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[FreshRevenge]

Venturisection wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...
I look at this way, Bioware and any other game company needs to make money. They need to make money

You got it right and I think everyone is communicating to Bioware that they will be taking their money elsewhere and from the stats it looks like that is the majority. 

They're getting bashed because people are frustrated with their stone walling. They want explainations, Bioware protests they're listening and still they release a clarification it looks like people want a completely different ending but still they're not listening. The Frustration and the Insults are lightly to increase and Biowares income is likely to decrease. Sales of ME3 are already stagnating because of their lack of understanding. 

The real question is "Is Bioware this Ignorant?"

They just release that they are having a extended cut because they just don't listen to their fans?

[KMYash]

While I'll agree that people shouldn't go too far into the insult area of debate, I think fans/customers have the right to be upset with the product they spent money on.

And on the free extension dlc, that's great and all but by what BIOWARE has said about it, it is not listening to what the fans/customers have said.

Lastly, I've seen multiple people say that if if meant a great new ending dlc that fixed a lot of what was hated then they'd be willing to pay for it. Depending on what it entail I've also said that I'd pay for ending dlc if it was what the fans wanted. That's more money in BW/EA's pocket. Sure that means they would have to put much more effort into it but it would mean more money and some regained customer trust.

Game developers are unique in their ability to 'fix' a game post release. While you can change things in new edition and such in books and movies its just not the same. So customers of games SHOULD have the unique ability to ask for changes in the game. Except there seems to be this weird divide of customers that ask (and I'll admit sometimes they don't ask nicely) and those that try to rebuke the idea of asking for change.

To people that say that boycotting EA or Bioware is too much because only one team made it and that team doesn't make all the games, here is an analogy. Let's say you go to McDonald's and order a cheeseburger. It's terrible, you hate it and swear you'll never give another dollar to McDonald's to make cheeseburgers. No you go back the next day and get a McChicken. That dollar you spent on the mcchicken still goes to McDonald's. The company doesn't care which product you bought, just that you continue to buy their products. Sure you may see more ads for McChickens and the other popular items but you're not stopping that cheeseburger from being made. Boycott the entire company or your boycott is pointless.

[Trikormadenadon]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Militarized wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

savionen wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Get a ****ing grip. "False advertisement" is just clutching at straws at this point.

"There will be 16+ unique and greatly different endings."
"The end won't be like Lost or the Sopranos."
"The ending will not be an A, B, or C choice."
"The Rachni will have a huge part in ME3, not only in the course of the game, but the final battle against the Reapers."

...........Yeah, there's like 50 of those.

All of those things were said during interviews while the game was in the development process.  While the game is in development anything is subject to change.  You know, because it is in development.

False advertising would be if those things were placed in the commercials after the walking dead or in the banner ads on IGN.  Which they weren't.  Therefore, I hate to say it, but there was no false advertisement.

Actually they are, it says on the main webpage that your choices "drastically effect the ending" with "very different outcomes". 

So, you lose. 

Charming counter argument, there are so many outcomes with the Geth and Krogan alone that I am genuinely curious (and interested mind you) about how they are going to pull all this off in the Mass Effect Universe.

This sounds like you have not even finished ME3 yet. If so, finish the game, then you will understand.

[wintermaul55]

FreshRevenge wrote...

Senario wrote...

People are angry because they care, many of us are highly invested into the series and the ending is nothing short of nonsensical. Many are angry at Bioware because of their handling of the problem, constant PR speak for a month, followed by pre screened questions at PAX, numerous examples of false advertisement/lies, and an announcement for a "clarification" of their ending which most ppl agree didn't make any sense in the first place and won't make any sense if you try to explain it.

That and hiding behind a veil of "Artistic Integrity" Doesn't really fly with fans as Mass Effect is not a work of art, it is a commercial product meant to be sold FOR PROFIT. I understand the lines between "art" and "product" get blurry. But when a lot of money is involved? It is a Product.

You are free to disagree though, you can support Bioware and their future games and DLC if you strongly believe they are doing the right thing, I personally don't, and Free DLC that doesn't address concerns or even listen to the pages of input fans have made isn't the way to re earn my trust as a consumer.

Take a moment and think about other than your damn self for a moment? BioWare just spent 2 to 3 years making a game.

Within the first month they get people insulting them or saying the ending was bad or nonsensical or illogical. You don't think the people that put in the long hours and nights want to be bash and insulted? That is where the fans become selfish and cruel! They need time to collect the feed back, I honestly think a month is less time they should of gather feedback! So don't try to analyze a situation that you are not involved in. OH let's blame the PR or Bioware or EA.

Yet when you get comments like, oh the game sucks? The ending was BAD. That doesn't do anything for BioWare and don't you think it hurts the people behind the game or were you being too concern about yourself to consider that? It shows impatience!

I get it you are passionate, you wasted your life playing the game. No one forced you to sit on you ARSE and play for countless hours, You do that on your accord! So why bring that up into their faces. I am sure they appreciate it but they don't need to treat you special or serve you better than someone that spends a few hours playing it!

Acutally u know i deleted what i was typing your a hopeless indivual who cant stand another persons point of veiw...

[Kawamura]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I'm unhappy with a product. The people producing the product aren't doing me a favor by trying to fix my complains, they're doing themselves a favor by attempting to convince me to keep paying them for things they make later.

Right, that free content that they didn't have to work on is such a burden on the wallet.

I'm sorry if I was unclear. 

The free content is a way of them trying to convince me to buy things they make later than the free content. 

[Vasparian]

I love how all the OP's points are all invalidated by actual facts. Nice try.Were you trying to troll?

[Dartack]

egnit wrote...

I'm still in the wait and see holding pattern. I can't be upset with DLC I haven't played yet!

your not going to play it, its all cinematic if i understand it right

[I am KROGAN]

FreshRevenge wrote...

Senario wrote...

People are angry because they care, many of us are highly invested into the series and the ending is nothing short of nonsensical. Many are angry at Bioware because of their handling of the problem, constant PR speak for a month, followed by pre screened questions at PAX, numerous examples of false advertisement/lies, and an announcement for a "clarification" of their ending which most ppl agree didn't make any sense in the first place and won't make any sense if you try to explain it.

That and hiding behind a veil of "Artistic Integrity" Doesn't really fly with fans as Mass Effect is not a work of art, it is a commercial product meant to be sold FOR PROFIT. I understand the lines between "art" and "product" get blurry. But when a lot of money is involved? It is a Product.

You are free to disagree though, you can support Bioware and their future games and DLC if you strongly believe they are doing the right thing, I personally don't, and Free DLC that doesn't address concerns or even listen to the pages of input fans have made isn't the way to re earn my trust as a consumer.

Take a moment and think about other than your damn self for a moment? BioWare just spent 2 to 3 years making a game.

Within the first month they get people insulting them or saying the ending was bad or nonsensical or illogical. You don't think the people that put in the long hours and nights want to be bash and insulted? That is where the fans become selfish and cruel! They need time to collect the feed back, I honestly think a month is less time they should of gather feedback! So don't try to analyze a situation that you are not involved in. OH let's blame the PR or Bioware or EA.

Yet when you get comments like, oh the game sucks? The ending was BAD. That doesn't do anything for BioWare and don't you think it hurts the people behind the game or were you being too concern about yourself to consider that? It shows impatience!

I get it you are passionate, you wasted your life playing the game. No one forced you to sit on you ARSE and play for countless hours, You do that on your accord! So why bring that up into their faces. I am sure they appreciate it but they don't need to treat you special or serve you better than someone that spends a few hours playing it!

They made a PRODUCT, people aren't happy with it, they are in a business where there is a lot of criticism.  They haven't experienced it up to this point because there hasn't been anything to complain about.  As the saying goes: "If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen."

I'll grant you that some people [read trolls] are acting like immature brats, and if those are the people your post is directed towards, then by post is somewhat invalidated. 

That being said, there are people who are posting constructive criticism mixed in with anger and frustration.  Those people have a legitimate gripe.

[sistersafetypin]

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

It's the CIRRRRCLE of LIIIIIFE!!

[DnVill]

Everytime someone wastes 5 years of my life I tend to get upset.

[Trikormadenadon]

FreshRevenge wrote...

Venturisection wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...
I look at this way, Bioware and any other game company needs to make money. They need to make money

You got it right and I think everyone is communicating to Bioware that they will be taking their money elsewhere and from the stats it looks like that is the majority. 

They're getting bashed because people are frustrated with their stone walling. They want explainations, Bioware protests they're listening and still they release a clarification it looks like people want a completely different ending but still they're not listening. The Frustration and the Insults are lightly to increase and Biowares income is likely to decrease. Sales of ME3 are already stagnating because of their lack of understanding. 

The real question is "Is Bioware this Ignorant?"

They just release that they are having a extended cut because they just don't listen to their fans?

Exactly. Most people wanted more different endings. Not just explanations of the current crappy endings. Thus, BioWare was not listening.

[Rogue Unit]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I'm unhappy with a product. The people producing the product aren't doing me a favor by trying to fix my complains, they're doing themselves a favor by attempting to convince me to keep paying them for things they make later.

Right, that free content that they didn't have to work on is such a burden on the wallet.

That free content is basically just damage control and an attempt to regain potential DLC customers.

[liquiddemon]

Obama said he would fix the economy.

Said he would bring the troops home.

Do something constructive and go bash the president for lieing.

[Justin2k]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


There are free to play games, and they are played by millions every day on facebook and things.

Like Mafia Wars, Farmville.

The thing about them is, they make their money a) through advertising and from selling in game things.

You get a limited amount of time/action in them per day.  You can have more, but thats when you have to start paying.  Want that deckchair that costs 300,00 credits?  Well you can do your farming for 3 months, or you can pay a few dollars and buy credits for real cash.

Like you say, it's business models.  Casuals can enjoy for free, but people that are more into it end up spending more money on farmville than they would buying ME3.

I'm sorry, I got confused between the start of your argument and the end, there are free to play games but people that are more into it end up spending more money on them?

And Mafia Wars, didn't their makers set out to make as much money from FB users any way they could. Made their millions, paid their fine and then just carried on? If you prefer that business model better why don't you support it more?

Not arguing   Nor defending the model.  Actually backing your argument that there are different business models.  Essentially Mafia Wars is free to play.  But it makes its money from non-convential means. 

The days of buying things in a shop for $60 are soon coming to an end imo.  The games industry as a whole seem to be more about micro transactions.

[Trikormadenadon]

liquiddemon wrote...

Obama said he would fix the economy.

Said he would bring the troops home.

Do something constructive and go bash the president for lieing.

Don't assume everyone who is upset with BioWare lives in the USA.

[LegendaryBlade]

FreshRevenge wrote...

Venturisection wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...
I look at this way, Bioware and any other game company needs to make money. They need to make money

You got it right and I think everyone is communicating to Bioware that they will be taking their money elsewhere and from the stats it looks like that is the majority. 

They're getting bashed because people are frustrated with their stone walling. They want explainations, Bioware protests they're listening and still they release a clarification it looks like people want a completely different ending but still they're not listening. The Frustration and the Insults are lightly to increase and Biowares income is likely to decrease. Sales of ME3 are already stagnating because of their lack of understanding. 

The real question is "Is Bioware this Ignorant?"

They just release that they are having a extended cut because they just don't listen to their fans?

Exactly, because an extended cut isn't what we wanted. We aren't mad because we didn't 'get it', we're mad because it's just straight up poorly written. We want new or alternative endings, not sprinkles on crap.

[liquiddemon]

Im sure your president is a liar too.

[TheDasterdly]

Yes, most are not that awful, but some are. And they're the loudest.

[Mixorz]

This really doesn't cost BW a thing if you think about it. If this is cut content they simply didnt know fans wanted, then it already exists. Also, yeah we are getting the MP DLC free, but it's not like they haven't made money off micro transactions with Spectre packs, and I'm willing to bet you'll still have to unlock the characters and weapons via one of the packs.

Modifié par Mixorz, 07 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[FreshRevenge]

Rogue Unit wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I'm unhappy with a product. The people producing the product aren't doing me a favor by trying to fix my complains, they're doing themselves a favor by attempting to convince me to keep paying them for things they make later.

really


Right, that free content that they didn't have to work on is such a burden on the wallet.

That free content is basically just damage control and an attempt to regain potential DLC customers.

really

I get it that you are unhappy about the product. Than why go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it?


It has been a full 30 days before they release any information about the ending. The problem is people want a NOW NOW NOW  response from BioWare. 30 days is not LONG!

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 07 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[AlexPorto111]

Yes,they are.

[Anduin The Grey]

Katherine wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

And your response is to attack those who think differently to yourself, bludgeon and bully your way through an unwinable solution you yourselves have created.

I'm sorry, at what point aren't we allowed to enjoy this and other games? It hasn't occured to you that there are those here who are genuinely miffed at the food fight which is going on and the kids that will refuse to clean up the mess they made afterwards?

Wait, what? Since when have I attacked anyone for thinking differently than myself? o_O
I was merely commenting on the hypocrisy of the topic, bashing people for bashing others. If OP can complain about this, why can't Bioware fans complain about Bioware?

I never said you couldn't enjoy the game, I myself enjoyed a lot of the game. The fact that you are calling the concern of most Bioware fans a "food fight" and referering to us as "kids" makes me think that you don't think we should be allowed to complain about anything, however. 

So it's ok to post thread after thread of, drivel quite frankly and when those that actually like the game defend it they are automatically laughed at and belittled?

Think like us or don't bother thinking at all, schoolyard tactics, something bullies just do just a little bit better, or maybe they're just the spokesman to hide behind when someone stands up to them, they are also just another victim when they end up on their arse.

And please, let me reassure you when I believe in children being the greatest force for good in humanity, an 80 year old can have a childish food fight however, which is not bad in itself, the refusal to clear their own mess up after themselves is however.

What's worse, is when the childish bring their food fight to your house and leave you to clear it up. I have no idea how old anyone here is and to imply I have some prophetic powers to determine how old each poster is, or a complete myopic ignorance to assume anyone I don't like is a young spoilt brat is not only an insult but another example of a suffering reason.

If anyone posts something I don't understand or something I do not agree with, if I am curious enough, you can bet I will either ask for clarification or call them on it.

[Bantz]

if you go out to dinner and your meal is terrible they comp you an entire meal or do it over fresh. They don't just bring some free brocoli

[Rip504]

And after they make their Millions?
OP is a joke. As you finish the first paragraph you should have realized this.
OP lost all creditability...

[Anduin The Grey]

Justin2k wrote...

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


There are free to play games, and they are played by millions every day on facebook and things.

Like Mafia Wars, Farmville.

The thing about them is, they make their money a) through advertising and from selling in game things.

You get a limited amount of time/action in them per day.  You can have more, but thats when you have to start paying.  Want that deckchair that costs 300,00 credits?  Well you can do your farming for 3 months, or you can pay a few dollars and buy credits for real cash.

Like you say, it's business models.  Casuals can enjoy for free, but people that are more into it end up spending more money on farmville than they would buying ME3.

I'm sorry, I got confused between the start of your argument and the end, there are free to play games but people that are more into it end up spending more money on them?

And Mafia Wars, didn't their makers set out to make as much money from FB users any way they could. Made their millions, paid their fine and then just carried on? If you prefer that business model better why don't you support it more?

Not arguing   Nor defending the model.  Actually backing your argument that there are different business models.  Essentially Mafia Wars is free to play.  But it makes its money from non-convential means. 

The days of buying things in a shop for $60 are soon coming to an end imo.  The games industry as a whole seem to be more about micro transactions.

Rock is dead, vinyl is history and books will never take off, or wait, is that e-ink books, am getting confused as to what's in when it's out and what's out when it's in.