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[Dean_the_Young]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard's pro-Human bias has been a constant throughout the series, much like Shepard's steadfast opposition to the Reapers and then how Shepard was willing to work with Cerberus in ME2. All Paragon/Renegade in ME1 shaped was what sort of pro-Human advocate your Shepard was.

True, Shepard's dialog throughout has been pro-human, that doesn't have to mean pro-earth though.  As far as we know, colonist and spacer shepard have never even set foot on earth untill the start of ME3.  Unless there's something I've missed, which is entirely possible.

Earth is over 99% of Humanity. Without it, Humanity is nothing but a memory.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

As far as strategically yes we could wait but we already knew they were trying to make a human reaper. More likely why their forces are so concentrated on earth is to work on making another human reaper. If we wait, another human reaper (or several) would be created and they would just get stronger.

How much time it will take them to create this human reaper, and how much difference will it make considering their numbers here already? Reapers on Palaven suffered drawbacks, with Krogan aid only, similar thing (attrition) could've being done on other major theaters of war.
We know we can't beat them by strength anyway, all we can do is to give us much time as possible for Crucible to work *properly*. Not like "we made it, but key component is not here, so let's just play russian rulette".

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Earth is over 99% of Humanity. Without it, Humanity is nothing but a memory.

Sorry, this does sound too emotionally charged. Humans always could've pulled the Quarians to large extent (they had enough ships and resources to preserve enough of the gene pool and ensure race survival).

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 07 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[GeoFukari]

I would have gladly give up earth to save the Galaxy.

[General User]

Liberating Earth WAS the key to victory. The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper, Earth was the focus of the Reaper attack. Shepard's focusing on Earth and humanity in turn is entirely justified.

On the other hand, Liara constantly wringing her hands over Thessia got on my nerves to no end. It's like the war wasn't real to her until it happened to asari.  Her "maybe next time we go to war the Alliance will spring for air support" line was particularly vexing.

She's not racist. At least not really. It's just that a sense of their own superiority is part of the asari cultural baggage that even Liara carries around.

Modifié par General User, 07 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[Transgirlgamer]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard's pro-Human bias has been a constant throughout the series, much like Shepard's steadfast opposition to the Reapers and then how Shepard was willing to work with Cerberus in ME2. All Paragon/Renegade in ME1 shaped was what sort of pro-Human advocate your Shepard was.

True, Shepard's dialog throughout has been pro-human, that doesn't have to mean pro-earth though.  As far as we know, colonist and spacer shepard have never even set foot on earth untill the start of ME3.  Unless there's something I've missed, which is entirely possible.

Earth is over 99% of Humanity. Without it, Humanity is nothing but a memory.

JUst asking, where did you get the over 99% number from?  With having human colonies and humans on the citadel and, presumably on non-human dominated planets throughout the galaxy and not forgetting the ship based human populations, over 99% seems somewhat high to me.  If you have cannonical sources for the number then I'll happily agree that the number's right.  Although my Shepard still won't personally prefer Earth over anywhere else.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Earth is over 99% of Humanity. Without it, Humanity is nothing but a memory.

EDIT: lol, misunderstood you for a second.

I don't see how this can be true. There are humans all over the place. If the NPCs are any indication, two-thirds of everyone on the Citadel alone were human.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 07 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

 The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper

Huh?

[xAmilli0n]

This is an interesting question. I think it has to do with Earth still being the center of human civilization (compare the population of Earth to the other alien homeworlds). Plus it is the human homeworld, and no one would want to see it destroyed (Liara reacts the same way with Thessia).

However, I don't think it is Shepard's guiding force. It may be a motivation, but Shep knows that first you stop the Reapers, then you save Earth. The final battle could have been anywhere, but the devs put it on Earth do add some extra dramatic effect.

[SealKudos]

ryuasiu wrote...

This. Also he was pretty upset watching Thessia falling to the reapers. Shepard was pretty ********* when joker made that joke that they needed less dancers and more comandos

Yup, this.

Shepard was pretty freakin' bummed when Thessia was lost.

What you have to remember, is that Earth is ground zero in the galactic war.  They rammed straight into it, and took it no problem.  Sur'Kesh had not been hit yet, or Thessia.  Palavan was being hit hard, but they had some defense in it.  I believe Tuchanka was holding well enough, too.  Earth, during all of this, was getting decimated.

So yeah, Shepard may have really wanted to save Earth at first first just for obvious reasons, but after the war continued, and after Thessia, I believe he wanted to save it so he could really just regroup the humans and start working on the other planets.

[Transgirlgamer]

General User wrote...

Liberating Earth WAS the key to victory. The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper, Earth was the focus of the Reaper attack. Shepard's focusing on Earth and humanity is entirely justified.

Not really.  The reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest all races.  Their goals haven't changed.  We don't know why there was only a human reaper at the collector base in ME2.  In fact, we don't know that there was only a human reaper at the collector base.  It was a big place after all.  It's quite possible that, since we were working with Cerberus, a pro-human organisation regarded by the council as terrorists, they didn't tell us that non-human colonies where being harvested.  Or maybe they were trying to deal with them themselves.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

SealKudos wrote...

What you have to remember, is that Earth is ground zero in the galactic war.  They rammed straight into it, and took it no problem.  Sur'Kesh had not been hit yet, or Thessia.

You haven't being paying attention, Batarians were hit first and ground zero. But - who cares about them, nobody likes them anyway, right? 

[General User]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

 The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper

Huh?

Yep.  We all know that Reapers harvest the organic races for a Reaper each cycle.  The races they judge superior are given the highest priority.  Due in no small part to Shepard and the Alliance's role in taking down Sovereign, the Reapers judged humanity the most superior of the organic races, and thus the most worthy of "ascension."

[Transgirlgamer]

SealKudos wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

This. Also he was pretty upset watching Thessia falling to the reapers. Shepard was pretty ********* when joker made that joke that they needed less dancers and more comandos

Yup, this.

Shepard was pretty freakin' bummed when Thessia was lost.

What you have to remember, is that Earth is ground zero in the galactic war.  They rammed straight into it, and took it no problem.

They rammed straight into earth, after taking over Batarian space first.

Plus, even by the time you get to the citadel for the first time, Palavan't been hit pretty damn hard and they have the largest fleet out of any of the council races.

Modifié par Transgirlgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 02:09 .

[Icesong]

General User wrote...

Liberating Earth WAS the key to victory. The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper, Earth was the focus of the Reaper attack. Shepard's focusing on Earth and humanity in turn is entirely justified.

On the other hand, Liara constantly wringing her hands over Thessia got on my nerves to no end. It's like the war wasn't real to her until it happened to asari.  Her "maybe next time we go to war the Alliance will spring for air support" line was particularly vexing.

She's not racist. At least not really. It's just that a sense of their own superiority is part of the asari cultural baggage that even Liara carries around.

I don't agree but I agree with your liking of Honor Harrington. :happy:

[General User]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

General User wrote...

Liberating Earth WAS the key to victory. The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper, Earth was the focus of the Reaper attack. Shepard's focusing on Earth and humanity is entirely justified.

Not really.  The reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest all races.  Their goals haven't changed.  We don't know why there was only a human reaper at the collector base in ME2.  In fact, we don't know that there was only a human reaper at the collector base.  It was a big place after all.  It's quite possible that, since we were working with Cerberus, a pro-human organisation regarded by the council as terrorists, they didn't tell us that non-human colonies where being harvested.  Or maybe they were trying to deal with them themselves.

It's true.  Of all the races the Reapers had a special interest in humanity.  Thus Earth faced the brunt of first the Reaper's attack, then the Reaper's harvesting efforts.  Why do you think the Reapers, after siezeing the Citadel choose to consolidate their forces around Earth and not, say, Palaven, or Thessia?

[Cadeym]

There were 17 billion humans on Earth (can't remember where it was mentionend). The Reapers are capable of harvesting something like 2-4 million people each day, maybe even less the first few weeks. Saving the other worlds is the only sane thing to do. There are far more Asari and Turians than there are humans (or so I assume since the Turians have existed for 15 thousand years).

Waiting a month or more would not be the extinction of mankind and the other races could easily build alot more ships in that timeframe. Thessia has the most concentrated amount of eezo and the Turians are obviously very capable of building alot of ships. The Alliance fleet left the sol system, which makes me wonder why it wasn't helping the Turians.

Again not locking down the mass relays is a major plot hole if you ask me.

P.S. Yea the Reapers intended to create a soverign class human Reaper, which makes humanity their primary objective. Doesn't change the fact that going on a suicide mission with the entire militart strength of the galaxy is a terrible tactic to begin with.

Modifié par Mouseraider, 07 avril 2012 - 02:10 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Who said they consolidated their forces around Earth? Sorry, I don't remember anywhere somebody tells you relative distribution of reapers military strength.
This whole lot of "reapers are humanity-bent" sounds like fandom to me, not something canon-established.

[General User]

Icesong wrote...

General User wrote...

Liberating Earth WAS the key to victory. The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper, Earth was the focus of the Reaper attack. Shepard's focusing on Earth and humanity in turn is entirely justified.

On the other hand, Liara constantly wringing her hands over Thessia got on my nerves to no end. It's like the war wasn't real to her until it happened to asari.  Her "maybe next time we go to war the Alliance will spring for air support" line was particularly vexing.

She's not racist. At least not really. It's just that a sense of their own superiority is part of the asari cultural baggage that even Liara carries around.

I don't agree but I agree with your liking of Honor Harrington. :happy:

Honor Harrington is pretty great.  And online versions the first two books in the series are available for free from the publisher!  You can't beat that deal!

[Transgirlgamer]

General User wrote...

Transgirlgamer wrote...

General User wrote...

Liberating Earth WAS the key to victory. The Reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest humanity for a Reaper, Earth was the focus of the Reaper attack. Shepard's focusing on Earth and humanity is entirely justified.

Not really.  The reapers primary objective for this cycle was to harvest all races.  Their goals haven't changed.  We don't know why there was only a human reaper at the collector base in ME2.  In fact, we don't know that there was only a human reaper at the collector base.  It was a big place after all.  It's quite possible that, since we were working with Cerberus, a pro-human organisation regarded by the council as terrorists, they didn't tell us that non-human colonies where being harvested.  Or maybe they were trying to deal with them themselves.

It's true.  Of all the races the Reapers had a special interest in humanity.  Thus Earth faced the brunt of first the Reaper's attack, then the Reaper's harvesting efforts.  Why do you think the Reapers, after siezeing the Citadel choose to consolidate their forces around Earth and not, say, Palaven, or Thessia?

LIke I, and others, have said.  The Batarians were hit first.  As to your question, I have no idea why the Reapers chose to consolidate around Earth.  It doesn't make any sense to me in terms of the story as there is nothing special about humans in ME except for their extraordinary genetic diversity.  The Asari are the strongest Biotics, The Turians are the strongest concil race militarily, the Salarians are the best scientifically, the Krogan are the most hardy and, once the genophage is cured, have the highest reproductive rate.  The Quarians are all engineering geniuses, the Volus are economic powerhouses (Although I can see that wouldn't attract the reapers at all).  Humans are outclassed by every race in at least one way.  All humanity has that the others don't is Shepard.

In terms of the game it's to make the players feel more of a sense of urgency.

Modifié par Transgirlgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 02:19 .

[General User]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Who said they consolidated their forces around Earth? Sorry, I don't remember anywhere somebody tells you relative distribution of reapers military strength.
This whole lot of "reapers are humanity-bent" sounds like fandom to me, not something canon-established.

Word of the Reapers marshaling their forces around Earth comes from the scene right after Shepard recovers the Vengeance VI from Cerberus.

The Reapers special interest in humanity in general, and Shepard in particular was a BIG part of ME2.

[paxxton]

It's because computer games are played mostly by humans not aliens. Besides, he was ordered by a supreme officer to gather fleets to save Earth. As a soldier he is supposed to follow this order. Anyway, I agree that saving Earth is not a priority from a galaxy-wide survival standpoint. But still we micht not know something the writers know.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

I think I need to edit the title, humans != earth.
Even if you agree that majority of the population was on earth somehow (and not enough people outside for human race to survive), they still could follow quarians example, by doing massive exodus to preserve enough of the gene pool for race to survive even if home world is decimated. This is science fiction staple.

[Zkyire]

A human protagonist caring about his own species' homeworld?

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Zkyire wrote...

A human protagonist caring about his own species' homeworld?

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

This is oversimplification.
Caring about his species homeworld so much that willing to sacrifice overall galaxy-wide strategy in favour of inferior/quicker one.