have just asked for resources for building the Crucible and they provide the bare minimum (a team of asari/salarian scientists and raw materials). Shepard then points out with the number of humans now available to them the Reapers will have a new capital ship within a year and humanity will be done as a viable species.

Later Shepard and Udina have a proper strategy meeting where they discuss the keepers and the Citadel as a control switch referencing relevant plots of the previous games. Which Sparatus/Quentius interrupts with a request for Shepard to retrieve the Primarch dangling the possibility of military support for the Alliance.

Sol should have had focus because it's the Reapers' staging area not because of Earth.

You mean, have an actual discussion of politics/strategy where the politicians and the military actually try to get something done, rather than rehashing the same tired, old "political BS" cliche?

[Wulfram]

DubVee12 wrote...

I thought it was pretty clear throughout the game that Earth is on its own, until Shepard can fix the problems on the other species homeworlds.

Except of course Shepard doesn't fix the problems on the other species homeworlds.  Going by Garrus' dialogue, Palaven is basically abandoned to focus on the attack on Earth, while the Asari fleets are there for Shepard despite Thessia's fall.

[wright1978]

Garlador wrote...

I don't care for earth. Why should I? I was a Spacer. I never visited Earth.

It's like saying I should care about politics and in-fighting in Turkey just because I have Turkish blood in my veins.

I have no emotional connection to Turkey. I was born in Japan, raised in America. I don't really care about Turkey because it's a place I've only visited. It's like being told you have a distant, distant cousin who got arrested; sorry to hear that, but, so what?

My Shepard has spent more time on Noveria and Illium than he has on Earth. There are hundreds of planets out there that humans are colonizing. Earth is basically just a country at this point in the grand scheme of things, and it's not even Shepard's country. If the war was about Earth, he'd be fighting someone else's war; it's only due to the fact that Reapers hate everyone equally that he'll care about Earth.

Long rant short, I hate earth. I'd prefer to settle on Rannoch, even if the dextro-food would suck.

Yeah this. If they wanted to have the final battle at earth, fine. Just have the plot force us to Earth. This take back earth stuff was nonsense.

[DubVee12]

Wulfram wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

I thought it was pretty clear throughout the game that Earth is on its own, until Shepard can fix the problems on the other species homeworlds.

Except of course Shepard doesn't fix the problems on the other species homeworlds.  Going by Garrus' dialogue, Palaven is basically abandoned to focus on the attack on Earth, while the Asari fleets are there for Shepard despite Thessia's fall.

Yes of course, that wasn't what I was arguing. I was simply saying that its pretty clear Earth is alone without Shepard's help.

[OblivionDawn]

Because every decent Sci-Fi game's ending has something to do with Earth.

Just look at Halo 3.

[weltraumhamster89]

Silmane wrote...

It was just poor writing all around. A few of the characters got treated well, but most of it is just weak compared to the rest of the series.

You can't really sell and market a game about liberating a galaxy. Not yet. I think this has to do with some EA string pulling from the top.

This game(Bar the ending) feels like a chapter from the "Reaper War" and that there should be more to come. I know there WONT be, but that's what this game feels like. There's just so much more to do.

Being Spacer was cool and all in Mass Effect 1, but your background is irrelevant in ME3, as you already pointed out. Other than being told that your mother is working on the Crucible. Big deal.

Agreed 100%.

[megabug7]

I felt the entire Earth Mission out of place and at some points I didn't feel like I was playing Mass Effect

I would have found it more appropriate to have the final mission on Thessia (with the Citadel hovering over that planet).

It would have made more sense in the Mass Effect universe

The asari, native to the planet Thessia, are often considered the most powerful and respected sentient species in the known galaxy. This is partly due to the fact the asari were the first race after the Protheans to achieve interstellar flight, and to discover and inhabit the Citadel.

Oh well.....

[lillitheris]

I'm about to start using bad words here.

Why is it so hard to understand that you shouldn't dictate how others' Shepards should and shouldn't feel about Earth?!

You all make AWESOME cases for why Shepard should care. But. It. Does. Not. Matter. If someone else feels that their Shepard doesn't, it's a perfectly valid character decision.

I really, really just don't understand what is so hard about the concept that the player should be able to choose whether Shepard does or not, especially when A) it requires no changes to the actual plot and doesn't affect anyone else's game? Can anyone explain it?

[Mr Indivisible]

Erixxxx wrote...

It's the human homeworld, Shepard's homeworld (spacer or not). The other races are similarly invested in their own homeworld and what stuff done there before they commit themselves to Earth. It's only natural in my mind that species worry about their own possessions the most.

Which would work if the past two games didnt let you decide where shepard stood morally, human or galaxy. 

Thus, the game derps because all shepards where pushing into the same canon character, we lost our personal input.

[zennyrpg]

lillitheris wrote...

I'm about to start using bad words here.

Why is it so hard to understand that you shouldn't dictate how others' Shepards should and shouldn't feel about Earth?!

You all make AWESOME cases for why Shepard should care. But. It. Does. Not. Matter. If someone else feels that their Shepard doesn't, it's a perfectly valid character decision.

I really, really just don't understand what is so hard about the concept that the player should be able to choose whether Shepard does or not, especially when A) it requires no changes to the actual plot and doesn't affect anyone else's game? Can anyone explain it?

+1

More dialog options would have allowed everyone a chance to RP how their shepard felt.

I know it didn't mean squat- but when Ashley asked why i joined the alliance in ME1... I really liked that scene.  Finally I got to RP shepard a little.

[Sgt Stryker]

Garlador wrote...
My Shepard has spent more time on Noveria and Illium than he has on Earth. There are hundreds of planets out there that humans are colonizing. Earth is basically just a country at this point in the grand scheme of things, and it's not even Shepard's country. If the war was about Earth, he'd be fighting someone else's war; it's only due to the fact that Reapers hate everyone equally that he'll care about Earth.

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. I don't think there are hundreds of human colonies. Dozens would be a more accurate figure, and their populations are not very large compared to the total population of Earth. I know the wiki's list isn't necessarily exhaustive, but it lists only 60 or so worlds, and many of these have small populations. Even the bigger ones like Eden Prime, Terra Nova, and Bekenstein have populations below 10 million, each. Therefore it seems reasonable to assume that the total number of humans living off-world can't exheed a few hundred million. I would say it would be more appropriate to think of Earth as Europe in the Age of Discovery, and the colonies are like North and South America.

The vast majority of people do still live on Earth. Lose Earth, and in an optimistic scenario we would become a client state similar to the volus. In a worst-case scenario we either share the fate of the quarians or become completely extinct.

[Aiyie]

This one did kinda throw me.

I mean, shepard being shepard is pretty influential... but enough to make the Asari think that defending Earth was more important than defending Thessia?

Or the Turians and Krogan to give priority to liberating Earth before liberating Palaven or Tuchanka?

I don't buy it.

Then again, I'm the cynical sort who believes all decisions made by a sentient being are ultimately rooted in selfishness.  The soldier who throws himself on the grenade does it because, at his core, he fears the guilt and shame he'd suffer if he didn't, sort of thing.

[AshirahTSparkle]

Plot holes plot holes.

How did the planet of the most advanced race (Asari) fall to a small Reaper force while Earth lasted so long (Earth was the first to be attacked after Batarian homeworld), despite having the largest concentration of Reapers surrounding Earth compared to Thessia or other systems?

Doesn't really make sense now. They could have fleshed out the reason Earth was focused, but they totally missed it.

[megabug7]

It would have been great if they could let us choose based on certain decisions you took on which planet the final battle would take place.

Thessia (asari)
Palavan (turian)
Tuchanka (krogan)
Kahje (hanar/drell)
Khar'shan (batarian)
Irune (volus)
Dekuuna (elcor)
Suen (rachni)
Earth (human)

Would have added more variety too

Modifié par megabug7, 09 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[Avissel]

"Why is the final battle on earth?"

Because that's where the Reapers take the Citadel

"Why did that take it there?"
Because that is where the bulk of their forces are.

"Why would you attack the bulk of their forces?"

You can't win against the Reaper straight up no matter what, using the crucible is on the only option. Doing hit and run strikes against smaller reaper forces makes YOUR main force weaker while not really doing much to THEIR main force.

"Why would you the other races abandon their home worlds to help earth?"
Again, you need the crucible and the catalyst to win. Those things are at earth. It makes no sense to defend your planet when you KNOW you will lose rather than to go after the one chance of have of winning.
You couldn't have won World War II if Russia and America had just defended their borders.

Modifié par Avissel, 09 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[Reznore57]

I agree with the OP.
I was talking about it like two days ago on the French BSN.
Some people agreed , others don't.
I never felt my Shep was obsessed with earth.
And in ME3 , when you're on the moon of Palaven , i just had to facepalm.
Turians dying all around trying to keep their planet from the Reapers , and here goes the hero : "HEy give me your army , I need to save Earth".
I was expecting the Primach to laugh at her face , i know i would.

It was a disappointment , i thought Shepard main goal could have been to save the Galaxy , and not putting a priority on Earth.
It didn't make sense neither , the alliance fleet had retreat , the clever thing to do ,IMHO was saving palaven firt.They have the better army and fleet.Putting the pressure off of them at first would have help a lot and set an exemple of "we need to stand together to win this".

But some people told me , Shepard is military , if he didn't hold onto his planet, his crew and the alliance would have mutiny...
I hardly believe it but whatever.

[Peer of the Empire]

Y would his major priority be anything else

You know if he doesn't save Earth Earth is gone right



I have my reservations about keeping Earth myself but right now it may still be the center of producive humanity.  Plus perfect gravity

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 09 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[Ctserber]

I always figured that one of the major dilemma's of the game would be choosing to save Earth at the risk of failing to defeat the Reaper's or some such, that by the end of the game we'd have to sacrifice Earth (and turn humanity into an endangered species,) in order to defeat the Reapers.

Guess not.

[lillitheris]

All'y'all just trolling now, right?

[Axialbloom]

It has 95-99% of humans on it.

Shephard was not building the fleet, etc to take back Earth in the game. Udina wanted to do that, though. If the Citadel had not moved, the fleet would have gone there.

[Ad_Hoc]

For me its willing suspension of disbelief. Most logical choice for the Reapers would be to capture Citadel and disable Mass relays, defeating races one by one, but then there would be no game.

Same goes for 'take back Earth', its just easier for us to relate to Earth.