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[arthurhallam]

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

they deserve it. they've behaved like absolute idiots.  & they need to be called out on at every possible avenue!

[RedMike512]

"they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right..."

They heard the complaints maybe, but they're not providing what most fans want. We want the ending FIXED, not explained. Fixed means changed.

[sth128]

I wish the Reapers would come and destroy all fans and game companies. Then younger developers and more reasonable fan will be allowed to rise.

Though eventually someone might come and merge fans with EA and call it the best of both worlds...

[JudgeOverdose]

arthurhallam wrote...

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

they deserve it. they've behaved like absolute idiots.  & they need to be called out on at every possible avenue!

So in order to prove to everyone what big idiots they've been, the solution is to act like an idiot. Well played. 

[GreenDragon37]

So... we are awful fans for holding a company accountable for not giving their fans what they were promised?

[Anduin The Grey]

tomcplotts wrote...


"Asking questions" is fine: that's the basis of the upset fan contingent. So obviously if someone's doing the same in defense of the company, that's also fine and fits the spirit. But let's face it: this place has more than a few "good german" trolls whose primary gripe is the fact that people aren't sufficiently submissive in the presence of their betters. And they're the ones doing most of these threads.

But if you want respect for disagreeing, then show it to those you disagree with as well. If you do that, then I have no problem with it.

As for your devotion to individualism at the level of principle, that's certainly the American way ™.  It's also suicide when it comes to affecting the world around you.

Some ideas transcend age and DVD regions and I do tend to show a likewise respect for what is shown to me, as for social suicide, you will have problems remembering my user name tomorrow, the same goes for most posters, we are small and insignificant but the fact that good examples can continue to lead others into better directions for thousands of years if not hopefully more shows how powerful each of us are.

[VoodooDrackus]

KillerHappyFace wrote...

Problem is, Bioware has been bashing and insulting us as well, ever since release day. They still have yet to make an official statement without some backhanded comment at our expense. It's probably in self defense, but insulting the fans is making those fans unwilling to cut Bioware any more slack.

Sure, things could do with a few less insults, but the fans aren't the only party at fault here.

All in all, this whole thing has been remarkably civil, given the circumstances and the nature of internet movements.

Wow, you are completely reaching if you think that Bioware has been bashing you and insulting you. That says a whole lot about your character.
They have been nothing but civil towards their fans, and comments like the one you made just show that you are trying to imply that they did something when they didn't.

And you are completely deluding yourself if you think that the whole thing has been civil. All you have to do is drop into any of the many threads and see the same people constantly bashing and trolling anyone that doesn't agree with them or is pro-Bioware.

[InsaneAzrael]

FreshRevenge wrote...

 Seriously all this bashing and still insulting BioWare has to draw a line? It is really pathetic that fans are attacking BioWare still? After the fact they have heard the complaints from fans and want to make right by it by providing free content.

Hey OP,

If you knew that this content was part of the game, would you change your tune?
Would you still maintain it was free if you knew that the DLC was designed and created as part of the product that you paid money for? What if you learned that it was intentionally witheld from the customer?

The leak of a DLC content description on MP was released around the 16th. They called it "The Truth". It had in the description a 1:1 comparison of the new MP "Reurgence" Pack. That came true 100%.

It also included a very brief (quite vague) description of a SP DLC that would be released also. It revealed very little information about what would be contained in an "expansion" DLC.

Both DLC were officially announced within 2 days of each other. This is no coincidence. As far as it goes, the 'leak' is 100% true for the MP, and about 25% true for SP (limited to it being announced as is).

Both DLC were announced for free release. Both were stated as free release in the leak.

So the consumer base is now receiving the end of their game from the publisher over a month after they paid to receive it. Bioware hadn't been honest with you.

When you go to a restaurant and buy dinner, you don't think it's going to be free? When you go to the grocery store and buy food, You don't think they are going to let you walk out without paying for it, do you?

When you go to a car lot looking for a car, you don't think the owner is going to allow you to  drive off without paying for it?

Does a classy restaraunt normally charge you for your meal before you get to eat it - days later?
Do grocery stores take your money in store on a monday and say you can collect it on friday?
Do car lots normally get you to buy the car before the test drive?

Yet more insults saying that Bioware is just making maps so they can charge us the reinforcement packs, If you haven't notice, but the game forces you to play to unlock the extra content. You also have the choiice of spending money to unlock the content too.

Well, they are. The plan of release is indeed to encourage the MP for the sole means of getting as many player playing as possible. Then they can ensure they can get the micro-transaction dollar. As John Riccitello approves.

Nothing is being force on anybody? So I just don't get how people are uptight about this?

Actually it would be nice to state how old you are because honestly some of the maturity levels on here haven't even left puberty!

The objectives of these practices are indeed not being forced. That would just be suicide for the business. It is however bordering on Exploitation as unjust benefit. As much as people may react in an emotional state towards all forms of response here on the forum, in practice of business, this is a very serious problem.

I appreciate you are frustrated, but why did you have to go and undermine yourself with your final statement?

BioWare are working on releasing us content. They heard us. They don't need to pull out a script or leak every little thing they are working on to improve the ending? They actually don't really have to bother doing anything? Nothing!

If one can interpret the above leak to be true, and it has been made evident that it is (for MP at the very least) then Bioware did in fact have this in mind. Ask yourself, do they owe their customers honesty? I mean real true honesty? Without spin or manipulation?

They don't have to bother, no. Then again, if they didn't do anything, then Bioware would not exist. Or would only exist as a figment of imagination - because it would not be a developer. You cannot develop without revenue and you cannot get revenue without a consumer base. If you do develop and attempt to exploit or manipulate your consumer base - then don't complain when they vent frustration in any way shape or form. Particularily on the forums which you specifically provide for honest feedback.

Modifié par InsaneAzrael, 07 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[dbt-kenny]

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

it looking like it.
rule one never blame the customer.

Modifié par dbt-kenny, 07 avril 2012 - 09:01 .

[Kub666]

FreshRevenge wrote...
BioWare are working on releasing us content. They heard us. They don't need to pull out a script or leak every little thing they are working on to improve the ending? They actually don't really have to bother doing anything? Nothing!

Eh, what a terrible post. You call everybody whining kids, yet you sound like a 20-something entitled kid yourself. Going ad personam means "I don't have any valid arguments".

As for the quoted fragment - they have invested money in MP multitransactions system and want to milk it for another couple of years, and are afraid they can lose some of this income because people are irritated by the way they have been treated. Why should I buy stuff from EA when they treat me like an idiot and make promises they don't even intend to keep. I can take my money to Valve or Zenimax, thank you very much. They have to cater to their customers if they want to do business, as simple as that. And at this point these customers are still not satisfied. 

Customer is always right, end of story.

[chickencurd]

Wait...you just said he sounds "entitled" because he said Bioware doesn't really have to give us anything?
I seriously fail to see the logic flow there.

But it fits with many of the logic flaws I'm seeing repeated. A few examples:
1. "The fans". Many fans are happy with the ending as-is. Many more just wanted some explanations and closure. Extended Cut works for many fans. Nothing they could have done would please everyone, and someone would say "they didn't listen." Biggest thing here is - stop speaking for "the fans" - your opinion should not override all of the other opinions.
2. A video game is not a car. Sure, they are both products and cost money to develop and money to purchase. If ME3 crashed near the end and was unfinishable, you would have a defective product. An ending that you don't like does not equal a defective product.
3. A video game is not food. A messed up order at a restaurant is a messed up personal service. Video games are not personal sevices, they are a mass-marketed product. If you order a well-done steak and it is raw, they failed to fulfill your personal request and they should redo it. If you buy a bag of Oreos and on the last Oreo you decide you don't really like Oreos, it would be outrageous to expect that all future Oreos should be remade so they taste good to you. Instead, you should just stop buying Oreos.
4. "Lies" and "Promises" are being posted, usually with no real context. Links and context are important. None of these things were on the package I purchased at the store, or in any of the advertising I have seen. I may be missing something. Please fill me in.

And, just one more important note. Making video games is hard.

[Trentgamer]

I think when people use these posts about 'fans' they should replace the word 'fans' with 'customers'. It kind of changes the context..and well..it's more accurate. People forget..fans = customers. If customers aren't happy with a product, they complain. Period.

[danteliveson]

arthurhallam wrote...

Katherine wrote...

So your response to fans bashing Bioware is to bash Bioware fans. Nice.

they deserve it. they've behaved like absolute idiots.  & they need to be called out on at every possible avenue!

True.

[RACDB]

Given the ridiculous amount of pointless anger displayed here. Yes.

[Trentgamer]

Also, whenever someone makes a post bashing on fans, it just fans the fire and makes them more volatile. You are just as bad for causing drama with these posts. And, yes sure, the complainers posts outnumber any others, but these posts are no better..they are still complaining, about the complainers. You are just adding to the negativity of the forums. If you don't like what someone is saying or the title of a post, don't read it and ignore it. Instead, all the people who are happy with what Bioware is doing, post about that instead, then ignore the trolls who try to start flames in your posts.

"There is no argument if you refuse to argue." ~unknown

(irony that this post is arguing, oh well guess I'm a hypocrit too like almost everyone else who posts on these forums.)

Modifié par Trentgamer, 07 avril 2012 - 10:26 .

[XJ347]

FreshRevenge wrote...

When you go to a restaurant and buy dinner, you don't think it's going to be free?

When I order Lasanga from a resturant and it tastes good, but in the last bite i find a finger, you better believe I am going to complain and expect them to make things right.

You know what? Resurants understand that if they give the customer a refund and then give them another meal on the house they will make more money in the long run with a returning customer.

Bioware has pretty much said, the the finger is part of the meal, but since SO many people are upset about it, they will season it better. Polishing a turd still results in a turd.

The customer who complains about the finger in his food isn't aweful and neither are the Bioware fans (well ex-fans).

[DavidMW]

Anduin The Grey wrote...


As for not hurting their feelings? That's probably the most juvenile comment so far in this thread, words hurt, ask any parent, school child or victim of bullying. I'd be very surprised if the nonsense that has been paraded as sense in these forums hasn't hurt the feelings of anyone.

Words hurt individual people, not massive corperate companies, which is who I was talking about. Bioware doesnt need defending and we dont hurt their feelings by complaining about them. (or even bashing them)

But you somehow missed that so felt I needed to repeat myself.

[Humakt83]

Not only Bioware's. Fans in general tend to be awful.

[Combine911]

plz go

[Anduin The Grey]

DavidMW wrote...

Words hurt individual people, not massive corperate companies, which is who I was talking about. Bioware doesnt need defending and we dont hurt their feelings by complaining about them. (or even bashing them)

But you somehow missed that so felt I needed to repeat myself.

Because massive corporate companies don't require employees which Bioware isn't, EA is, I'd certainly agree with you there, but you do not get passionate fans without passionate game makers. The only people on the planet who get famous for selling 2 minutes work for millions are the people who sell 2 minutes for millions.

If you want to upset EA write it a strongly worded letter, or even a very strongly worded letter, whatever works for you, am making an educated guess that you won't, ever, if you want to upset fans who have loved what Bioware have done so far and the employees of Bioware that have worked, no doubt tirelessly for the last two years post your insults here, but even your insults are likely to be overshadowed and drowned out by a flood of insults and pictures of glittery poop amongst other things.

If I had worked hard for 2 years even for a mega corporation, I'd be a little upset at having those two years of being compared to a qucikly drawn turd in MS Paint, I may have simplified that argument somewhat but when it comes down to it, nobody enjoys being told they are crap at their job, might as well say you fail at life.

[Nobrandminda]

 Bioware fans are usually perfectly nice people.

But that ending... 

[Carlthestrange]

No, we just don't like it when a massive company with the resources to make a decent ending, gives us a half assed plothole ridden mess and calls that an ending.

[sergio71785]

It's what happen whens you betray a passionate fan. 

[Berty213]

RedMike512 wrote...

We want the ending FIXED, not explained. Fixed means changed.

Thats never going to happen, just be happy that current endings are at least being explained