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[TsaiMeLemoni]

Kawamura wrote...

I'm unhappy with a product. The people producing the product aren't doing me a favor by trying to fix my complains, they're doing themselves a favor by attempting to convince me to keep paying them for things they make later.

Right, that free content that they didn't have to work on is such a burden on the wallet.

[KillerHappyFace]

Problem is, Bioware has been bashing and insulting us as well, ever since release day. They still have yet to make an official statement without some backhanded comment at our expense. It's probably in self defense, but insulting the fans is making those fans unwilling to cut Bioware any more slack.

Sure, things could do with a few less insults, but the fans aren't the only party at fault here.

All in all, this whole thing has been remarkably civil, given the circumstances and the nature of internet movements.

[sth128]

FreshRevenge wrote...

 Seriously all this bashing and still insulting BioWare has to draw a line? It is really pathetic that fans are attacking BioWare still? After the fact they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right by it by providing free content.

I don't think a wall of self-righteous bashing on the fans will help your cause. If anything, it just makes your post look really ironic.

I do agree that fans should simmer down a bit and wait for the EC though. Sure it doesn't sound like something we asked for but who knows? I mean, I didn't ask for a singing Salarian, but I'm not gonna diss Bioware for making one.

[Vlta]

Militarized wrote...

Vlta wrote...

So shall you be joining Justin2k, Minty and Rockopopple at their table in the corner where you can bash everyone together?

Don't forget Dirge, he just doesn't make a thread for it. It's like a bitter timeout corner. 

Huh I don't think I've seen comments from Dirge, alright, we'll put him at the table with the others.

[EliteOp-11]

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thornne]

This is about as useful as asking "Are human beings this awful?"

The answer to some gross generalization is always going to be "Yes, some are, but no, some others are not."

[Jackal7713]

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

Would you say people can call Bioware a bunch of lairs?

[trifecta739]

FreshRevenge wrote...

they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right by it by providing free content.

They may have heard the complaints but they sure as hell didn't listen to them. The "extended cut" is an insult as it addresses the absolute most basic complaints from fans (plot holes and an epilogue), however these two complaints were both a result of the other numerous issues we had with the ending.

And for the record, I'd drop up to $100 on new or changed endings as long as they were good. It's not about the money, at least not for me. I want something that makes me feel like my decisions mattered, something that isn't riddled with plot holes, and something that doesn't boil down to a choice between three colors. I want something that makes sense and is logical to the Mass Effect universe. I wanted to see my war assets in action. I wanted a terrible ending where the Reapers win and everyone dies. I wanted a happy ending where the Reapers are defeated and Shepard and my LI get to have a happy and fufilling life together.

Instead BioWare ground everything up into a paste and poured it into a mould with some food coloring for "variety." If they were truly listening they would have done something that showed it. They haven't been listening.

[Phyzzix]

Nobody is really annoyed with Bioware putting out free content, buy they've said they're keeping their endings intact, and the majority of us are skeptical that they can make it work. I know I don't think Bioware manages to pull it off. Too many illogical plotholes in the end.

Most of us aren't up in arms for the hell of it. We all have our own reasons, a lot of them actually thought out.

[BamBam38]

edwards_77 wrote...

The weirdest thing is, it is a fantastic game IMO. Even the ending. I know that isn't a very popular opinion to old on here, but that's what I feel. Looking forward to the extended cut!

You're not alone, I'm just afraid of people calling me stupid and not a true fan so I don't want to go there. But I agree!

[FreshRevenge]

Kawamura wrote...

I'm unhappy with a product. The people producing the product aren't doing me a favor by trying to fix my complains, they're doing themselves a favor by attempting to convince me to keep paying them for things they make later.

It's not a gift, not the sort given out of love. It's still a transaction of a sort. And they should be glad people are whining: it's better than them just shrugging and never buying their things again, right?

if you think you are expecting perfection, I got instant newsflush down your drain. Don't expect products to be perfect.

Humans aren't not perfect. You get sick and grow old and then you die! You can get cancer or a virus. You can be involved in a accident. Don't think because someone makes something and demand that product to perfect? If you are not satisfied, you go and make the product your self!

[Pulletlamer]

I will answer you question with a question.

Is Bioware this awful?

Why are the fans to blame, when in fact it's Bioware the one who lied, failed to deliver and did things wrong?

We have all the rights to complain.

[Kath]

FreshRevenge wrote...

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

sorry but I haven't really been a member on this site for very long, but it looks like that way!

It is time to put to rest and just let them work and release the content!

While I agree that all of this negativity is tiring (and probably annoying to those that don't agree) the fans that are complaining, myself included, have legitimate concerns with the product we bought. Bioware didn't live up to their promises with this game, and have been constantly dismissing and belittling fans that question this since its release. 

Modifié par Katherine, 07 avril 2012 - 05:48 .

[palanora]

first of all if the ending would have been what was expected do you think there would be this many people analysing the game to death to find all the nitty picky things wrong ? No
If Bw had come out and been more forth coming with the answers and reactions to the critiques would you see all the threads asking for answers? No
If Bw had not taken the "artistic integrity" route of defense (which is the equivelant of a stone wall) would people have made all the threads on this you now have on the boards?
You would basically would have what ypu are asking for.
Now who sould we blame for this situation the people asking for clarification,anwers and or trying to make sense of it .... or BW?

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

All of those things were said during interviews while the game was in the development process.  While the game is in development anything is subject to change.  You know, because it is in development.

False advertising would be if those things were placed in the commercials after the walking dead or in the banner ads on IGN.  Which they weren't.  Therefore, I hate to say it, but there was no false advertisement.

[Vox Draco]

Awful? Why?

Bioware should acknowledge that they created a franchise and a hero that sparks so much emotion in their fanbase...it is incredible! And damn what a compliment to their otherwise great talent at storytelling!

And because the love is/was so great towards Bioware...the hatred now is just as passionate. After all, they gave us Shepard and his squadmates, and we started to love them all dearly!

But Bioware seems to have been ignorant about this, and decided to end their saga in the most unworthy, illogical and incomprehensible way you can think of!

Now just add this to the fact that for many "their" Shepard was almost a part of themselves or at least someone they would love to be alike...then you have Bioware literelly "killing" their own fabase in a very cruel and hopeless way...

But I agree that things should settle down after a while, not for Bioware's sake though, but rather for the fans, because it is unhealthy to hate for too long...

Just my two cents on this...

Modifié par Vox Draco, 07 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[dezpinato]

FreshRevenge wrote...

 Seriously all this bashing and still insulting BioWare has to draw a line? It is really pathetic that fans are attacking BioWare still? After the fact they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right by it by providing free content.

I look at this way, Bioware and any other game company needs to make money. They need to make money to pay their employees or have the fans think they are doing it for free? Most game designers and programmers have to buy food and pay for gas and pay the rent, mortgage etc. So the insults to BioWare and EA that they are looking just for the money is pretty much a understatement. If you haven't understood that concept than maybe you are just too young to play this game?

When you go to a restaurant and buy dinner, you don't think it's going to be free? When you go to the grocery store and buy food, You don't think they are going to let you walk out without paying for it, do you?

When you go to a car lot looking for a car, you don't think the owner is going to allow you to  drive off without paying for it?

Now I get that fans are upset by the ending and pretty much have stated the same plotsholes over and over aod over. BioWare heard and trying to solve it the way We get news that they are releasing a extended cut DLC and the resurgenous Pack, yet no seems to be statisfied?

Yet more insults saying that Bioware is just making maps so they can charge us the reinforcement packs, If you haven't notice, but the game forces you to play to unlock the extra content. You also have the choiice of spending money to unlock the content too.

Nothing is being force on anybody? So I just don't get how people are uptight about this?

Actually it would be nice to state how old you are because honestly some of the maturity levels on here haven't even left puberty!

BioWare are working on releasing us content. They heard us. They don't need to pull out a script or leak every little thing they are working on to improve the ending? They actually don't really have to bother doing anything? Nothing!

yup (sargastic question recieves saracstic answer)

actually i wont support ea till they change thier milking of customers.  locking disc content to sell at launch,  paying for random packs (gambling), and having an dreamlike ending to sell the true ending later (although free now due to fan reaction and stock drop).

free content is nice but no one would have paid for an ending to a game beyond the games price.  if so there fault for creating a market.  i wouldnt have paid for multiplayer content since im already sick of it and use my phone to keep my percentages up.

i would love it if you wouldnt attack other consumers the discussion in these forums is getting out of hand.  i choose to speak with my wallet.  ea disapointed this customer so until proven otherwise they have lost me among others.  thier stock droped and thats why the content is free simple damage control.

[egnit]

I'm still in the wait and see holding pattern. I can't be upset with DLC I haven't played yet!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Zuka999 wrote...

Replace "fans" with "customers". We're not groupies, we're paying them money. We have the right to make demands or they'll be thrown to the wayside and lost like all the other failed companies throughout time. Period.

Yeah.

[kalasaurus]

I generally take a noncombative neutral stance in forums, but I kind of agree with the OP. I am happy that the Extended Cut DLC will add closure and reflect our choices. I am not going to bash the thing because I haven't seen it yet. I am sure BioWare has been made aware of their false advertising regarding the "different endings to reflect our choices", so they are going to fix it for free.

[SiriusXI]

FreshRevenge wrote...

 Seriously all this bashing and still insulting BioWare has to draw a line? It is really pathetic that fans are attacking BioWare still? After the fact they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right by it by providing free content.

I look at this way, Bioware and any other game company needs to make money. They need to make money to pay their employees or have the fans think they are doing it for free? Most game designers and programmers have to buy food and pay for gas and pay the rent, mortgage etc. So the insults to BioWare and EA that they are looking just for the money is pretty much a understatement. If you haven't understood that concept than maybe you are just too young to play this game?

When you go to a restaurant and buy dinner, you don't think it's going to be free? When you go to the grocery store and buy food, You don't think they are going to let you walk out without paying for it, do you?

When you go to a car lot looking for a car, you don't think the owner is going to allow you to  drive off without paying for it?

Now I get that fans are upset by the ending and pretty much have stated the same plotsholes over and over aod over. BioWare heard and trying to solve it the way We get news that they are releasing a extended cut DLC and the resurgenous Pack, yet no seems to be statisfied?

Yet more insults saying that Bioware is just making maps so they can charge us the reinforcement packs, If you haven't notice, but the game forces you to play to unlock the extra content. You also have the choiice of spending money to unlock the content too.

Nothing is being force on anybody? So I just don't get how people are uptight about this?

Actually it would be nice to state how old you are because honestly some of the maturity levels on here haven't even left puberty!

BioWare are working on releasing us content. They heard us. They don't need to pull out a script or leak every little thing they are working on to improve the ending? They actually don't really have to bother doing anything? Nothing!

1. I have the feeling you are another payed Bioware/EA employee that is posting on the forums to make us feel bad for our crimes of criticising a product that was falsly advertised.

2. They give us free content, but they do not give us what we asked for. A bad ending remains a bad ending, even if you add some explanatory cinematics. StaChild stays, Mass Relays explode, Shepard dies in every ending, there are still just 3 colored endings. We want 16 vastly different endings so we won't even realize which ending we got, just like Mr. Hudson promised.

3. The Multiplayer content was already planned and I'm sure it was ready before release. They planned to sell us the Multiplayer expansion later, but they didn't do it, because of the uproar that happened (this is just speculation though, but Bioware should be happy we ARE speculating)

4. The extended cut DLC won't change much, I guess. There is no new gameplay (+ see nr. 2), and I think it will contain mostly the cinematics that you can see in this iphone app (last hours???)


That's why we are not happy!

[Vlta]

Honestly why do people still think this extended cut is really the be all and end all, it's just a hand holding dlc to explain to all their "simple" fans what happened after and during the ending. For god's sake there isn't even going to be any gameplay or interactive segments involved...

[Anduin The Grey]

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

And your response is to attack those who think differently to yourself, bludgeon and bully your way through an unwinable solution you yourselves have created.

I'm sorry, at what point aren't we allowed to enjoy this and other games? It hasn't occured to you that there are those here who are genuinely miffed at the food fight which is going on and the kids that will refuse to clean up the mess they made afterwards?

[Militarized]

I'll say this one more time... it isn't free. Free to play games are "free" yet it is the new business model making tons and tons of money... gee but it's free how are they making money? Might want to reexamine what you're saying.

[LegendaryBlade]

Zuka999 wrote...

Replace "fans" with "customers". We're not groupies, we're paying them money. We have the right to make demands or they'll be thrown to the wayside and lost like all the other failed companies throughout time. Period.

But guys, EA is too big to fail! Oh..wait...