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[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Erixxxx wrote...

It's the human homeworld, Shepard's homeworld (spacer or not). The other races are similarly invested in their own homeworld and what stuff done there before they commit themselves to Earth. It's only natural in my mind that species worry about their own possessions the most.

Sounds unpleasantly speciocentric... I think such mindset should't be forced on all variations of Shepard's, especially on avatar of virtue ones.

[naddaya]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

It's the human homeworld, Shepard's homeworld (spacer or not). The other races are similarly invested in their own homeworld and what stuff done there before they commit themselves to Earth. It's only natural in my mind that species worry about their own possessions the most.

Sounds unpleasantly speciocentric... I think such mindset should't be forced on all variations of Shepard's, especially on avatar of virtue ones.

Even on the most pragmatic ones. Hell, the whole galaxy is falling apart.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Ziggeh wrote...

Heh, to quote Carl Sagan:

"Our remote descendants, safely arrayed on many worlds throughout the Solar System and beyond, will be unified by their common heritage, by their regard for their home planet, and by the knowledge that, whatever other life may be, the only humans in all the Universe come from Earth. They will gaze up and strain to find the blue dot in their skies. They will love it no less for its obscurity and fragility. They will marvel at how vulnerable the repository of all our potential once was, how perilous our infancy, how humble our beginnings, how many rivers we had to cross before we found our way."

My ancestors came from cradles of humankind like Africa. I don't have particularly strong affection to this place on the globe though.

[Leonia]

I didn't feel this way at all, there were times when I was scratching my head wondering what all that "Take Earth Back" mumbo jumbo was all about and my Shepard was Earthborn (though that is probably why she wasn't eager to go back). I am disappointed that we didn't get to help the other theatres of war progress once we had moved on past certain priority missions but the game was always advertised as "Fight the Reapers, the final show down is at Earth!" so that wasn't overly surprising. It's not like Shepard talks at length about Earth at any given time so I'm rather confused on why the OP feels this way.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Even on the most pragmatic ones. Hell, the whole galaxy is falling apart.

Yeah, from pragmatic standpoint, also little sense - why rush, especially when stakes are survival of whole advanced life or something wierd if Crucible is not what it appears to be? Hell, they even agree about it with Liara - "will be good to know we are not kids playing with a loaded gun".

[Erixxxx]

m_k wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

It's the human homeworld, Shepard's homeworld (spacer or not). The other races are similarly invested in their own homeworld and what stuff done there before they commit themselves to Earth. It's only natural in my mind that species worry about their own possessions the most.

Shepard's goal is to stop the Reapers, not save Earth. Stop the Reapers for the entire galaxy.

The ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most. It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a corner.

[KennyAshes]

Aye, I agree. I still stick to blowing up the sol relay (not hard as it should be a moon of one of the planets (so let it crash into the planet) and then use the fleet as guerilla warfare. Target the smaller groups of reapers first forcing them to unite into larger groups (which benefits us as we get more unoccupied resources/time/people available).
We have the galaxy at our disposal at the moment. They have to conquer and fight for every step of the way.

[Leonia]

At some point you have to accept that the Crucible is the magic bullet and deploying it is the only way to win, regardless of how past cycles handled the Reapers. The game gives us no other options and the situation is desperate. If that means deploying it above Earth (because you need the Catalyst/Citadel to go with it), then so be it. We can argue until we're blue in the face about fighting the Reapers conventionally but that's not what the plot had in mind.

[Erixxxx]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

It's the human homeworld, Shepard's homeworld (spacer or not). The other races are similarly invested in their own homeworld and what stuff done there before they commit themselves to Earth. It's only natural in my mind that species worry about their own possessions the most.

Sounds unpleasantly speciocentric... I think such mindset should't be forced on all variations of Shepard's, especially on avatar of virtue ones.

Even the asari, those who pride themselves on openmindedness and being on the level, don't pledge their support until rather late into the battle. They're willing to sit out because a krogan is invited to a war summit. That should tell you something about the true core of their species.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Erixxxx wrote...

The ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most. It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a corner.

Was the majority of human population concentrated on Earth? I don't remember lore affirming this position.
In fact, the whole point of space colonization is disperse your species enough so you shrug away if something happens to your homeworld.

[llandwynwyn]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...


Also I don't quite understand why Shepard with Colonist/ Spacer background has such strong, almost irrational, emotional attachment to Earth.

All Shepard served on Earth for a time. In fact, ME1 starts with Shep leaving Earth. Why wouldn't s/he care that humanity home planet is getting destroyed? Now that would be illogical.

[naddaya]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...


Also I don't quite understand why Shepard with Colonist/ Spacer background has such strong, almost irrational, emotional attachment to Earth.

All Shepard served on Earth for a time. In fact, ME1 starts with Shep leaving Earth. Why wouldn't s/he care that humanity home planet is getting destroyed? Now that would be illogical.

It's not illogical when THE WHOLE GALAXY is at stake.

Erixxxx wrote...

The
ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers
completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most.
It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a
corner.

I understand the overall reactions (of the other races, the military, politicians etc) but not Shepard's. Because he/she knows better. And Spectres fight for the stability and preservation of every species.

Modifié par m_k, 07 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

leonia42 wrote...

At some point you have to accept that the Crucible is the magic bullet and deploying it is the only way to win, regardless of how past cycles handled the Reapers. The game gives us no other options and the situation is desperate. If that means deploying it above Earth (because you need the Catalyst/Citadel to go with it), then so be it. We can argue until we're blue in the face about fighting the Reapers conventionally but that's not what the plot had in mind.

Why then Shepard so frantically pushes for acquisition of war fleets to liberate Earth right from the start? He can't know either that Citatel is Catalyst or it will be teleported to Earth later.
Sometimes it looks a lot like "my friend Anderson is still fighting there, I saw child dying here and don't want more of them die", and looks like it clouds his judement with personal feelings. Which is kind of contradictory, when same person starts pushing standpoint about how not self-interested he is and thinks for everybody in the galaxy.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 07 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[Leonia]

If anyone is Earth-focused it's Hackett and he sends the orders to Shepard so if you're looking for someone to blame.. there you go.

[Erixxxx]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

The ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most. It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a corner.

Was the majority of human population concentrated on Earth? I don't remember lore affirming this position.
In fact, the whole point of space colonization is disperse your species enough so you shrug away if something happens to your homeworld.

Terra Nova has a little over 4 million people, and that is the most successful human colony to date. Assuming that Eden Prime, the second-most successful colony, has 1-2 million people, that is still a very small amount compared to the 11.4 billion people living on Earth. Humanity has only had access to the relay for 30 years, it's limited how much they have been able to spread out in that time.

[Leonia]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

The ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most. It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a corner.

Was the majority of human population concentrated on Earth? I don't remember lore affirming this position.
In fact, the whole point of space colonization is disperse your species enough so you shrug away if something happens to your homeworld.

Humanity hasn't had enough time to establish flourishing colonies like the other races, they have a few but they aren't that big. The Codex and planetary descriptions all point to Earth being the most populated world for humans with about 11 billion or so.

[Clive Howlitzer]

It is just lazy writing. I never got the whole Earth focus beside the fact we are all from Earth and thus, are supposed to care more.

[tvman099]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

I believe earth is just one of hundredth of human worlds, no?

Incorrect. The only major human colonies that we know of are Eden Prime, Terra Nova, and Bekenstein. Terra Nova only has a few million people and Eden Prime is made out to sound even less populated than that (limited development, emphasis on agriculture). Bekenstein's population is similar to Terra Nova's. There are a few dozen other human colonies around but all of them are really tiny.

99% of the human race still lives on Earth. Remember that humans have only had mass effect drives and access to the relays for around 30 years.

Modifié par tvman099, 07 avril 2012 - 12:30 .

[Erixxxx]

m_k wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

The
ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers
completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most.
It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a
corner.

I understand the overall reactions (of the other races, the military, politicians etc) but not Shepard's. Because he/she knows better. And Spectres fight for the stability and preservation of every species.

And he does so too. However, being biased when seeing your own homeworld getting invaded by huge sentient machines that want to harvest your people is only natural to me.

[wright1978]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...


Also I don't quite understand why Shepard with Colonist/ Spacer background has such strong, almost irrational, emotional attachment to Earth.

I didn'tlike the strong emotional attachment autoshep reflected. One of the problems of so much autodialogue unfortunately.

[Leonia]

wright1978 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...


Also I don't quite understand why Shepard with Colonist/ Spacer background has such strong, almost irrational, emotional attachment to Earth.

I didn'tlike the strong emotional attachment autoshep reflected. One of the problems of so much autodialogue unfortunately.

And people complained that Shepard wasn't emotional enough in ME2. When is the balance ever going to be perfect for everybody?

Modifié par leonia42, 07 avril 2012 - 12:29 .

[naddaya]

Erixxxx wrote...

m_k wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

The
ultimate goal for all races in the galaxy is to stop the Reapers
completely, and yet they still care about their own homeworlds the most.
It's only natural. Survival instinct kicks in when pushed into a
corner.

I understand the overall reactions (of the other races, the military, politicians etc) but not Shepard's. Because he/she knows better. And Spectres fight for the stability and preservation of every species.

And he does so too. However, being biased when seeing your own homeworld getting invaded by huge sentient machines that want to harvest your people is only natural to me.

The problem is that we weren't given a choice. My Shepard never showed
any particular interest in Earth in the past two games. It made no
sense to start now.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

And people complained that Shepard wasn't emotional enough in ME2. When is the balance ever going to be perfect for everybody?

When dialog trees stop being pruned to barren trunk and reflect stats gathered on your character to this point? Ah, the times of text-only dialogue...

[Doomhams]

Well, Harbinger was on Earth and Earth had the largest reaper force in the galaxy present. Hit the enemies' strongest force when your fresh so you can beat it instead of having to face it when you are withered and weary.

Also, their advertising tagline "TAKE EARTH BACK!" wouldn't have made as much such (still doesn't make sense in light of the endings).

[Erixxxx]

leonia42 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...


Also I don't quite understand why Shepard with Colonist/ Spacer background has such strong, almost irrational, emotional attachment to Earth.

I didn'tlike the strong emotional attachment autoshep reflected. One of the problems of so much autodialogue unfortunately.

And people complained that Shepard wasn't emotional enough in ME2. When is the balance ever going to be perfect for everybody?

Never, as seen quite clearly over the last month on these forums.