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[vGriMz]

Salarian are best in class. (decoy, energy drain, sniper weight reduction)
Asari are best Adept. (stasis, warp)
The best for Soldier would be Battlefield 3. (carnage, roll, frag grenades)
Sentinel, I'd go for Turian. (overload)
Vanguard, Human. (nova, roll)

[Apl_Juice]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

This is silly. There are no best of anything... any race/class combo is viable on Gold.
And I can usually get top score regardless of what I play.

Personal skill has always trumped character ability. This is not news.

[TempoGTR]

vGriMz wrote...

Salarian are best in class. (decoy, energy drain, sniper weight reduction)
Asari are best Adept. (stasis, warp)
The best for Soldier would be Battlefield 3. (carnage, roll, frag grenades)
Sentinel, I'd go for Turian. (overload)
Vanguard, Human. (nova, roll)

Personal preference list....I'd argue Human sentinel spec'd for explosions is superior to Turian.....

Anything is viable on gold as long as the player behind the class knows their role.

[Delta 57 Dash]

For me:

Top Tier - 
These are the classes that have no downside.  Good abilities, good synergy, and can pull along unskilled players with contemptous ease.

Asari Adept
Salarian Infiltrator

Good Tier:
These are the classes that are good, but fall just short of the "best."

Human Sentinel
Turian Sentinel
Drell Adept
Human Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator (vs. Geth)
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Human Vanguard

Average Tier:
These are the classes that are "OK."  They aren't the best at what they do, but they have enough going for them to still contribute to a team.

Quarian Infiltrator (vs. Cerberus)
Turian Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier
Quarian Engineer
Bad Tier:
These unfortunate souls are outclassed.  Everything they can do, another class can do better.  While that doesn't make them horrible, it does mean that they will often end up spamming only one power.

Quarian Infiltrator (vs. Reapers)
Human Adept
Asari Vanguard
Human Soldier

Worst Tier:
A class of one, this guy is schizo.  Very little synergy is his abilities, some of the worst abilities in the game, and sub-par survivability to boot.  Weep for him.

Drell Vanguard

NOTE: Any class can be viable on gold with a skilled player piloting it (cept the drellguard, he just dies).  This is a ranking purely on ALL of the classes abilities.  The human adept, for example, has some very cool abilities, but his lack of warp/throw, combined with the fact that singularity is borderline useless and that he has to get REALLY close to detonate his own explosions put him far below the Asari Adept and the Human Sentinel, which can detonate their own explosions from far away with great recharge time.  Abilities like Incinerate, cryo blast, and any form of grenade were all detrimental to the ranking of the character as they are generally inferior to other, similar abilities.

NOTE 2: The "Best" list is simply the tippy-top of the top-tier list.  Everything Good and up can be considered top tier.  The Good list also has a bit of variance, as some classes (Drell Adept) perform a very different role form other classes (Salarian Engineer).  Both, however, see a lot of play at the Gold level, hence their placement in the Good tier.  In general, a team should have at LEAST two-three classes from the good/best list on gold in order to complete it efficiently.

Modifié par Delta 57 Dash, 07 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[Hiero Glyph]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

This is silly. There are no best of anything... any race/class combo is viable on Gold.
And I can usually get top score regardless of what I play.

Certainly not.  Playing a Krogan, for example, requires much more skill against enemies that can stun lock you.  To be fair, combos are what Gold is all about and unless your skills benefit the team you are hindering them instead.  There is a reason why the Drell Adept is extremely useful on Gold when working with a team of biotics and much less useful without that support.  All races/classes were not created equally and Gold certainly proves this point.

[Delta 57 Dash]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Delta 57 Dash wrote...

Worst Tier:
A class of one, this guy is schizo.  Very little synergy is his abilities, some of the worst abilities in the game, and sub-par survivability to boot.  Weep for him.

Drell Vanguard

NOTE: Any class can be viable on gold with a skilled player piloting it (cept the drellguard, he just dies).  [...]

Wud.?

Synergy: Pull+Charge=Biotic Explosion.
Survivability: Charge refills barriers and grants invincibility frames

A Drellguard excells at mowing down grunts, Pullfield+AoE Charge=multiple simultanous biotic explosions=facewipe, has the mobility required to do this consistently along the battlefield and can still take on medium-level threats with a Charge+Cluster Grenades combo (+25% power damage after Charge).

I call bull****.

Pull is the WORST CC in the GAME.  Singularity, Throw, and Stasis all beat it.  Pull + charge requires an enemy to not have shields, and THEN puts you smack in the middle of the enemy formation, with 450 shields.  Charge + Cluster works well... on bronze and silver.  Trying that crap on Gold will get you killed incredibly fast.

Also, again, this is a list based purely on powers.  Pull + Charge can do lots of damage, yeah.  Warp + throw does more.  Pull + Reave does more.  Warp + shockwave does more.  Stasis + Throw does more AND stasis's everything.  Reave + Cluster grenade does more. Singularity + Warp does more.  Singularity + Shockwave does more.  Literally EVERY OTHER COMBINATION IN THE GAME DOES EQUAL OR MORE DAMAGE.  It is the WORST combination possible, both having the most stringent start-up requirements (unprotected enemy) AND putting you right in the thick of things with Charge, coupled with the fact that as a drell you have wet tissue paper for armor.

And to top it off? You get GRENADES.  WOOHOO.  3 uses then you're out on Gold, assuming you actually went to rank 5 for them.

I've seen people do good with drellguard, sure.  But don't tell me he's a good class.  Because he isn't.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

[Apl_Juice]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Don't try to use the Drellguard against non-mobs. Let other teammates handle those. A Drellguard can mow down grunts like two other teammates anyway, you don't need them for that. Everything without shields vs Drellguard = dead.

To be fair, anything vs enemy without shields = dead.

Dat hitstun.

[RazRei]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

[Lawli]

poor performance can also very likely be the result of trying to force the wrong role onto the wrong class. some classes excel at taking down big game, others are supposed to ignore it and focus on the chaffe. just cause its there and you can kill it doesnt always mean you should. its like objectives on gold, let the infiltrator handle the 4 cap ones and stay in the god damn foxhole. having 4 ppl run around like headless chickens doesnt help anyone.

[Crimson-Engage]

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'm going to guess that Human Vanguard and Asari Adept are at the top and Human Soldier and Drellguard are at the bottom.

This isn't a fighting game. There is not one class above the other. It's how the players uses it that matters.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'm going to guess that Human Vanguard and Asari Adept are at the top and Human Soldier and Drellguard are at the bottom.

This isn't a fighting game. There is not one class above the other. It's how the players uses it that matters.

lol. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

InfamousResult wrote...

 Krogan Sentinel is fine

Obviously never played one on gold against the get.

[Crimson-Engage]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'm going to guess that Human Vanguard and Asari Adept are at the top and Human Soldier and Drellguard are at the bottom.

This isn't a fighting game. There is not one class above the other. It's how the players uses it that matters.

lol. 

Haha, i know right? Teirs in a shooting game. How ****ing retarded... LOLOLOL 

[RazRei]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

And I didn't say they weren't.  To test out weapons I usually use my human on the lower tier (bronze/silver when you just want to test out that new sniper rifle...then loath it immensely because the Raptor and viper sucks5) when I'm in game doing gold I'm the Salarian Infi most of the time to dish out the dmg.  To have fun and help my team I take my Engineer.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

RazRei wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

And I didn't say they weren't.  To test out weapons I usually use my human on the lower tier (bronze/silver when you just want to test out that new sniper rifle...then loath it immensely because the Raptor and viper sucks5) when I'm in game doing gold I'm the Salarian Infi most of the time to dish out the dmg.  To have fun and help my team I take my Engineer.

And i didn't say that you said that they weren't. 

I said that Engineers aren't equal to Infillies and your way better off playing an infilly rather than an engineer if you want the best chance at beating gold. Engineers are mid tier not top tier. 

[GodlessPaladin]

BraveLToaster wrote...
You can play character as effieciently as possible, but you cannot accurately compare them as there are too many variables.

Bull****.  Of course you can.  Hell, that's basically what we game designers do with our time.

it isn't easy to judge efficacy relative to one another.

"Not easy" is a very different statement from "cannot."

Crimson-Engage wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'm going to guess that Human Vanguard and Asari Adept are at the top and Human Soldier and Drellguard are at the bottom.

This isn't a fighting game. There is not one class above the other. It's how the players uses it that matters.

Are you serious?    In a fighting game, how players use their character matters.    A lot.  There are still tiers, because any character is a set of tools and some tools are objectively better than others.   What you are saying is complete nonsense.

No amount of denial of reality will change that not all characters are created equal and that some tools are better than others.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Crimson-Engage wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'm going to guess that Human Vanguard and Asari Adept are at the top and Human Soldier and Drellguard are at the bottom.

This isn't a fighting game. There is not one class above the other. It's how the players uses it that matters.

lol. 

Haha, i know right? Teirs in a shooting game. How ****ing retarded... LOLOLOL 

Seriously right?
Tiers should of course only apply to fighting games because each character has different stats,abilities and mobility.

It makes no sense how classes  can outrank eachother in a shooter when they all have different stats,abilities, and mobility? 

[Atheosis]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Well I remember reading a post saying that the Krogan Sentinel and Asari Vanguard were low tier and I really enjoy playing both but I don't play on Gold. I just want to know that I won't be a burden.

Who in their right mind said Asari Vanguard is low tier on Gold?  It's one of the few classes that can solo Phantoms with almost zero effort.  

[Atheosis]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

[GodlessPaladin]

Atheosis wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Well I remember reading a post saying that the Krogan Sentinel and Asari Vanguard were low tier and I really enjoy playing both but I don't play on Gold. I just want to know that I won't be a burden.

Who in their right mind said Asari Vanguard is low tier on Gold?  It's one of the few classes that can solo Phantoms with almost zero effort.  

Asari Vanguards are ridiculously good against Cerberus and make even soloing gold a snap (the only thing that can slow them down on a solo run, at least for me, is a device objective, since you're stuck being defenseless for a while and just have to hope enemies don't bother you).  Gold Phantoms go down in three carnifex bullets that should never be missing (because if you can't hit a stasised enemy something is wrong with your aim), and biotic charge provides a layer of mobility and survivability that the Asari Adept just plain doesn't have (as well as synergizing elegantly with Asari dodges). 

Pretty much the only thing the Asari Adept can do better than the Asari Vanguard against Cerberus (barring playing on a full biotic explosion team) is pound Atlasses with biotic explosions, and Atlasses are not exactly a high priority threat.  Alone, you can just avoid them until they're the last ones left, and with a team, well, the infiltrators are chewing through them a lot faster than you would either way,  and they'll want you focused on wiping out the scurrying and flipping ones.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:11 .