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[Senario]

People are angry because they care, many of us are highly invested into the series and the ending is nothing short of nonsensical. Many are angry at Bioware because of their handling of the problem, constant PR speak for a month, followed by pre screened questions at PAX, numerous examples of false advertisement/lies, and an announcement for a "clarification" of their ending which most ppl agree didn't make any sense in the first place and won't make any sense if you try to explain it.

That and hiding behind a veil of "Artistic Integrity" Doesn't really fly with fans as Mass Effect is not a work of art, it is a commercial product meant to be sold FOR PROFIT. I understand the lines between "art" and "product" get blurry. But when a lot of money is involved? It is a Product.

You are free to disagree though, you can support Bioware and their future games and DLC if you strongly believe they are doing the right thing, I personally don't, and Free DLC that doesn't address concerns or even listen to the pages of input fans have made isn't the way to re earn my trust as a consumer.

[Militarized]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

All of those things were said during interviews while the game was in the development process.  While the game is in development anything is subject to change.  You know, because it is in development.

False advertising would be if those things were placed in the commercials after the walking dead or in the banner ads on IGN.  Which they weren't.  Therefore, I hate to say it, but there was no false advertisement.

Actually they are, it says on the main webpage that your choices "drastically effect the ending" with "very different outcomes". 

So, you lose. 

[FreshRevenge]

Thornne wrote...

This is about as useful as asking "Are human beings this awful?"

The answer to some gross generalization is always going to be "Yes, some are, but no, some others are not."

Well it just amazing that they just release the news about the new content, yet the first page or most current has a long list of thread insulting BioWare and EA? I am happy thay they are doing something.I was upset too but they made up for it. It isn't like Bioware isn't ignoring the fans?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

GlassElephant wrote...

I generally take a noncombative neutral stance in forums, but I kind of agree with the OP. I am happy that the Extended Cut DLC will add closure and reflect our choices. I am not going to bash the thing because I haven't seen it yet. I am sure BioWare has been made aware of their false advertising regarding the "different endings to reflect our choices", so they are going to fix it for free.

They aren't fixing anything, they are just adding more space magic, it's nothing more then a few more cutscene, but that isn't going to fix neutering Shepard or the player and it isn't a "new" ending, they aren't fixing the **** ending they are simply explaing why it is ****.

[Jackal7713]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

Replace "fans" with "customers". We're not groupies, we're paying them money. We have the right to make demands or they'll be thrown to the wayside and lost like all the other failed companies throughout time. Period.

But guys, EA is too big to fail! Oh..wait...

I only hope EA dies off soon.

[Phyzzix]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I'm unhappy with a product. The people producing the product aren't doing me a favor by trying to fix my complains, they're doing themselves a favor by attempting to convince me to keep paying them for things they make later.

Right, that free content that they didn't have to work on is such a burden on the wallet.

Yeah.... I don't think you know how necessary it was if they wanted to sell DLC later.

[Giantdeathrobot]

-Registered today

-Uses hyperboles and shaky analogies

-Says evil fans bash Bioware while bashing said evil fans

Troll detected. Move along.

[Sesshaku]

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

[Duzaman7]

Don't worry OP, Bioware employees aren't going to starve. They've already been paid and been told,"A job well done on your last game." The point of forums is to express your opinion, not to set up 20 "Praise be unto Bioware, God of storytelling" threads. Bioware has stated again that they are listening to all feedback, including rage and anger along with praise. Every fan, Pro-ender or Retaker is influencing the Clarification DLC. Every "They shouldn't change this.." and "They should definitely change this.." thread, post, or comment is building together. Not everyone is going to be happy, but that's just what happens to communities. Eventually a issue comes up that is divisive.

[Helishorn]

Jackal7713 wrote...

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

Would you say people can call Bioware a bunch of lairs?

Naw..this happens all the time in a business that produces things. A person, usually a manager or a higher up, makes a staement, 'This product will have xyz feature' to the press. Then the same person comes back to the developers and says can we do this, to which the developers often say, 'Not in the time line or budget you have given us.'

Having worked in such an environment I see the words of, "The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice." as garbage unless the person is actually part of the developmental staff...which he was not.

Just for clarification here developmental staff in this instance refers to the people actually coding the product. These are the real people that in the end make go no go decisions by telling the overzealous bosses that the code will not support such changes in its current state but given more money and extra time they could totally do it.

[Justin2k]

Vlta wrote...

So shall you be joining Justin2k, Minty and Rockopopple at their table in the corner where you can bash everyone together?

Please scroll up and read the third post.

I think a lot of the behaviour from both sides, and including mine, has been immature.  That being said it has been a volatile environment.  I don't think threads like this do any good, including the ones I made, and I think it's best if people from both sides agree to disagree on certain issues.

By slating me, and yeah i deserve it for certain things in the past, you are not making yourself look any better than I was when I was slating you.

My change in attitude comes because people are really genuinely upset now.  As in the five stages of grief upset.  I cannot watch someone like that femmeshep person leave the forums and think that is a good thing.  I don't want to see nice ordinary fans upset.   So no, I won't be bashing everyone and I'd kindly ask if you can leave my name out of that kinda thing going forward.  Apologies for any offence caused before.  Many Thanks.

[Octopus_DK]

I hear you, complaining about free content is a bit weird. I make software so I definitely understand that you need to make money. This is the entertainment industry though so the software has no other purpose but to please the customer (well okay art argument aside). So really if people are not pleased they did not get a good product and should complain about it.

The problem is that expectations were poorly managed by BW. Some of the producers made promises they did not eventually keep. So they feel cheated and I'm pretty sure you would complain too in a situation where you forked over money for something that did not live up to expectations. The main problem is that the extended cut DLC stated that it will basically not change the ending and a lot of the people wanted it changed and not just explained. So again expectations.

Actually, this is the worst I've ever seen a forum get about a game. Ironically if the game itself had not been so good, the ending probably wouldn't have pissed off people so much.

[uDoh]

It would be nice if the threads on the forum could be kept to being about the Mass Effect game itself, instead of threads that attack/defend the fans, bioware, journalists. It's not constructive.

Modifié par uDoh, 07 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[Averdi]

Personally, I feel that ascribing various conspiracy theories concerning money to the DLC is silly.

I also feel that complaining that, from how Bioware has described it, the DLC will be completely inadequate to salvage the train wreck of a stock ending and therefore continuing to express dislike for said ending is completely appropriate.

[Pulletlamer]

Jackal7713 wrote...

I only hope EA dies off soon.

Sadly I think it's pretty safe to assume that's not gonna happen. It would really be beneficial for the gaming industry, though. :/

[Anduin The Grey]

Pulletlamer wrote...

I will answer you question with a question.

Is Bioware this awful?

Why are the fans to blame, when in fact it's Bioware the one who lied, failed to deliver and did things wrong?

We have all the rights to complain.

Agreed, to the right to complain, I hardly think posting a picture of a turd made in Paint is a legitimate complaint however, unfortunately many of posts and threads have the same quality of content as said picture, that's not a complaint, that's a collective tantrum.

[Kath]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

And your response is to attack those who think differently to yourself, bludgeon and bully your way through an unwinable solution you yourselves have created.

I'm sorry, at what point aren't we allowed to enjoy this and other games? It hasn't occured to you that there are those here who are genuinely miffed at the food fight which is going on and the kids that will refuse to clean up the mess they made afterwards?

Wait, what? Since when have I attacked anyone for thinking differently than myself? o_O
I was merely commenting on the hypocrisy of the topic, bashing people for bashing others. If OP can complain about this, why can't Bioware fans complain about Bioware?

I never said you couldn't enjoy the game, I myself enjoyed a lot of the game. The fact that you are calling the concern of most Bioware fans a "food fight" and referering to us as "kids" makes me think that you don't think we should be allowed to complain about anything, however. 

[sasusori]

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

thank you, thats my new sig

[Iwillbeback]

FreshRevenge wrote...

 Seriously all this bashing and still insulting BioWare has to draw a line? It is really pathetic that fans are attacking BioWare still? After the fact they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right by it by providing free content.

I look at this way, Bioware and any other game company needs to make money. They need to make money to pay their employees or have the fans think they are doing it for free? Most game designers and programmers have to buy food and pay for gas and pay the rent, mortgage etc. So the insults to BioWare and EA that they are looking just for the money is pretty much a understatement. If you haven't understood that concept than maybe you are just too young to play this game?

When you go to a restaurant and buy dinner, you don't think it's going to be free? When you go to the grocery store and buy food, You don't think they are going to let you walk out without paying for it, do you?

When you go to a car lot looking for a car, you don't think the owner is going to allow you to  drive off without paying for it?

Now I get that fans are upset by the ending and pretty much have stated the same plotsholes over and over aod over. BioWare heard and trying to solve it the way We get news that they are releasing a extended cut DLC and the resurgenous Pack, yet no seems to be statisfied?

Yet more insults saying that Bioware is just making maps so they can charge us the reinforcement packs, If you haven't notice, but the game forces you to play to unlock the extra content. You also have the choiice of spending money to unlock the content too.

Nothing is being force on anybody? So I just don't get how people are uptight about this?

Actually it would be nice to state how old you are because honestly some of the maturity levels on here haven't even left puberty!

BioWare are working on releasing us content. They heard us. They don't need to pull out a script or leak every little thing they are working on to improve the ending? They actually don't really have to bother doing anything? Nothing!

This post is so insanely dumbfounded it has lowered everyones IQ including Bioware's.

First of all everyone works and needs to earn money, Bioware is a video game company and the same applies to them.
Every one has the right to complain about a faulty product such as Mass effect 3.
Imagine if no one complained about Toyota cars and their faults when they had them.
Being a Video game company doesn't make them above that so stop being a brat who see's video game companies in some sort of childish awe.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 07 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[metawanderer]

To the OP. Not all of us are bitter at Bioware. I loved Mass Effect 3 and am excited about the extended cut. However even though I loved the game I respect people who do not like the ending and the retake movement that has been going on. People have the right to complain as long as it is in a respecful and orderly maner. In order for Bioware to gain the appreciation of those fans, they will have to work extremely hard on gaining their trust back. I believe they will, despite what others may say they are not a company runned by dummies. Throwing insults at others for expressing their opinions is never wise, especially since at the end of the day, ME 3 is a just software. Mind you, it is some really amazing software but it is still only software. Oh and speaking of which you asked my age at the end of your post, well here it is I am 26 years old. Thank you have a good day.

Modifié par metawanderer, 07 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Militarized wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

All of those things were said during interviews while the game was in the development process.  While the game is in development anything is subject to change.  You know, because it is in development.

False advertising would be if those things were placed in the commercials after the walking dead or in the banner ads on IGN.  Which they weren't.  Therefore, I hate to say it, but there was no false advertisement.

Actually they are, it says on the main webpage that your choices "drastically effect the ending" with "very different outcomes". 

So, you lose. 

Well the choices did affect the ending and there were a lot of different outcomes, for all your squadmates and charcters in the universe, maybe not for shepard but has there really been a significantly different outcome for shepard in any game?

No, He killed sovreign and saren no matter what in ME1, He fought a human reaper and went on the suicide mission in ME2 no matter what, and he fought in the battle for earth and activated the crucible to matter what in ME3. (obviously the worst of the three)

No games have extremely unique endings for shepard, what made people think ME3 would I do not know.  There were a lot of different outcomes for all the many storylines in ME3 that your choices affected so they are not lying.  What I am trying to say is false advertising would not hold up in court like a massive amount of people think it would.  If it would hold up in court, some wacky fan would already have a lawsuit.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 07 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[kalasaurus]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

I generally take a noncombative neutral stance in forums, but I kind of agree with the OP. I am happy that the Extended Cut DLC will add closure and reflect our choices. I am not going to bash the thing because I haven't seen it yet. I am sure BioWare has been made aware of their false advertising regarding the "different endings to reflect our choices", so they are going to fix it for free.

They aren't fixing anything, they are just adding more space magic, it's nothing more then a few more cutscene, but that isn't going to fix neutering Shepard or the player and it isn't a "new" ending, they aren't fixing the **** ending they are simply explaing why it is ****.

Sorry you feel that way.  You dont have to download it if you really think that will happen.

[LegendaryBlade]

Katherine wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

And your response is to attack those who think differently to yourself, bludgeon and bully your way through an unwinable solution you yourselves have created.

I'm sorry, at what point aren't we allowed to enjoy this and other games? It hasn't occured to you that there are those here who are genuinely miffed at the food fight which is going on and the kids that will refuse to clean up the mess they made afterwards?

Wait, what? Since when have I attacked anyone for thinking differently than myself? o_O
I was merely commenting on the hypocrisy of the topic, bashing people for bashing others. If OP can complain about this, why can't Bioware fans complain about Bioware?

I never said you couldn't enjoy the game, I myself enjoyed a lot of the game. The fact that you are calling the concern of most Bioware fans a "food fight" and referering to us as "kids" makes me think that you don't think we should be allowed to complain about anything, however. 

It's called a strawman, the post you're quoting built a persona of you(based off of your stance or position), then destroyed it. Making them look like they have the higher ground in an argument.