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[Aiyie]

sky99cap wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

It depends on how close you are with them and who is around. If it's just you two and you are close then why not?

we pulled into lamad, italy once... i was getting hammered at some local bar and our skipper came by.  had a few shots with us (very cool of him, since normally enlisted and officers do NOT mingle... hell, surface ships had specific hallways on the ship where enlisted guys weren't even allowed to walk without permission).

still wasn't stupid enough to ever give him the impression i thought we were on the same level.  that sort of thing comes back to haunt you.

In broad daylight it comes back to haunt you!!

even at night it comes back to haunt you.  the duty officer or duty chief have a nasty habit of showing up right in the middle of the dog watch.

[avatar0]

Obligatory military service in Taiwan.
However, I applied for and was accepted into the Alternative Military Service (civil service) program, so it was not "military" military.
Still, no one in the program would dare address a superior officer in such a manner. Not during basic military training. Not even during civil service duties.

The closest I came to it was on my last day of service. As I signed off, I wrote down "soft-hearted 'tsundere' sweetheart" in a thank-you note to a superior. In my defense, she was a little like an older sister to me by that time.

But Seriously, even just reflecting on my "not so military" military experience, I was completely shocked by Vega's calling Shepard "loco." Just how romanticized does Bioware make the military out to be?

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[SimKoning]

I think Lola is a female name of Spanish origin, it's short for Dolores which means "sorrows".

[Daennikus]

As long as it's not "Papi" or worse. "******!"

[Orthodox Infidel]

sky99cap wrote...

Would you have called your CO "Loco" or "Lola"? 

To their face?

I was never in the military, but a bigger mystery to me is how James can walk around Headquarters a muscle shirt, while everyone else appears to be fully uniformed. I've never seen members of the military walk around like that in a setting where they wouldn't be working out or doing some other physical task, and it doesn't look like anyone else there is doing PT. I mean, I haven't visted Washington DC in more than 10 years, but I'm pretty sure when I drove by the Pentagon everybody had a complete uniform on.

[Eli Parker]

Aiyie wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

It depends on how close you are with them and who is around. If it's just you two and you are close then why not?

we pulled into lamad, italy once... i was getting hammered at some local bar and our skipper came by.  had a few shots with us (very cool of him, since normally enlisted and officers do NOT mingle... hell, surface ships had specific hallways on the ship where enlisted guys weren't even allowed to walk without permission).

still wasn't stupid enough to ever give him the impression i thought we were on the same level.  that sort of thing comes back to haunt you.

What I had was alot of higher ups that had a high ego, and anybody below them were dirt (there were a few ppl I liked, but that was far and inbetween).

[Legion is Skynet]

No way. The closest I come is calling them "Boss", and even that's in very informal field environments. And it's still pushing it. Then again, I never told my superior officer that I had a minute to talk, so long as they were willing to fight me for the privilege.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

At least with Star Trek they go out of their way to say that Starfleet isn't really like the military. Or they did in the beginning; they've been steadily militarizing Starfleet since Roddenberry died.

[MaskofSkin]

I'm in, and actually a CO. None of my Soldiers call me nicknames, at least not my face, lol. Nor would I call my Commander anything but sir.

When Vega tried that, I told him to STFU.

[jstme]

Who knows, maybe Alliance military does not work the same way. Soldiers are required to call their superiors by nicknames to keep their real name secret.
Anyway, this is added for character flavour in science fiction game. "Vega = rebel without a cause" type of thing.

[Legion is Skynet]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

At least with Star Trek they go out of their way to say that Starfleet isn't really like the military. Or they did in the beginning; they've been steadily militarizing Starfleet since Roddenberry died.

Yeah, but I don't think Star Fleet has an enlisted force AT ALL. They take every one of their Senior Officers on the away missions and leave some Ensign captaining the ship. In terms of "military authenticity", most fiction doesn't get it right, but Mass Effect is (I think) a bit more accurate than Star Trek. And that's... that's really saying something.

[Ck213]

Suraxis wrote...

I think what irked me, in a really miniscule kind of way anyway, was that you couldn't tell Ash (or Kaiden) to just shut the hell up. It's your show and they're your subordinates, and I found it aggravating when I had to stop every few minutes to play to their ignorance. I picked to reprimand Vega when he called my femshep lola. To answer your question though, no, I would never call an officer a pet name to their face. "Sir," or "Ma'am," suffices and is professional. Though, it is something akin to the end of the world, so I suppose formalities get chucked out the window for stuff like that.

I did like that I could subtlely tell Kaiden he wasn't wanted. I did have one less crew member, but he irked me enough and I didn't miss him.

[sky99cap]

jstme wrote...

Who knows, maybe Alliance military does not work the same way. Soldiers are required to call their superiors by nicknames to keep their real name secret.
Anyway, this is added for character flavour in science fiction game. "Vega = rebel without a cause" type of thing.

You mean like not saluting officers in the field, for fear snipers would pick them off?

Ya, I can see that, "Hey, Loco where did you want me to go again?"   That would fool those crazy husks.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

sky99cap wrote...

Would you have called your CO "Loco" or "Lola"? 

To their face?

Well, this was quite jarring for me too, so I told him "It's Commander". And never heard this Loco for the rest of the game, at least he's good in following orders.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

At least with Star Trek they go out of their way to say that Starfleet isn't really like the military. Or they did in the beginning; they've been steadily militarizing Starfleet since Roddenberry died.

Yeah, but I don't think Star Fleet has an enlisted force AT ALL. They take every one of their Senior Officers on the away missions and leave some Ensign captaining the ship. In terms of "military authenticity", most fiction doesn't get it right, but Mass Effect is (I think) a bit more accurate than Star Trek. And that's... that's really saying something.

They didn't, until halfway through TNG, where they retconned the transporter operator into a senior NCO, who later went on to be a major character in DS9. And in DS9, Starfleet started doing a lot more "war" stuff and became a lot more military. I think part of it was because Ron Moore was somehow associated with the Navy in some capacity (I've read different things about how exactly) and when he became more influential, he tried to sneak a lot more Navy stuff in to make that aspect of the show less ridiculous.

[sky99cap]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Well, this was quite jarring for me too, so I told him "It's Commander". And never heard this Loco for the rest of the game, at least he's good in following orders.

Weren't you afraid he's just go and do pull ups in the corner?

[dahellraider]

Calling my Co Loco HEavy risk, but i can assure you if i did that there would be no prize.

[Pulletlamer]

I have never served in the military but I would never be stupid enough to call my superior by that name.

Unless I was a masochist and wanted to get punished or something.

[Bantz]

in public no, but just him and me chilling yes

[Aiyie]

Eli Parker wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

It depends on how close you are with them and who is around. If it's just you two and you are close then why not?

we pulled into lamad, italy once... i was getting hammered at some local bar and our skipper came by.  had a few shots with us (very cool of him, since normally enlisted and officers do NOT mingle... hell, surface ships had specific hallways on the ship where enlisted guys weren't even allowed to walk without permission).

still wasn't stupid enough to ever give him the impression i thought we were on the same level.  that sort of thing comes back to haunt you.

What I had was alot of higher ups that had a high ego, and anybody below them were dirt (there were a few ppl I liked, but that was far and inbetween).

we had a few of them, usually recent annapolis grads, or ironically enough, former enlisted guys.

the first batch usually learned whats what quickly enough (both my skippers were fairly tough on baby-faced officers and would put them in their place pretty quick)... the second group though.  well, it usually took them royally boning things up for them to figure out that just because they didn't wear a blue shirt anymore, they weren't gods among men.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

sky99cap wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Well, this was quite jarring for me too, so I told him "It's Commander". And never heard this Loco for the rest of the game, at least he's good in following orders.

Weren't you afraid he's just go and do pull ups in the corner?

Nah, I just kicked his ass in the sparring match.
"Don't push your luck, Vega. With age comes wisdom... and rank." 

[Legion is Skynet]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

At least with Star Trek they go out of their way to say that Starfleet isn't really like the military. Or they did in the beginning; they've been steadily militarizing Starfleet since Roddenberry died.

Yeah, but I don't think Star Fleet has an enlisted force AT ALL. They take every one of their Senior Officers on the away missions and leave some Ensign captaining the ship. In terms of "military authenticity", most fiction doesn't get it right, but Mass Effect is (I think) a bit more accurate than Star Trek. And that's... that's really saying something.

They didn't, until halfway through TNG, where they retconned the transporter operator into a senior NCO, who later went on to be a major character in DS9. And in DS9, Starfleet started doing a lot more "war" stuff and became a lot more military. I think part of it was because Ron Moore was somehow associated with the Navy in some capacity (I've read different things about how exactly) and when he became more influential, he tried to sneak a lot more Navy stuff in to make that aspect of the show less ridiculous.

I don't really mind, as I don't watch stuff like that to get authenticity (it's not Band of Brothers or anything). In fact, I was quite amused when the Captain in the new Star Trek movie made a damned cadet the First Officer, and then STILL sent him on a dangerous mission.

"Sir, there are other... well, anybody else, really. Literally ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SHIP outranks suspended cadet Kirk here. Do we, I mean, do we just not care about chain of command anymore, or something? Did I miss a brief? Also, how do we not have Space Marines to deal with these combat missions? We're in the future, how are Space Marines not a thing?"

[Aiyie]

MaskofSkin wrote...

I'm in, and actually a CO. None of my Soldiers call me nicknames, at least not my face, lol. Nor would I call my Commander anything but sir.

When Vega tried that, I told him to STFU.

honestly, i can't blame ya.

when i was in, being just a bitter and disillusioned enlisted guy, i took offense to it.

now that ive been out for awhile and find myself in a position of authority and responsibility in the corporate world, i wish it were possible for civilians to maintain that same sort of strict heirarchy at work.

its called fraternization in the service... in the civilian world its referred to as "never hire your friend."

[Aiyie]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

At least with Star Trek they go out of their way to say that Starfleet isn't really like the military. Or they did in the beginning; they've been steadily militarizing Starfleet since Roddenberry died.

Yeah, but I don't think Star Fleet has an enlisted force AT ALL. They take every one of their Senior Officers on the away missions and leave some Ensign captaining the ship. In terms of "military authenticity", most fiction doesn't get it right, but Mass Effect is (I think) a bit more accurate than Star Trek. And that's... that's really saying something.

the only sc-fi that comes even remotely close to portraying a believable military was the BSG remake they did a few years ago.

and even then alot of it was pretty out there.  course it was a little understandable considering the setting and all.

[GBJ13]

Dridengx wrote...

Artking3 wrote...

This is a sci fi military. It has much to do with real military as Star Trek or Star Wars.

but to these people Mass Effect is real though

If's perfectly reasonable to discuss these things.  The degree of realism in a story matters. It's why most war movies have consultants from the military.