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[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

[Atheosis]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

What a joke.

[RazRei]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
And i didn't say that you said that they weren't. 

I said that Engineers aren't equal to Infillies and your way better off playing an infilly rather than an engineer if you want the best chance at beating gold. Engineers are mid tier not top tier. 

But I have to disagree greatly.  The Engineer is just as good as the Infiltrator.  

Hell at times I have a better time ressing a downed teammate as a Salarian by dropping a decoy right next to my teammate wait a sec and go pick them up saving the two of us.

[GodlessPaladin]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

I disagree. 

-Infiltrators are unquestionably the best at ONE KIND of objective:  device objectives, which are one of the easy ones for most teams.  However, if you're on, say, a hacking objective against gold reapers, you'll be thankful for a novaguard that knows how to act like the lightning fast CC tank she is.

-Infiltrators are pretty much the best heavy weapons-reliant class, sure, but that doesn't cut things like Adepts or Vanguards out of the game.  Even when you are just looking at weapon performance, an Asari Vanguard pops just about as many heads against Cerberus as a highly skilled Black Widow infiltrator (heck, phantoms are just 3 carnifex bullets if you're using equipment boosts.  Unshielded enemies are 1, and shielded enemies like Centurions are 2).

-Infiltrators are not optimal for setting up or triggerring combos.

-Infiltrators are not exceptionally good tanks or crowd control (like Salarian Engineers or Human Vanguards)

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

What a joke.

Your a joke
Go to the original thread of the post and argue that.

People have debated that thread harshly and thats whats come out. 

[GodlessPaladin]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

What a joke.

Your a joke
Go to the original thread of the post and argue that.

People have debated that thread harshly and thats whats come out. 

No, you just decided to agree with the OP.  That's a poorly constructed tier system if I ever saw one, including such obvious flaws as not taking faction into account.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

I disagree. 

-Infiltrators are unquestionably the best at ONE KIND of objective:  device objectives.  However, if you're on, say, a hacking objective, you'll be damn thankful for a novaguard that knows how to act like the lightning fast CC tank she is.
-Infiltrators are the best weapons-reliant class, sure, but that doesn't cut things like Adepts or Vanguards out of the game.
-Infiltrators are not optimal for setting off or triggerring combos.

Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives. and a good one can do a Position holding hack solo even on gold depending on the location. Which is something no other class can do without rockets/extreme luck. 

Most adepts and vanguards are in the tiers directly below infillies and are high tier. They do have more damage potential due to Biotic explosions, but at the cost of a lot less utility which ultimatley makes them inferior. if your going for the best time biotic explosion bots are your best choice, but if your just trying to get the best chance at winning infillies are the way to go. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

What a joke.

Your a joke
Go to the original thread of the post and argue that.

People have debated that thread harshly and thats whats come out. 

No, you just decided to agree with the OP.  That's a poorly constructed tier system if I ever saw one, including such obvious flaws as not taking faction into account.

If you actually go read the thread you'll see he and others do take faction into account. 

[Phaelducan]

I'd actually like to see a team of Krogan's beat Gold. Not saying they can't, but I'd like to see a video.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Phaelducan wrote...

I'd actually like to see a team of Krogan's beat Gold. Not saying they can't, but I'd like to see a video.

Theres one out there somewhere.

It's pretty hilarious

[Atheosis]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

There's a very big question actually.  Asari and Drell Adepts (even Human sentinels) kill things far faster than Infiltrators if players are of equal skill level, and every Engineer class offers better utility to the team.  Infiltrators are single target DPS machines with high survivability and some decent utility, but they are not the best at everything.  Honestly, I find Infiltrators to be terrible in terms of synergy with other classes (though very good on their own terms and very capable team saviors and point grabbers).  People who favor the Infiltrator class don't seem to get that though...cuz theyz blowin up hedz with teh l33t class....

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

There's a very big question actually.  Asari and Drell Adepts (even Human sentinels) kill things far faster than Infiltrators if players are of equal skill level, and every Engineer class offers better utility to the team.  Infiltrators are single target DPS machines with high survivability and some decent utility, but they are not the best at everything.  Honestly, I find Infiltrators to be terrible in terms of synergy with other classes (though very good on their own terms and very capable team saviors and point grabbers).  People who favor the Infiltrator class don't seem to get that though...cuz theyz blowin up hedz with teh l33t class....

Killing faster does not make a class better. Being able to accomplish gold with less difficulty makes a class better. Dosen't matter how fast you kill things if you just are going to die anyways. 
And infillies aren't "single target dps machines with high survivability and some decent utility" They are without a doubt the class with the Best survivability and the best utility. 

[GodlessPaladin]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

However, despite my position that infiltrators are not as godly as you think they are, I disagree even more with this guy:

Atheosis wrote...
There's a very big question actually.  Asari
and Drell Adepts (even Human sentinels) kill things far faster than
Infiltrators if players are of equal skill level, and every Engineer class offers better utility to the team.
 Infiltrators are single target DPS machines with high survivability
and some decent utility, but they are not the best at everything.
 Honestly, I find Infiltrators to be terrible in terms of synergy with
other classes (though very good on their own terms and very capable team
saviors and point grabbers).  People who favor the Infiltrator class
don't seem to get that though...cuz theyz blowin up hedz with teh l33t
class....

Hahahahahhahahahahahahaha no.
Infiltrators are of much greater utility than human or quarian engineers.  Maybe you could argue with a Salarian Engineer, but that's it.

Also, the fact that you can't see how infiltrators synergize with other classes tells me you have NO IDEA how to play an infiltrator.
-Proximity Mine increases all damage against all targets in a 3 meter area by 20%.
-Proximity Mine triggers all types of combos.
-Energy Drain sets up tech bursts.
-Sniping synergizes with Asari naturally.
-They cover a distinct and valuable role as snipers and heavy hitters.
-Medics.
-Spotters.
-and so forth...

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[Atheosis]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

What a joke.

Your a joke
Go to the original thread of the post and argue that.

People have debated that thread harshly and thats whats come out. 

It's a joke list.  I don't care how much debate went into it.  The idea of set tiers with so many variables (weapons, equipment, power choices, player style, factions, etc.) is a joke. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

Again your assuming speed>Chance at sucuess when rating the classes. 

The infilly will easily be able to take down 4 atlas mechs within the perscribed time limit so long as he dosen't mess up and has good weapon choice. The Human vanguard on the other hand probaly dosen't have 4 rockets or a weapon thats great at taking down the tougher enemies. He is also a lot more likley to get himself killed than the Infilly would. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

I believe Sabre Sandiego has made a very well done and well explained thread with a tier list

http://social.biowar...3/index/9465718

His list
Tier 1
Salarian Infiltrator
Quarian Infiltrator
Human Infiltrator

The infiltrators are the games best class overall, and typically have a very high score against all factions. They are extremely good on offense, very survivable, exceptional medics, and great at capturing objectives. They really have no weaknesses, but they can be outscored by the tier 1.1 and 1.2 classes in many cases such as when on a biotic team against reapers.

Tier 1.1
Human Vanguard
Drell Adept
Drell Vanguard

The human vanguard and the two drell classes are exceptional at dealing massive area damage through biotics. These three classes are all high risk, high reward. Miliseconds mean the difference between life and death on these classes, which is why it is recommended that this be the hosting players class. Inexperienced players may find these classes difficult to master, especially on gold, but once a high skill level is reached these 3 classes can compete for top score.

Tier 1.2
Asari Adept
Human Sentinel
Human Adept

The warp explosion classes are possibly the most powerful in the game when used in combination, due to the massive damage of their biotic explosions. The asari adept tops the list due to stasis, however the human sentinel and human adept are not far behind. The only thing that keeps the biotic explosion classes from being the best classes is their dependency on teamwork for survival, which can occassionaly cause them to become overwhelmed when not backed by teamates. All three of these classes are capable of top score.

Tier 2
Salarian Engineer
Human Engineer
Quarian Engineer

The support classes are what comprise tier 2. These classes cannot match the top classes in score (at comparable skill levels), however they can provide invaluable support which can greatly benefit the team. Setting up decoys/drones/turrets which keep enemies at bay, cryo freezing enemies for enhanced vulnerability, and stripping off barrier and shields are all things the support classes do best.

Tier 3
Asari Vanguard
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier

These classes dont do anything which another class couldnt do better. The lack of mobility on turian can be painful. These arent bad classes, just not the best. All three of these classes can be extremely effective, but the same player would do even better with a class from the top 4 tiers. Funfactor is the main reason to play a class from this tier.

Tier 4
Human Soldier
Krogan Sentinel
Krogan Soldier


I reccomend reading the thread before questioning his choices such as the drell vanguard. He makes very good arguments for their position

What a joke.

Your a joke
Go to the original thread of the post and argue that.

People have debated that thread harshly and thats whats come out. 

It's a joke list.  I don't care how much debate went into it.  The idea of set tiers with so many variables (weapons, equipment, power choices, player style, factions, etc.) is a joke. 

You've made Joke arguements against it. Tier list or something similar exsist for almost every game with RPG elements such as stats/gear choice/abilities. To imply that it's invalid simply because someone may take a bad gun or play bad with a certain class is silly. 

[Sabresandiego]

Those tiers are my opinion, which ofcourse is not perfect. That thread is very old and has been debated back and forth, and classes have been adjusted accordingly. Nobody is saying that the best player in the game isnt going to be playing a class from the bottom tier.

Just because you dont agree with it doesn't make it a joke list. Why don't you create a better list with hard evidence and prove to me how wrong I am with my ratings? Also, if you read the thread, you would know that the tiers are based primarily on overall effectiveness (which averages out viability among different factions), and score potential. Why dont you add me to friends and outscore me with your krogan soldier while I play a human infiltrator to prove me wrong?

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 07 avril 2012 - 07:34 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

Again your assuming speed>Chance at sucuess when rating the classes. 

The infilly will easily be able to take down 4 atlas mechs within the perscribed time limit so long as he dosen't mess up and has good weapon choice. The Human vanguard on the other hand probaly dosen't have 4 rockets or a weapon thats great at taking down the tougher enemies. He is also a lot more likley to get himself killed than the Infilly would. 

Chance of success is nearly 100% with a competent team of players using ANY class.  A proper tier list assumes competent execution (e.g. characters being used to their potential).  This is true here for the same reasons it's true in any competitive fighting game community.

The fact that YOU die as a vanguard doesn't mean that a competent player will.  I almost never go down as a vanguard, and many things are actually LESS of a threat to me (like Hunters or Phantoms).

Sabresandiego wrote...

Those tiers are my opinion, which
ofcourse is not perfect. That thread is very old and has been debated
back and forth, and classes have been adjusted accordingly. Nobody is
saying that the best player in the game isnt going to be playing a class
from the bottom tier.

Just because you dont agree with it
doesn't make it a joke list. Why don't you create a better list with
hard evidence and prove to me how wrong I am with my ratings? Also, if
you read the thread, you would know that the tiers are based primarily
on overall effectiveness (which averages out viability among different
factions), and score potential. Why dont you add me to friends and
outscore me with your krogan soldier while I play a human infiltrator to
prove me wrong?

I'd be happy to drastically outscore you as every one of those classes with an Asari Vanguard against Cerberus (which you rated tier 3).  Of course, I recognize that you claimed you're rating "overall" effectiveness, but I challenge the concept.  Different things are disproportionatey effective against different factions to such a degree that a tier list that doesn't take faction into account seems silly and myopic.  Also important is team synergy.  Drell, for example, aren't quite so hot when you want to play solo (or without a biotic strike team period).

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[Atheosis]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

There's a very big question actually.  Asari and Drell Adepts (even Human sentinels) kill things far faster than Infiltrators if players are of equal skill level, and every Engineer class offers better utility to the team.  Infiltrators are single target DPS machines with high survivability and some decent utility, but they are not the best at everything.  Honestly, I find Infiltrators to be terrible in terms of synergy with other classes (though very good on their own terms and very capable team saviors and point grabbers).  People who favor the Infiltrator class don't seem to get that though...cuz theyz blowin up hedz with teh l33t class....

Killing faster does not make a class better. Being able to accomplish gold with less difficulty makes a class better. Dosen't matter how fast you kill things if you just are going to die anyways. 
And infillies aren't "single target dps machines with high survivability and some decent utility" They are without a doubt the class with the Best survivability and the best utility. 

Salarian Engineers beat Gold with far less difficulty than Infilitrators when facing Geth.

Asari Adepts and Asari Vanguard beat Gold with far less difficulty than Infiltrators when facing Cerberus.

Biotic teams beat Gold with far less difficulty than Infiltrators when facing Reapers.

Just because Infiltrators are the best class for soloing Gold, doesn't mean they are the best in terms of actually beating Gold as a team "with less difficulty".  

[Atheosis]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

Again your assuming speed>Chance at sucuess when rating the classes. 

The infilly will easily be able to take down 4 atlas mechs within the perscribed time limit so long as he dosen't mess up and has good weapon choice. The Human vanguard on the other hand probaly dosen't have 4 rockets or a weapon thats great at taking down the tougher enemies. He is also a lot more likley to get himself killed than the Infilly would. 

Chance of success is nearly 100% with a competent team of players using ANY class.  A proper tier list assumes competent execution (e.g. characters being used to their potential).  This is true here for the same reasons it's true in any competitive fighting game community.

The fact that YOU die as a vanguard doesn't mean that a competent player will.  I almost never go down as a vanguard, and many things are actually LESS of a threat to me (like Hunters or Phantoms).

And again, the tier list you presented is a joke.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

Again your assuming speed>Chance at sucuess when rating the classes. 

The infilly will easily be able to take down 4 atlas mechs within the perscribed time limit so long as he dosen't mess up and has good weapon choice. The Human vanguard on the other hand probaly dosen't have 4 rockets or a weapon thats great at taking down the tougher enemies. He is also a lot more likley to get himself killed than the Infilly would. 

Chance of success is nearly 100% with a competent team of players.  A proper tier list assumes competent execution (e.g. characters being used to their potential).  This is true here for the same reasons it's true in any competitive fighting game community.

Competent execution has nothing to do with a highscore in the time department though. Competent execution simply requires that you get all credit time bonuses,get full extract, and are able to complete the match with minimal use of consumables. All of these are easier to accomplish with a Infilly on your team. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Well in general the top tier characters are Asari Adept, Salarian Infiltrator.

Everything else is inferior on gold, but on a per class basis, Krogan sentinel, Human Vanguard, Quarian Engineer (could argue Salarian on this one), Turian Soldier (again could argue Krogan soldier).

Sorry but the Salarian Engineer and Human Engineer are Top Tier.

Actually speaking all the Infiltrator's are great.  The Human is all around good, Salarian is the "HOLD THE LINE," and the Quarian is situational.  

Human Sent specced out of Tech Armor is basicly a Human Adept, and the Turian Sent is good also.  I would consider them Mid/High

I would hold all soldiers in the Mid Tier.  The Turian is okay and I have to finally agree that ifyou're the host the Turian Soldier with a Falcon is a monster.  The BF3 Soldier > Korgan.

Vanguards and especially the NovaGuard is silver tier with them showing some use in Gold with a lot of restranit and team work with Adepts....

Then you have the Adept especially the Asari + Drell combo that can explode their way to the top.

Sorry Infillys are the only top tier classes. Nothing stacks up to the utility of cloak even decoy and combat drone pale in comparison. 

If you are talking about solo runs by extremely good players, this statement is true.  If you are talking about actually playing the game in a coop manner, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

No it's not.

Infillys have the highest weapon damage of all classes, are the best at capturing objectives, the best medics, and have the best Suvivability. There's no question that the Infillys are a large step ahead of all other classes. 

There's a very big question actually.  Asari and Drell Adepts (even Human sentinels) kill things far faster than Infiltrators if players are of equal skill level, and every Engineer class offers better utility to the team.  Infiltrators are single target DPS machines with high survivability and some decent utility, but they are not the best at everything.  Honestly, I find Infiltrators to be terrible in terms of synergy with other classes (though very good on their own terms and very capable team saviors and point grabbers).  People who favor the Infiltrator class don't seem to get that though...cuz theyz blowin up hedz with teh l33t class....

Killing faster does not make a class better. Being able to accomplish gold with less difficulty makes a class better. Dosen't matter how fast you kill things if you just are going to die anyways. 
And infillies aren't "single target dps machines with high survivability and some decent utility" They are without a doubt the class with the Best survivability and the best utility. 

Salarian Engineers beat Gold with far less difficulty than Infilitrators when facing Geth.

Asari Adepts and Asari Vanguard beat Gold with far less difficulty than Infiltrators when facing Cerberus.

Biotic teams beat Gold with far less difficulty than Infiltrators when facing Reapers.

Just because Infiltrators are the best class for soloing Gold, doesn't mean they are the best in terms of actually beating Gold as a team "with less difficulty".  

None of what you just said is true. Because Infillys can solo gold is a testament to the fact that it's the easiest class to beat gold with
Your once again assuming a  low time=Less difficulty which is an absolutley ludcrious assertion. 

[Sabresandiego]

Like I said before, my tier list is based on two criteria.

1. Overall Effectiveness (which includes personal opinion, chance of success, value to team, ease of use, etc...)

2. Score Potential

Engineers are a good class, no doubt, but they are mid tier primarily because of their score potential. They will not outscore an equivalently skilled player whos using a class from the higher tiers except in rare situations.

[GodlessPaladin]

Atheosis wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

Again your assuming speed>Chance at sucuess when rating the classes. 

The infilly will easily be able to take down 4 atlas mechs within the perscribed time limit so long as he dosen't mess up and has good weapon choice. The Human vanguard on the other hand probaly dosen't have 4 rockets or a weapon thats great at taking down the tougher enemies. He is also a lot more likley to get himself killed than the Infilly would. 

Chance of success is nearly 100% with a competent team of players using ANY class.  A proper tier list assumes competent execution (e.g. characters being used to their potential).  This is true here for the same reasons it's true in any competitive fighting game community.

The fact that YOU die as a vanguard doesn't mean that a competent player will.  I almost never go down as a vanguard, and many things are actually LESS of a threat to me (like Hunters or Phantoms).

And again, the tier list you presented is a joke.

...I didn't present a tier list.  Are you really that oblivious?

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 07 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Infillys are also the best at assasination objectives.

  Again, I disagree.  They're kinda tied with vanguards on that one, and which is better depends on the precise situation. 

When doing speedruns, Vanguards are *usually* better, because they can charge/missile pretty much any target anywhere on the map within a coupla seconds of its position being announced, whereas the infiltrator can only do such a thing if he is lucky enough to have the game set up the shot for her.

Again your assuming speed>Chance at sucuess when rating the classes. 

The infilly will easily be able to take down 4 atlas mechs within the perscribed time limit so long as he dosen't mess up and has good weapon choice. The Human vanguard on the other hand probaly dosen't have 4 rockets or a weapon thats great at taking down the tougher enemies. He is also a lot more likley to get himself killed than the Infilly would. 

Chance of success is nearly 100% with a competent team of players using ANY class.  A proper tier list assumes competent execution (e.g. characters being used to their potential).  This is true here for the same reasons it's true in any competitive fighting game community.

The fact that YOU die as a vanguard doesn't mean that a competent player will.  I almost never go down as a vanguard, and many things are actually LESS of a threat to me (like Hunters or Phantoms).

And again, the tier list you presented is a joke.

...I didn't present a tier list.  Are you really that oblivious?

All Krogan look the same to her.
She's a racist