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[wesr]

Did they even have a clue what the franchise was about in the first place?

[UrgentArchengel]

The reaper invasion, I don't think is a theme; a plot point, on the other hand, it is.

[Legendaryred]

pistolols wrote...

Personally i think ME2 messed everyone up made everyone think it was all about the characters which was never my take at all and in fact i found ME2 to be rather tedious dealing with all these characters personal problems that i didn't even care about.

I always knew the heart of this was a conflict of man vs machine. And i loved the way the end tied everything together in the form of an AI behind it all... it was pretty mind blowing to behonest.

Sorry bout you are wrong.

[Ragebourne]

pistolols wrote...

Personally i think ME2 messed everyone up made everyone think it was all about the characters which was never my take at all and in fact i found ME2 to be rather tedious dealing with all these characters personal problems that i didn't even care about.

I always knew the heart of this was a conflict of man vs machine. And i loved the way the end tied everything together in the form of an AI behind it all... it was pretty mind blowing to behonest.

This. cept the ending still kinda blowed.

[hippanda]

Zuka999 wrote...

The main theme of the three games is the impending invasion of the Reapers. Where the hell did this organic vs. synthetic crap come from? In case we all forgot, the Reapers weren't even AIs. Its literally spelled out for us in ME2 by Legion:

"Transcended flesh. Billions of organic minds uploaded and conjoined in immortal machine bodies. Each a nation."

Sorry, that doesn't sound like the main conflict of the universe is one between organics and synthetics. That sounds like the main conflict of the universe is one between organics and.. more organics.

Every AI that is a source of conflict in the series has redeeming features. You can bring peace to the Geth. EDI becomes a good friend and starts a romance with Joker. All of this stuff is happening.. and its supposed to be about fighting them?

Sorry, no. This series was about an existential threat and unifying diverse peoples in the face of hopelessness. They dropped the ball.

Bingo.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

MGS4=Must Go S#*t 4 giggles? sounds about right, anyone?

[Eduadinho]

Slash1667 wrote...

Eduadinho wrote...

Man vs Machine was pretty big but the real theme and what makes the ending is the theme of sacrifice.
Spoilers

Grunt can sacrifice himself, Mordin, Legion, Thane, the Primarchs son. So at the very end the choice is do you sacrifice yourself or do you sacrifice a sentient AI race and EDI.

Unity is a massive theme but sacrifices must be made when it comes down to it.

If the choice was sacrifice Shepard OR a sentient race, then that would have been fine. Problem is you wind up sacrificing yourself in ALL endings AND screwing everyone over at the same time. Oh and btw you still sacrifice the sentient synthetics after sacrificing Shepard. Sacrifice as the theme for the ending doesn't fly.

Um you do realise in the Destory ending Shepard can survive right? And in the other two endings i believe out of all synthetics only the Reapers are controlled in the control ending and in the synthesis ending I believe everyone/thing still has free will.

[Slash1667]

Eduadinho wrote...

Slash1667 wrote...

Eduadinho wrote...

Man vs Machine was pretty big but the real theme and what makes the ending is the theme of sacrifice.
Spoilers

Grunt can sacrifice himself, Mordin, Legion, Thane, the Primarchs son. So at the very end the choice is do you sacrifice yourself or do you sacrifice a sentient AI race and EDI.

Unity is a massive theme but sacrifices must be made when it comes down to it.

If the choice was sacrifice Shepard OR a sentient race, then that would have been fine. Problem is you wind up sacrificing yourself in ALL endings AND screwing everyone over at the same time. Oh and btw you still sacrifice the sentient synthetics after sacrificing Shepard. Sacrifice as the theme for the ending doesn't fly.

Um you do realise in the Destory ending Shepard can survive right? And in the other two endings i believe out of all synthetics only the Reapers are controlled in the control ending and in the synthesis ending I believe everyone/thing still has free will.

Yes Shepard can survive provided you have an iOS device or play MP (which I can't due to being on a campus network).  Control and Synthesis are non-issues because Control doesn't end the cycle it just delays it. Synthesis is worse than control because instead of wiping out the Reapers, Geth and EDI you remake everyone into something they aren't. Remove 2 sentient races or remove them all by makeing them into something they aren't. No matter which way you go you're sacrificing yourself AND at least 1 other friendly race.

[Eduadinho]

I'm pretty sure the control ending is meant to stop the Reaper threat forever. So for that one you sacrifice Shepard so that everyone else can live. And while you are changing the other races in Synthesis ending you are not sacrificing them.

[The Charnel Expanse]

bump for more speculation

[bpzrn]

If Hudson and Walters were the ones who did this endign then EA should fire them for the long term revenue loss EA will have there are thousands of customers who will nto by DLC now, many who wont by any mroe BW games and some who wont buy EA games due to the poorly written endigns

The endings stink period, there are 100s of questions and the fact they
need to explain it means we the fans are just too dumb to understand.
The issue is they let Hudson and Wlaters do this ending in a vacuum and
its bad. Why the bigger BW team won’t tell them they messed up now we
will fix it to save what they can of the fan base is an interesting
decision.

Its costing them customers and money and it ultimately
will put ME3 in a bad light long term something they could avoid by
swallowing their pride and telling Hudson and Walters to take a hike we
will clean up your disaster.

[Evil Minion]

I think "Man v. Machine" was a red herring.

The "conflict," at its most basic level, was about races attempting to dominate and control other races. Whether they were machines or not was never the point.

[Bleachrude]

Dartack wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...
So Tali's single loyalty is all the proof we need? I'm sorry but the one consistent theme from ME1 has always been beating the odds through unity. The end of ME3 is about destroying diversity

this

I tend to disagree about ME1 being about unity...In ME1, you could play a "human first, aliens suck" Shepard quite easily...

I really don't see the "beatingt he odds through unity"...Remember, in ME1, at endgame, you could legitimately only have two aliens and both are plot protected...

Remember, recruiting Garrus was optional AND you could shoot Wrex...

EDIT: Keep in mind that it was ME2 that made the Reapers bio-mechanical. At the end of ME1, the Reapers were simply considered malovent synthetic intelligences.

(It's weird that people NOW have no problem with the reveal of what the Reaper actually is...I distinctly remember many a thread bemoaning this idea)

Modifié par Bleachrude, 08 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[goose2989]

pistolols wrote...

Personally i think ME2 messed everyone up made everyone think it was all about the characters which was never my take at all and in fact i found ME2 to be rather tedious dealing with all these characters personal problems that i didn't even care about.

I always knew the heart of this was a conflict of man vs machine. And i loved the way the end tied everything together in the form of an AI behind it all... it was pretty mind blowing to behonest.

I'm glad you can enjoy it,  I really am. The way so many of us have felt over the past month has been nothing short of terrible, and I don't wish it on anyone else that loved this series

[Changer the Elder]

As said elsewhere, the people you are so keen on firing also gave you the content of the rest of the 99% you usually love, or at least accept well. Are you aware that the ending was created by the same team of people? And that at least Mac Walters, being the lead writer, is overseeing the entire story? Including the 99% most of you say is good? Reality check, anyone?